Harddal vs Grassovic vs Clayderer

ohiostate124

Professional
Federer on clay.

It’s crazy but it’s almost like he is underrated on the surface at this point. 5 total finals only losing against Nadal. He’d be one of the clay goats. Well, he already is but he’d have more tro-hies to cement it.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Federer on clay.

It’s crazy but it’s almost like he is underrated on the surface at this point. 5 total finals only losing against Nadal. He’d be one of the clay goats. Well, he already is but he’d have more tro-hies to cement it.
At most, he would be a 3 time RG champion.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
First of all, this thread is wrong to begin with.

Nadal's weakest surface is grass, not HC, as evidenced by him not being relevant on grass after age 25, while still doing well on HC.

Djokovic's weakest surface is probably clay, not grass. You're not fooling anyone saying a guy with 3 Wimb titles has grass as his weakest surface.
;)
They don't call him an all-time-great for no reason.
But he's better on clay than grass, he's consistently won Rome every 2 or 3 years for a while now, he is much closer to Nadal on clay than basically anyone else, etc.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
;)
They don't call him an all-time-great for no reason.
But he's better on clay than grass, he's consistently won Rome every 2 or 3 years for a while now, he is much closer to Nadal on clay than basically anyone else, etc.
In BO5 it as lopsided as against anyone else ;)
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant "prime" Federer would have never lost to Wawrinka at RG the way prime Djokovic lost to Wawrinka at RG.
Maybe, but Stan in that form is scary. Nobody is safe from Stan when he goes super saiyan, and I'm not 100% sure Federer is an exception. After all, Wawrinka beat him in Monte-Carlo twice. Clay is his favorite surface and Federer's worst, so if there is one Slam where Stan could have usurped Federer in his prime, it's RG.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Maybe, but Stan in that form is scary. Nobody is safe from Stan when he goes super saiyan, and I'm not 100% sure Federer is an exception. After all, Wawrinka beat him in Monte-Carlo twice. Clay is his favorite surface and Federer's worst, so if there is one Slam where Stan could have usurped Federer in his prime, it's RG.

Maybe. But it's just a completely different match-up to the Djokovic-Wawrinka one.
 

Plamen1234

Hall of Fame
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant "prime" Federer would have never lost to Wawrinka at RG the way prime Djokovic lost to Wawrinka at RG.

This was peak Novak actually.I cant believe he lost to Stan.In 2015 he demolished Nadal and it looked like nobody will stop him but at the final he got outplayed
 

Plamen1234

Hall of Fame
Federer on clay.

It’s crazy but it’s almost like he is underrated on the surface at this point. 5 total finals only losing against Nadal. He’d be one of the clay goats. Well, he already is but he’d have more tro-hies to cement it.

Yeah.he would have been champions 3 more times - 2006,2007 and 2011.I dont believe he would have 2008 final even if it wasnt against Nadal
 
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Yeah okay, so one? To a goating Stan? That's what makes him a bad clay courter?
Stan wouldn't have been "GOATing" had either of the other two been in the final instead.

At least Nadal and Fed didn't drop GS finals to mugs like Murray and Stan like some noob I know. XD
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
This was peak Novak actually.I cant believe he lost to Stan.In 2015 he demolished Nadal and it looked like nobody will stop him but at the final he got outplayed

Yeah, but that Nadal defeat was deceiving because Nadal was at half-mast that year. Meanwhile, I have to be honest, that 2015 final between Wawrinka and Djokovic was a joy to watch. :D But seriously, Wawrinka was brilliant in that match.
 
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Maybe, but Stan in that form is scary. Nobody is safe from Stan when he goes super saiyan, and I'm not 100% sure Federer is an exception. After all, Wawrinka beat him in Monte-Carlo twice. Clay is his favorite surface and Federer's worst, so if there is one Slam where Stan could have usurped Federer in his prime, it's RG.
 
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Legitimately though, Federer is the best of the Big 3 to thwart "on fire" lesser opposition.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Legitimately though, Federer is the best of the Big 3 to thwart "on fire" lesser opposition.
Yes, he always has a way of repelling big hitters. He can place shots perfectly so big guys like Berdych, Tsonga, DelPo, Stan, the guys who usually go "on fire" in a tournament once in a while, can't get them. But when he faces someone who does get every shot back, he starts to fall apart. I mentioned no names and you know who I'm talking about.
 
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Yes, he always has a way of repelling big hitters. He can place shots perfectly so big guys like Berdych, Tsonga, DelPo, Stan, the guys who usually go "on fire" in a tournament once in a while, can't get them. But when he faces someone who does get every shot back, he starts to fall apart. I mentioned no names and you know who I'm talking about.
But if you're just a counterpuncher like a Murray, a Chang or a Hewitt you're not going to beat Fed with that game in majors when he's firing.

You need a mix of the two, some firepower and the ability to retrieve.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
But if you're just a counterpuncher like a Murray, a Chang or a Hewitt you're not going to beat Fed with that game in majors when he's firing.

You need a mix of the two, some firepower and the ability to retrieve.
That's what Nadal and Djokovic have. And that's why one has utterly dominated him and the other has always given him trouble
 

RS

Bionic Poster
1. Nadal if he brings his 2010/2012-2013 HC form
2. Djokovic if he brings his 2010-2015 Wimbledon form
3. Federer of he brings his 2005-2007/2009/2011 form on clay
 
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