Has admiration for Federer killed extreme grips in one handed backhands?

Before Federer, when I was a kid, Kuerten was considered to have the best one handed backhand, and the best one handed backhands as strong groundstrokes that could hit winners consistently also belonged to others of what was called back then "clay court specialists", people like Corretja, Gaudio, Costa etc.
Justine Henin also had a typical clay courter one handed backhand.
They all had extreme grips to deal with topspin and its high balls.


It was rare for players that were better on fast surfaces to have good strong one handed backhands, the big exception being Korda in the 90s and Tommy Haas in the 2000s.

But now after Federer, most good one handed backhands, like Wawrinka, Dimitrov, Thiem, Tsitsipas, seem to be eastern instead of the extreme grip of claycourters.
I think the only top 100 players with extreme one handed backhands must be Gasquet and Kohlschrieber, who are both ancient for tennis players.
It's almost as if admiration for the backhand of Federer has made people want to hit it like him, even though the big kryptonite of Federer is Nadal's crosscourt topspin forehand to his backhand, and hitting high balls like that one is easier with an extrreme grip.
 

2nd Serve Ace

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Well lets state the obvious, Rafa just basically ended 1hbh dreams of winning on clay, so the impetus to have a western grip greatly dwindled as a result.
 
I have a pretty extreme 1hBH grip, much like Kuerten. High balls are still somewhat of a problem. Sure, I can hit them back with quite a bit of topspin but getting any real power is hard. But...on a knee-high to waist-high ball I can absolutely rip it back. My 1hBH down the line is actually pretty awesome when I'm playing well.
 

Arak

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I don’t think it’s the case. Federer’s grip is mild eastern, while most other players use eastern or extreme eastern (Wawrinka). Gasquet if I remember correctly uses semi western. I don’t see any correlation to be honest.
 
So I was wrong and I should be blaming Nadal instead for killing the clay courters with one handed backhands like Vilas, Muster, Kuerten etc, instead of blaming Federer
He made it obvious one handers are suboptimal for clay
 

2nd Serve Ace

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So I was wrong and I should be blaming Nadal instead for killing the clay courters with one handed backhands like Vilas, Muster, Kuerten etc, instead of blaming Federer
He made it obvious one handers are suboptimal for clay
Yes and yes. You were completely wrong.
 

DjokoLand

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From my years of playing tennis and playing on different surfaces it made me realise that peak Fed would still lose to Nadal on one leg at RG. Same reason if Nadal had of won the RG SF this year would of trashed Tsitsipas.
Top spin on Clay to a 1HBH is the hardest thing to deal with in tennis it requires the shot to be hit near perfect every time which is near impossible.

I never thought Fed was arrogant as a person but I always thought he felt like if he played his best he would beat Nadal and that really was his problem. I think it came from winning everything playing the way he wanted. Fed should of been working on solutions too Nadal early on as he could beat everyone else. But overall being 1 handed on the BH might of made him look more pleasing on the eye I bet during that time he wished he had a double handed BH
 

Ray Mercer

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From my years of playing tennis and playing on different surfaces it made me realise that peak Fed would still lose to Nadal on one leg at RG. Same reason if Nadal had of won the RG SF this year would of trashed Tsitsipas.
Top spin on Clay to a 1HBH is the hardest thing to deal with in tennis it requires the shot to be hit near perfect every time which is near impossible.

I never thought Fed was arrogant as a person but I always thought he felt like if he played his best he would beat Nadal and that really was his problem. I think it came from winning everything playing the way he wanted. Fed should of been working on solutions too Nadal early on as he could beat everyone else. But overall being 1 handed on the BH might of made him look more pleasing on the eye I bet during that time he wished he had a double handed BH
I believe a prime Federer takes down an old Nadal at RG. Federer played him close in 2007 and 2011 when Nadal was at the peak of his powers. If you get a 2007 RG Federer against an old declined slow Nadal he can win. Nadal’s defence along with his forehand was a large reasoning Federer had trouble. Nadal is nowhere near the defender he used to be.
 

EllieK

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From my years of playing tennis and playing on different surfaces it made me realise that peak Fed would still lose to Nadal on one leg at RG. Same reason if Nadal had of won the RG SF this year would of trashed Tsitsipas.
Top spin on Clay to a 1HBH is the hardest thing to deal with in tennis it requires the shot to be hit near perfect every time which is near impossible.

I never thought Fed was arrogant as a person but I always thought he felt like if he played his best he would beat Nadal and that really was his problem. I think it came from winning everything playing the way he wanted. Fed should of been working on solutions too Nadal early on as he could beat everyone else. But overall being 1 handed on the BH might of made him look more pleasing on the eye I bet during that time he wished he had a double handed BH
He actually had his kids learn two handed.
 

DjokoLand

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I believe a prime Federer takes down an old Nadal at RG. Federer played him close in 2007 and 2011 when Nadal was at the peak of his powers. If you get a 2007 RG Federer against an old declined slow Nadal he can win. Nadal’s defence along with his forehand was a large reasoning Federer had trouble. Nadal is nowhere near the defender he used to be.
Still don’t think it happens for me. Federer has had some decent performances at RG against Nadal he has also had some beat downs. Yes Nadal defense is worse but even then he still wins. Nadal in the SF this year would beat Fed. Peak Fed be far the better player but the top spin and mental advantage of being RG and Federer never winning would still get the job done.

As I said it’s a good excuse for Peak Fed losing to Baby Nadal though I feel he should of worked on a solution quicker
 

DjokoLand

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He actually had his kids learn two handed.
It’s the way to go. It’s actually surprising harder to hit while learning as your bad hand is on the racquet but as you get better you find that the two handed gives you more control and consistency
 

Ray Mercer

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Still don’t think it happens for me. Federer has had some decent performances at RG against Nadal he has also had some beat downs. Yes Nadal defense is worse but even then he still wins. Nadal in the SF this year would beat Fed. Peak Fed be far the better player but the top spin and mental advantage of being RG and Federer never winning would still get the job done.

As I said it’s a good excuse for Peak Fed losing to Baby Nadal though I feel he should of worked on a solution quicker
There is no solution to Nadal’s lefty topspin to the one hander and Nadal’s retrieiving abilities. Nadal at his best at RG is unbeatable. An 2006-2010 Nadal would stomp the current version of Nadal that Djokovic beat. Nadal moves like an old man now.
 

EllieK

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It’s the way to go. It’s actually surprising harder to hit while learning as your bad hand is on the racquet but as you get better you find that the two handed gives you more control and consistency
I tried it. I do better single handed though. My coach finally gave in.
 

King No1e

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Before Federer, when I was a kid, Kuerten was considered to have the best one handed backhand, and the best one handed backhands as strong groundstrokes that could hit winners consistently also belonged to others of what was called back then "clay court specialists", people like Corretja, Gaudio, Costa etc.
Justine Henin also had a typical clay courter one handed backhand.
They all had extreme grips to deal with topspin and its high balls.


It was rare for players that were better on fast surfaces to have good strong one handed backhands, the big exception being Korda in the 90s and Tommy Haas in the 2000s.

But now after Federer, most good one handed backhands, like Wawrinka, Dimitrov, Thiem, Tsitsipas, seem to be eastern instead of the extreme grip of claycourters.
I think the only top 100 players with extreme one handed backhands must be Gasquet and Kohlschrieber, who are both ancient for tennis players.
It's almost as if admiration for the backhand of Federer has made people want to hit it like him, even though the big kryptonite of Federer is Nadal's crosscourt topspin forehand to his backhand, and hitting high balls like that one is easier with an extrreme grip.
Thiem and Wawrinka have fairly extreme grips. Certainly more than Fed and Tsitsipas, at any rate.
 

DjokoLand

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There is no solution to Nadal’s lefty topspin to the one hander and Nadal’s retrieiving abilities. Nadal at his best at RG is unbeatable. An 2006-2010 Nadal would stomp the current version of Nadal that Djokovic beat. Nadal moves like an old man now.
There might not be a 100% solution but he could of worked on something and obviously Nadal was miles better then.
 

WhiskeyEE

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I use the extreme BH grip (3/4 western forehand grip) just because it's the same as my forehand grip.

I've always wondered which pros are the same.

I legit use either 3/4 western or continental for every shot.
 

DjokoLand

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I tried it. I do better single handed though. My coach finally gave in.
That’s the reason people choose one handed as when they start out it’s easier to hit and feels more comfortable but as you start to get better it becomes apparent that a 2 handed BH is the way too go
 
From my years of playing tennis and playing on different surfaces it made me realise that peak Fed would still lose to Nadal on one leg at RG. Same reason if Nadal had of won the RG SF this year would of trashed Tsitsipas.
Top spin on Clay to a 1HBH is the hardest thing to deal with in tennis it requires the shot to be hit near perfect every time which is near impossible.

I never thought Fed was arrogant as a person but I always thought he felt like if he played his best he would beat Nadal and that really was his problem. I think it came from winning everything playing the way he wanted. Fed should of been working on solutions too Nadal early on as he could beat everyone else. But overall being 1 handed on the BH might of made him look more pleasing on the eye I bet during that time he wished he had a double handed BH
Peak Fed blew 2 championship points at Rome 2006 against Peak Rafa on clay. Who knows, Fed might have won a few more RGs if he had converted them...then again, this is nothing new for Fed.

Something to ponder.
 

DjokoLand

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Peak Fed blew 2 championship points at Rome 2006 against Peak Rafa on clay. Who knows, Fed might have won a few more RGs if he had converted them...then again, this is nothing new for Fed.

Something to ponder.
Yeah but it’s like when Djokovic used to beat Nadal at Rome then get easily beaten at RG.
The top spin is the main reason it’s also Nadal’s mentality that he can’t lose at RG plus as you said Fed has had his moments in tight situations
 

sredna42

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I’m pretty sure Wawrinka uses extreme eastern, sometimes SW.
Its a subject thats been done to death here in the past. He uses eastern, with maybe sone variation on the heelpad, thars seems to be what everythread concluded from memory. And iirc on low fast shots sometimes uses near continental to hit through it. Its his huge torso uncoil that makes his bh unique, not his grip.
 
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