Has any player the size of Wawrinka been this effective?

[TheRed]

Hahah you guys are just so far off base it's not even funny. I have zero idea where you are getting your information, but there aren't that many guys out there maintaining under 10% body fat. **** body builders that are peaking for a competition hit 5%, and they can't even maintain that for more than a day or two. Call me crazy, but you thinking you got an accurate body fat % in high school is hilarious. Much more likely you stepped on a digital scale or something.

The guys walking around under 10% body fat you can see every single muscle in their stomach. Wawrinka you can only see a suggestion of abs, I doubt he's much under 15%. Don't get me wrong he's obviously super fit, but none of these guys outside maybe Monfils or Novak have exceptionally low body fat for an athlete.

You're right. 5% is extremely low. But 10% is not for an elite athlete. 15% is just your average office worker who eats right and exercises 3 times a week. Stan is closer to 10%

 

[Noveson]

Your "average" stat was of D1 tennis players, not a top 5 tennis player who has been there consistently the last few years and has won 3 grandslams. D1 tennis players don't play for a living. Yes, they are more serious than you or I but no, they, on average, are not as fit as pros. Plus, the stat you're citing says 12% to 16%? So you're claiming a pro like Wawrinka is near the top of that average? for D1 athletes? That's laughable.
You also misunderstand the requirements of a sport like football vs tennis. Football is not an endurance sport (yes, it requires lots of endurance but it's primarily a sport that focuses on explosiveness in short spurts). Football players need a lot of muscle for that explosiveness and have low BF% but you seem to imply tennis players are lesser athletes. Tennis is more of an endurance sport, hence having lots of large high-twitch muscles is not totally helpful. But in either case, it's not advantageous to lug around lots of useless weight in the form of fat.
What do you think was Lance Armstrong's body fat % at his peak? He "muscles [didn't] have muscles" but he was probably at 5-6%.

You're wrongfully associating body fat with performance. Neither Fed or Warwinka have exceptionally low bodyfat, that doesn't mean they aren't in absolutely phenomenal shape.

It's pretty simple, what do you think is there that is making neither of them have a defined six pack? Obviously we know they have very strong core muscles, so why aren't they clearly defined??? I'm totally with you Lance had super low bodyfat, I don't think it was 5%, but it was definitely at the very top end for an athlete, but he is a far cry from guys like Wawrinka and Federer.

 

[haqq777]

Having worked with a DEXA body scanner for my final year at grad school, let me assure you that Stan Wawrinka is not even close to sub 10%. Maybe near the 13-15% vicinity mark (which would be a guess too albeit a better one than sub 10%). If any of you think this underneath is less than 10% body fat, I do not know what to tell you besides maybe do more research.

 

[Noveson]

You're right. 5% is extremely low. But 10% is not for an elite athlete. 15% is just your average office worker who eats right and exercises 3 times a week. Stan is closer to 10%

Sure, I wouldn't be surprised if he was 13% or something, but like dr7 you're associating bodyfat with how good of an athlete you are. There's plenty of guys in absolutely crazy shape that have a little extra fat on them, and Wawrinka is one of them. Andy Murray is a guy with a similar build that is clearly a little bit leaner than Stan, I'd guess he was closer to that 10% mark, but maybe still not at it.

 

[dr7]

I played D1 Pac 12 tennis. Yes we had our % tested in a bodpod. I'm one of the skinniest dudes there is, have had a six pack basically my whole life and I was 10%. There was one guy on the team lower than me and he was 9%, and a bunch of guys over 15%.

You're welcome to attack my credibility I really enjoy it.

Ok, you have been tested. I have also been tested for 20 years, every year. In my practice we test bf %, oxygen consumption, etc. for elite athletes as well as the general public. Have used Calipers, Hydrostatic and DEX. This is done every day at our facility. Know a little bit about this.

 

[Noveson]

Ok, you have been tested. I have also been tested for 20 years, every year. In my practice we test bf %, oxygen consumption, etc. for elite athletes as well as the general public. Have used Calipers, Hydrostatic and DEX. This is done every day at our facility. Know a little bit about this.

Having worked with a DEXA body scanner for my final year at grad school, let me assure you that Stan Wawrinka is not even close to 10%. Maybe near the 13-15% vicinity mark (which would be a guess too albeit a better one than 10%). If any of you think this underneath is less than 10% body fat, I do not know what to tell you besides maybe do more research.

Sorry but having seen you post before, plus my own experiences, plus @haqqani1777 's post, PLUS everything I've read about bodyfat% suggests you're probably doing some serious fabricating.

 

[dr7]

Sorry but having seen you post before, plus my own experiences, plus @haqqani1777 's post, PLUS everything I've read about bodyfat% suggests you're probably doing some serious fabricating.

Hey that's ok, you are entitled to your own opinion. Your opinion is from "reading," my opinion is from "doing."

 

[haqq777]

@Noveson I seriously doubt he is a physician who has worked with DEXA (or maybe even a physician given his view on the subject). Anyone with a little experience with DEXA scanning, and who has scanned people, can easily tell you how a body under 10% BF looks like. In fact the machine actually provides full body blueprint with fat distribution details, bone density, lean body mass, tissue etc so he should be the among the first ones to negate the notion that Stan's body is under 10% BF if he has any experience on subject. Will leave it at that.

 

[Faris]

lol, i love Stan and he is fit no doubt but there is no chance Stan Wawinka is under 10%.... if you think that you have no clue what you're talking abt simple as that

 

[Deleted member 307496]

You are incorrect about Stan and 4% isn't normal, it's someone who is in terrific shape. Just sayin.

No offense but you don't even seem like you know what you're talking about.

 

[dr7]

No offense but you don't even seem like you know what you're talking about.

That's ok to have your own opinion on this topic, but all opinions aren't equal, people pay for mine.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

That's ok to have your own opinion on this topic, but all opinions aren't equal, people pay for mine.

Alrighty, I get paid for mine too. Besides working in a different field, I have a lot of knowledge on healthy eating, exercise, body-fat percentage, how to get lean, ect.

I've been into (and practiced) weight-lifting, body training, squats, push-ups, you name it since I was barely 14 years old. Since that time (which was quite some time ago) I've accrued more knowledge on this subject, from my own experience -- and the experience of others.

The points you're arguing outline your fault on this matter. I do believe what you say about your own body-fat percentage -- but I don't believe you have enough knowledge on this subject to inject it with such ferocity towards others who all share a common opinion which I, myself to be truthful.

By taking a look at Stan Wawrinka without his shirt on, one can easily make the assumption that he is not below 10% body-fat. It does not take a personal trainer or fitness instructor to see that.

And re: your point about athletes with higher than 10% body-fat not making it far in tennis, take a look at Andy Roddick. I doubt he was below 10%, and at times the guy was fairly big for a tennis player -- I believe he got to as high as maybe 15-20% at times and he was still a top-class tennis player.

 

[Faris]

That's ok to have your own opinion on this topic, but all opinions aren't equal, people pay for mine.

 

[Booger]

That's ok to have your own opinion on this topic, but all opinions aren't equal, people pay for mine.

If you want to get out of a hole, step 1 is to stop digging.

 

[lefty100]

Like Stan, John Newcombe was 6'0", pretty sturdily built, and relatively fast around the court. He also had a one-handed backhand, although he played a serve & volley game. Newk won 7 Majors (2 Australian Opens, 2 U.S. Opens, 3 Wimbledons), 5 in the Open Era, and reached #1. He also won the WCT finals and still has the record for most Major doubles titles. Here's footage of him winning the 1973 U.S. Open final over Kodes in 5 sets.

Great footage - thanks.

 

[dr7]

Alrighty, I get paid for mine too. Besides working in a different field, I have a lot of knowledge on healthy eating, exercise, body-fat percentage, how to get lean, ect.

I've been into (and practiced) weight-lifting, body training, squats, push-ups, you name it since I was barely 14 years old. Since that time (which was quite some time ago) I've accrued more knowledge on this subject, from my own experience -- and the experience of others.

The points you're arguing outline your fault on this matter. I do believe what you say about your own body-fat percentage -- but I don't believe you have enough knowledge on this subject to inject it with such ferocity towards others who all share a common opinion which I, myself to be truthful.

By taking a look at Stan Wawrinka without his shirt on, one can easily make the assumption that he is not below 10% body-fat. It does not take a personal trainer or fitness instructor to see that.

And re: your point about athletes with higher than 10% body-fat not making it far in tennis, take a look at Andy Roddick. I doubt he was below 10%, and at times the guy was fairly big for a tennis player -- I believe he got to as high as maybe 15-20% at times and he was still a top-class tennis player.

Sab, I have a practice. BF % testing is encompassed in the services and expertise we provide. I see it, do it, close up, real life, real people. Our data is valid, accurate and not skewed by a small sample size.

 

[FiReFTW]

Stan bellow 10% bodyfat? Are you people serious?

 

[Druss]

Wawrinka's upper body strength is where the power resides, the way he hits that backhand most people would injure their shoulder.

Sam Groth is a the biggest dude I've seen on a Tennis court, he looks like Aussie Rules was a career avenue for him.

....or even Rugby Union. I remember last year or so, Groth was playing doubles with Hewitt, they did the chest bump (a la Bryan bros) and Hewitt almost fell backwards like he hit a truck or something.

 

[droliver]

Your "average" stat was of D1 tennis players, not a top 5 tennis player who has been there consistently the last few years and has won 3 grandslams. D1 tennis players don't play for a living. Yes, they are more serious than you or I but no, they, on average, are not as fit as pros. Plus, the stat you're citing says 12% to 16%? So you're claiming a pro like Wawrinka is near the top of that average? for D1 athletes? That's laughable.
You also misunderstand the requirements of a sport like football vs tennis. Football is not an endurance sport (yes, it requires lots of endurance but it's primarily a sport that focuses on explosiveness in short spurts). Football players need a lot of muscle for that explosiveness and have low BF% but you seem to imply tennis players are lesser athletes. Tennis is more of an endurance sport, hence having lots of large high-twitch muscles is not totally helpful. But in either case, it's not advantageous to lug around lots of useless weight in the form of fat.
What do you think was Lance Armstrong's body fat % at his peak? He "muscles [didn't] have muscles" but he was probably at 5-6%.

I will speak sloooowly so you understand this. Stan's not a college player, but he's 12-14 years older. Your body fat % creeps up with age pretty much across the board, athlete or not. That data from the NCAA gives you at least an idea of where a very high level player who trains several hours a day (as a D1 tennis player would) is likely going to be around. Stan may be aerobically fitter then most of those guys, but it's not really plausible he's going to be radically leaner then them. The point about comparing him to body fat data from the combine for the NFL skill guys is that it's a reputable source with a lot of data on guys who are smaller then the oversized positions in the game and arguably the best athletes on the planet. If those guys, who train and diet like crazy to get the BF% artificially low for the combine are still not cracking 10%, you've got rocks in your head to argue that Stan is.

The last few pictures up-thread of Stan at the beach should convincingly settle this issue.

 

[wsk429]

Wawrinka's upper body strength is where the power resides, the way he hits that backhand most people would injure their shoulder.

Sam Groth is a the biggest dude I've seen on a Tennis court, he looks like Aussie Rules was a career avenue for him.

You forget these dudes have very strong legs too. Upper body strength doesn't mean much if you got legs likes Isner. In fact, look at Isner.

 

[Shaolin]

You're right. 5% is extremely low. But 10% is not for an elite athlete. 15% is just your average office worker who eats right and exercises 3 times a week. Stan is closer to 10%

Way to ignore my post about David Nabandian (who played at wayyy more than 10% bf and defeated many of the world's best) which completely destroys your argument.

Here's another pic of him. Enjoy.

 

[JRAJ1988]

Was does a well partied Nalbandian look like Jeff Daniels?