Has Rafaello flattered to deceive on grass?

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Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
(Firstly, I realize that the semi-final is far from over and that Rafaello could still turn it around. This thread is not meant as a prediction.)

My query here is regarding Nadal's current level on grass and whether he's displaying peak grass level or has flattered us. There seems to be widespread opinions that Nadal is more or less back to playing peaky grass tennis. Gone are the Rosolizations and Brownifications of the recent years. Ahead of the Delpo match a widespread mantra sounded that 'Delpo is toast and will win 8 games tops.' I've heard it suggested that if he faced Fed this year, the latter would receive a drubbing.

In contrast to that view, one match preview of the Nadal–Delpo match pointed out that it would be the first time Nadal plays a top player at Wimbledon since he lost to Novak way back in 2011, and should therefore likely struggle. Which ended up being correct. And I think it's a point to be stressed: Rafaello has not been tested against players of a top caliber on grass for 7 years, that's a long time without a top-level measuring stick, so how much do we really know about where stands on grass? He's been cruising in the early rounds this year, but now when he's facing an inspired Delpo and resurgent but still slightly inconsistent Novak, it's life-and-death matches.

So there you have it. What say ye: is Nadal in world beating form or is his false grass dawn in the process of being exposed? I truly do not know based on what we have seen, although Djokovic may be starting to provide more puzzle pieces to the answer.

 

Fabresque

Professional
The balls are bouncing higher compared to previous years due to the hotter temperatures. Couple that with not drawing a big hitter who can take him out early and you have Rafa (for the most part) playing his clay court game and winning his 18th slam / 3rd Wimbledon.
Hold on there buddy, Rafa isn’t even through the semi final and he’s in massive trouble 2-1 down in sets. Before saying he won his 18th slam, wait until he actually wins it.
 

SQA333

Hall of Fame
Hold on there buddy, Rafa isn’t even through the semi final and he’s in massive trouble 2-1 down in sets. Before saying he won his 18th slam, wait until he actually wins it.
I wouldn't say massive trouble. I'd say he's in a better position than he was against Delpo when down 2-1 because he has the break in play.
 
Nadal is definitely playing more aggressive.
But he's not 'back'
He could win wimbledon this year and lose in the next year's first round.
As said countless times, Nadal is getting older, this isn't 2008.
He will probably keep winning Roland Garros and then he will have low time to recover.
Couple all of that and very difficult opponent in the first rounds and you might see him losing in the early rounds again.
I appreciate this matches more this way...
Because I know everytime I see them might be the last time.
 
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Deleted member 754093

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Calculated move to lose when he had no shot of winning the title during peak Djokovic years and only emerge again when the competition was CRAPOLA.

PETE would never avoid his pigeons like that
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
(Firstly, I realize that the semi-final is far from over and that Rafaello could still turn it around. This thread is not meant as a prediction.)

My query here is regarding Nadal's current level on grass and whether he's displaying peak grass level or has flattered us. There seems to be widespread opinions that Nadal is more or less back to playing peaky grass tennis. Gone are the Rosolizations and Brownifications of the recent years. Ahead of the Delpo match a widespread mantra sounded that 'Delpo is toast and will win 8 games tops.' I've heard it suggested that if he faced Fed this year, the latter would receive a drubbing.

In contrast to that view, one match preview of the Nadal–Delpo match pointed out that it would be the first time Nadal plays a top player at Wimbledon since he lost to Novak way back in 2011, and should therefore likely struggle. Which ended up being correct. And I think it's a point to be stressed: Rafaello has not been tested against players of a top caliber on grass for 7 years, that's a long time without a top-level measuring stick, so how much do we really know about where stands on grass? He's been cruising in the early rounds this year, but now when he's facing an inspired Delpo and resurgent but still slightly inconsistent Novak, it's life-and-death matches.

So there you have it. What say ye: is Nadal in world beating form or is his false grass dawn in the process of being exposed? I truly do not know based on what we have seen, although Djokovic may be starting to provide more puzzle pieces to the answer.

It's a good point, but I do think he's back. He got picked off last year by Muller and then Shapo in Rogers Cup indicating something wasn't quite right. I'd argue that Muller had match history with him that meant there match would be close. If you look at last year's draw and get him past Muller what might have happened? Does he take out Cilic, Muller, and then Fed in the final? Its hard to bet against him as he goes deeper at a slam.
 

MeatTornado

Legend
This year is simply confirming what many of us thought for years. If he could escape the 1st week without playing a big server, he could do serious damaged on the slower grass.

Sela, Kukushkin, de Minaur, and Vesely were perfect opponents for him. Absolutely no weapons to threaten on grass. He was quite fortunate to survive Delpo, but if he was truly playing his best grass court tennis, the match probably wouldn't have been that close.
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
If you look at last year's draw and get him past Muller what might have happened? Does he take out Cilic, Muller, and then Fed in the final? Its hard to bet against him as he goes deeper at a slam.
Nope.

Nothing indicates he was getting anywhere near Federer last year off clay.

After Federer's victory over him at AO, on slow IW and Miami courts he was Fed's pigeon.

He was lucky Fed was Backerer at the USO.

Many months later in Shanghai - with all kinds of time to regroup w his team, Grampererer ate him for breakfast and pooped him out before lunch.

It's a shame he didn't make the final last year.
 
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Meles

Bionic Poster
Nope.

Nothing indicates he was getting anywhere near Federer last year off clay.

After Federer's victory over him at AO, on slow IW and Miami courts he was Fed's pigeon.

He was lucky Fed was Backerer at the USO.

Many months later in Shanghai - with all kinds of time to regroup w his team, Grampererer ate him for breakfast and pooped him out before lunch.

It's a shame he didn't make the final last year.
So you've got Djoko winning Wimbledon?

Shanghai is ultra fast. Backerer will be back for US Open series and how will the excuserer set handle this?:confused:
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
So you've got Djoko winning Wimbledon?

Shanghai is ultra fast. Backerer will be back for US Open series and how will the excuserer set handle this?:confused:
Maybe Isner's success at Wimby and Miami will convince USTA to hire enough security to keep Suri off Ashe court in the lead up to play. That way they won't resurface and SLOOOOW the courts down so John can MATGA! Otherwise, the unthinkable could happen and The Nadal could defend a non-clay title.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Maybe Isner's success at Wimby and Miami will convince USTA to hire enough security to keep Suri off Ashe court in the lead up to play. That way they won't resurface and SLOOOOW the courts down so John can MATGA! Otherwise, the unthinkable could happen and The Nadal could defend a non-clay title.
Suresh in for some kind of t-shirt guy imitation?:D
 

D.Nalby12

Legend
Nadal played his best Tennis in 2014 and 2017 as well. But just a bit unlucky to face big servers early. This time he got a perfect draw with no threats in early rounds. And once he got deep, it was obvious it will take some special performance to take him out (as usual). Or he will win the whole thing.

So this run was nothing surprising to me. I always believed he has got one strong run left in him at Wimbledon.
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
So you've got Djoko winning Wimbledon?

Shanghai is ultra fast. Backerer will be back for US Open series and how will the excuserer set handle this?:confused:
I guess don't know if Anderson can pull off the miracle but I doubt it.

Do you think it will be Backerer at USO? Whatever Fed brings it won't be the same as last year unless something really clicks.

2017 was special.

I think Rafeal has plenty of chances w 2018 Fed. But, apart from Backerer, 2017 was a locked door on slow and fast courts off clay.

He won that USO crown because of Backerer.
 
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Federev

Hall of Fame
In 2017 and 2014 Nadal would gone toe to toe with Fedovic had he made that far to play them in second week imo.
Rafa couldn't do anythign against Fed on fast AND SLOW HC's last year. Do you really think he would have stuck with him on grass - Nad's worst surface and Fed's best?

This year I could see it (Obviously), but last year?

Mucho mass, no?
 
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