Has the returner ever won a point off a faster serve than 147mph?

Flint

Hall of Fame
HI, I've not been on here since the QF because I was at Silverstone for the 3 days watching the British Grand Prix, so I didn't see the semi's or final.

I had the final on record and have now seen Murrays victory (YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!)

Has there ever been a faster serve than 147mph where the returner won the point (double faults don't count)? That was incredible. Murray was making Raonic's serve look average.

Well I was very spoilt this weekend with British victory.
A british winner in GP2, Lewis Hamilton winning the British Grand Prix (for the 4th time!!), Andy Murray winning a 3rd slam and Heather Watson?!?!?!?!

For a long time after surgery it looked like he would never get another, this win was well deserved.
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
Ferrero blocked back a 149 MPH serve from Roddick in one of their encounters, and won the point. I'll try and find out what match. Thing is though, Andy was becoming so confident on return that he wasn't blocking the 140 mph + serves back, but hitting over them, or at least some of them. Amazing.
 

Surion

Hall of Fame
Ferrero blocked back a 149 MPH serve from Roddick in one of their encounters, and won the point. I'll try and find out what match. Thing is though, Andy was becoming so confident on return that he wasn't blocking the 140 mph + serves back, but hitting over them, or at least some of them. Amazing.
Really amazing.
He has to see where the ball goes and swing the racket at that spot in like no time.

Impressive stuff from him.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
Very likely that Nadal has done that a few times in the DC final against Roddick. Roddick was going over 240 regularly, Nadal was lightyears behind the baseline on what looked like the slowest clay the world had ever seen.

Just watched the first game serve game, Roddick slowest 2 serves in that game were 227 and 233. Fastest 246 (153mph), an that's just the first game. Insane stuff

It was a clay court though
 
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Incognito

Legend
Andy Murray is the greatest returner in the game in the last 15 years. It's amazing to see how he handles these big serves. I remember a match between him and a karlovic with a wtf look in his face. Andy made his serve look like Dementieva's or something. And if I'm not mistaken, it was in Cincy of all places. :D
 

metsman

G.O.A.T.
so when is this jerkfest because andy returned a 147 mph serve in the middle of the service box gonna stop? Impressive, but a lot of top returners could have done that, especially with a serve that was so poorly placed.
 

metsman

G.O.A.T.
Very likely that Nadal has done that a few times in the DC final against Roddick. Roddick was going over 240 regularly, Nadal was lightyears behind the baseline on what looked like the slowest clay the world had ever seen.

Just watched the first game serve game, Roddick slowest 2 serves in that game were 227 and 233. Fastest 246 (153mph), an that's just the first game. Insane stuff

It was a clay court though
DC gun readings are bs
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Federer hit a winner return off a 141 mph Raonic serve in the semifinals. That's arguably a tougher ask than getting one back in play and then the clearly better player off the ground winning the rally.
 

Fedex

Legend
Federer hit a winner return off a 141 mph Raonic serve in the semifinals. That's arguably a tougher ask than getting one back in play and then the clearly better player off the ground winning the rally.
Murray seems to do it more consistently off the big first serve than any other player though. How do you think he does this?
He can't have spider man reflexes so it's something in his head that's different,, the way he sets up and anticipates?
 

The_18th_Slam

Hall of Fame
Murray seems to do it more consistently off the big first serve than any other player though. How do you think he does this?
He can't have spider man reflexes so it's something in his head that's different,, the way he sets up and anticipates?
Federer and Murray have some of the best anticipation on tour. I think that's perhaps the most important factor in being able to return big serves. Djokovic is more about reflexes.
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
Murray seems to do it more consistently off the big first serve than any other player though. How do you think he does this?
He can't have spider man reflexes so it's something in his head that's different,, the way he sets up and anticipates?
Anticipation seems key here. Well, he knows Raonic's go to serve nowadays is the body serve, especially when facing important points. Reading patterns of play.
 

Mr.Lob

Legend
so when is this jerkfest because andy returned a 147 mph serve in the middle of the service box gonna stop? Impressive, but a lot of top returners could have done that, especially with a serve that was so poorly placed.
Don't know about any jerkfest, but that's the first thing I thought when I saw that serve. It was short and poorly placed.
 

NonP

Hall of Fame
Some of you either have a very short memory or haven't been following the game for long. Agassi used to do this routinely while taking the ball even earlier.

Also pace really doesn't matter much at this level once you go above 120 mph or so. For the pros spin, placement and disguise are harder to deal with than pure power.

Andy Murray is the greatest returner in the game in the last 15 years. It's amazing to see how he handles these big serves. I remember a match between him and a karlovic with a wtf look in his face. Andy made his serve look like Dementieva's or something. And if I'm not mistaken, it was in Cincy of all places. :D
Even as somebody who counts Novak as one of his all-time faves I've long maintained that Murray is the best returner of his generation. People are predictably if understandably going a little overboard now, but it's nice to see Ahn-dee being duly recognized. :D

DC gun readings are bs
They're not BS. If anything they're more accurate than traditional readings which track the ball in one dimension only or at most come from two radar guns. OTOH the DC sensors are backed by phase-array radar called RacquetRadar which allows them to measure ball speeds in three dimensions. That's how the DC radar guns tend to produce readings about 8-10 mph above the IBM guns used at the majors.

So a better way of saying it would be radar guns have never been standardized and we should be careful comparing ball/serve speeds from different events, let alone different eras, especially since the guns used to be placed near the net as opposed to behind the baseline as is the case now.
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
I think back in the day when Rusedski set the record he lost the point. It was so long ago I can't remember that well but it might've been 149.
 

metsman

G.O.A.T.
Don't know about any jerkfest, but that's the first thing I thought when I saw that serve. It was short and poorly placed.
I think we've had a couple of threads on it already and people acting like they have never seen anything like it before.

Regardless, what matters is the speed and height at which it gets to the return. Ball loses most of its speed after bounce so a 147 mph serve that bounces halfway in the service box and comes up right at the hitting zone is much easier to return than a 140 mph or even 135 mph serve better placed and that lands deeper in the box.
 

Flint

Hall of Fame
Some of you either have a very short memory or haven't been following the game for long. Agassi used to do this routinely while taking the ball even earlier.
I was a bit young for the Agassi days. I've been watching since 2012 and playing since 2013.
 

metsman

G.O.A.T.
really not sure about Murray being the best returner of his generation...he is better at handling the big servers than a Novak or Agassi, but Federer was probably better at his peak, and Novak and Agassi are better at punishing the more normal servers and that matters a lot more especially in this generation where most top players have more normal servers.

Regardless the difference should be evident whenever the big 4 play each other...and from these matches it to me is fairly obvious that Djokovic is the best all around returner of this generation. Sure Murray is better at dealing with the serve bots but it's not like Djokovic is losing those matches very often so it doesn't matter. And Djokovic to me seems better against the elite guys which matters a lot more because your return can make or break the match there.
 

metsman

G.O.A.T.
Roger blocked back this 147mph serve from Groth at the USO but not aggressively like Andy's return
that serve was a little better placed...andy's wasn't exactly an aggressive return either. He blocked it back with two hands, not 1. In the same match Federer hit a 142 mph serve, that was better placed, back for a clean winner.

Federer's return against Roddick in the 07 USO quarters is probably the most impressive return I have ever seen. It was 140, not the greatest placement but still it landed right on the service line so with that kind of depth it should have been near impossible to return. Federer puts it on the back of the baseline.
 

Incognito

Legend
Federer and Murray have some of the best anticipation on tour. I think that's perhaps the most important factor in being able to return big serves. Djokovic is more about reflexes.
Fed and Murray have both amazing anticipation and reflexes. The top 2 greatest returner of the biggest serves in this generation. Fed's record against Roddick is testament to that.
 

Praetorian

Professional
Blake used to actively go after winners on a 1st, often times with a FH that was faster than the serve itself. Does this count?

In all seriousness, anytime a pro blocks back a 130+ MPH serve, and wins, is just a result of luck. Doesn't mean they didn't win the point, just means luck was involved.
 

augustobt

Legend
Blake used to actively go after winners on a 1st, often times with a FH that was faster than the serve itself. Does this count?

In all seriousness, anytime a pro blocks back a 130+ MPH serve, and wins, is just a result of luck. Doesn't mean they didn't win the point, just means luck was involved.
Unfortunately I don't have the video in better quality, but this is just sick. Man, I miss a guy like him in the current tour.
 
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Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
Unfortunately I don't have the video in better quality, but this is just sick. Man, I miss a guy like him in the current tour.
I love this clip. Blake does that to another poor soul on youtube as well, some Frenchman I think..I can't remember the name.

Edit…victim mentioned was Jean Christoph Faurel.
 
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