Has the Speed series replaced the Radical in HEAD's contemporary line-up of racquets?

Dreamliner

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I mean just look at how TW presents the racquets to the general public: "The Speed family of racquets sits between the classic control of the Prestige line and the modern power of the Extreme series. These racquets are perfect for all-court players looking for a good balance between power and control along with an arm-friendly feel and easy access to spin."

My understanding is that the Radical line will not get the Graphene 360+ treatment, and will be the first line with HEAD's newest "technology" Honestly, with the emergence of the Gravity series and retooling of the Speed line as well as their better suitability to the modern game not to mention endorsements from top players on both tours, should the Radical line be scrapped or retired for good? I know it's blasphemous on my part to suggest this, but I do think these 3 lines kind of overlap each other. Curious on your thoughts.
 
vsbabolat

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Alexh22 said:
No. The speed is head s copy of the Wilson blade. Djokovic plays with a radical mp painted like a speed but the two lines are nothing similar. The graphene really ruined the radical and prestige lines and I also hope the old radical MPs can come back.
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No, when the Blade came out it was Wilson’s copy and was positioned to compete with the Radical You really get things backwards.
 
vsbabolat

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Dreamliner said:
I mean just look at how TW presents the racquets to the general public: "The Speed family of racquets sits between the classic control of the Prestige line and the modern power of the Extreme series. These racquets are perfect for all-court players looking for a good balance between power and control along with an arm-friendly feel and easy access to spin."

My understanding is that the Radical line will not get the Graphene 360+ treatment, and will be the first line with HEAD's newest "technology" Honestly, with the emergence of the Gravity series and retooling of the Speed line as well as their better suitability to the modern game not to mention endorsements from top players on both tours, should the Radical line be scrapped or retired for good? I know it's blasphemous on my part to suggest this, but I do think these 3 lines kind of overlap each other. Curious on your thoughts.
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I heard the Radical will get the 360+ tech.
 
3loudboys

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dr325i said:
I like the feel but could not get the overall setup to agree with me.
On the other hand, it is not about twaron (only) but the whole layup. PT2.0, Gravity Pro, speed 360+ are proof that modern layup Can work
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I've hit the Prestige MP with Graphene 360+ and thought that is was an improvement over previous graphene rackets. That said, it still had a too stiff a feel for me personally and I think that the increase in head size from 95 to 98 compensated for the materials in the frame and 'assisted' with the softening of the frame. All very subjective, if you like it there is no argument - it works for you. Isn't the graphene 360+ a change in the distribution of the weight of the racket rather than a fundamental change in material? Always been very curious as to how much graphene there is in a Head racket given its relatively high price.
 
3loudboys

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To be fair to Alexh22 I have heard that the Gravity line is similar to the old IG speed line rightly or wrongly. I've not compared the two directly but am curious as visibly the frames appear similar under the paint.

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The radical has definitely lost its place as the middle man of the extreme and prestige. Could it regain it? Possibly, it has tough competition with the gravity and speed, as OP mentioned. What I’m hoping is they do something with the tooling in the next update to make it more comfortable and stable.
 
dr325i

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3loudboys said:
To be fair to Alexh22 I have heard that the Gravity line is similar to the old IG speed line rightly or wrongly. I've not compared the two directly but am curious as visibly the frames appear similar under the paint.

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It is the same mold (except for the string channel), totally different layup.
Exactly as I pointed out -- The graphene Prestige MP is the same mold as the PT57A (with the string channel difference) but the layups are different...

No reason to be fair to the guy that is completely unfair and biased...
 
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vsbabolat said:
No, when the Blade came out it was Wilson’s copy and was positioned to compete with the Radical You really get things backwards.
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I think this has more to do with the number of lines they have than any understanding of the Radical. If you look at Babolat, which crush my arm, they have 3 lines with 3 distinct positions in the marketplace. Head has lines that are often too close in market position. The differences between the Prestige and Gravity are, not to me, a bit subtle. You could say the same of the Radical and Speed and Extreme and Instinct. They do this, I believe, to capture more players/sales. It's a different strategy. I would cut down on the lines, myself, but Head does well.
 
3loudboys

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dr325i said:
It is the same mold (except for the string channel), totally different layup.
Exactly as I pointed out -- The graphene Prestige MP is the same mold as the PT57A (with the string channel difference) but the layups are different...

No reason to be fair to the guy that is completely unfair and biased...
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Just being friendly.

I thought the IG Speed 18x20 looked similar but had different drill patterns, materials, weight and balance. Would be interesting to play them side by side.

Edit: Originally posted from my mobile - full of fat fingered typos.

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rjp1977

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jdx2112 said:
I think this has more to do with the number of lines they have than any understanding of the Radical. If you look at Babolat, which crush my arm, they have 3 lines with 3 distinct positions in the marketplace. Head has lines that are often too close in market position. The differences between the Prestige and Gravity are, not to me, a bit subtle. You could say the same of the Radical and Speed and Extreme and Instinct. They do this, I believe, to capture more players/sales. It's a different strategy. I would cut down on the lines, myself, but Head does well.
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I don't think that both Extreme and Instinct lines are needed (keep the Extreme, of course!). When Djokovic retires they could then drop the current Radical line (variable beam) re name the Speed to Radical and please a lot of people who want a more "traditional" Radical.
 
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rjp1977 said:
I don't think that both Extreme and Instinct lines are needed (keep the Extreme, of course!). When Djokovic retires they could then drop the current Radical line (variable beam) re name the Speed to Radical and please a lot of people who want a more "traditional" Radical.
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Right. It's a matter of rationalizing their product line. My guess is that they've been expanding their line to meet demands in the marketplace, ie following, instead of leading the marketplace with their products. Not a judgement, just an observation.

To me this should be the line:

Prestige - super old school classic player
Gravity - innovative model that integrates flex and spin window
Radical/Speed - within the line create a range
Extreme
 
dr325i

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Alexh22 said:
You are also correct as the gravity is softer version of the speed. This is what I say to my friends who are on the fence, safe yourself the trouble with the cracking graphene junk which is wrong mold plus wrong material. and just get the blade.
https://imgur.com/a/btRBzAq
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My first experience with Blade was exactly that -- broke right in the throat area.
That does not mean that something is wrong with the whole line of rackets.
Professional players use Graphene rackets and we have not seen any instances of that.

You are clueless and should be banned for repeatedly posting lies about the specific brand.
I hope they go after you!
 
Alexh22

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vsbabolat said:
No, when the Blade came out it was Wilson’s copy and was positioned to compete with the Radical You really get things backwards.
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No, I suggest you hold the speed/ gravity side by side with a retail blade 98. head made speed/gravity to counter against the blades but it is a failed attempt.
A few years later head totally terminated their own radical and prestige lines with graphene and new molds.
 
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Alexh22

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Instead of slandering me, why don’t you post a picture of your broken stick to backup your claim? Why not ? Because you are lying through your teeth. I posted a recent photo about a garbage head graphene radical broken neck/ throat during regular use. I have the evidence right in front of you yet you choose to trash talk as a way to defend head.
What Professionals? There are no top pros using retail head graphene on ATP or WTA. I guess you will make up anything to cover how bad head products are.
The perks you receive form head has made your arguments biased to the very core, you will ignore the facts, follow and attack me and spread lies for head.

dr325i said:
My first experience with Blade was exactly that -- broke right in the throat area.
That does not mean that something is wrong with the whole line of rackets.
Professional players use Graphene rackets and we have not seen any instances of that.

You are clueless and should be banned for repeatedly posting lies about the specific brand.
I hope they go after you!
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vsbabolat

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Alexh22 said:
No, I suggest you hold the speed/ gravity side by side with a retail blade 98. head made speed/gravity to counter against the blades but it is a failed attempt.
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No, the nBlade came out in 2006 and came out to compete with the HEAD Radical and try to take away sales from The HEAD Radical . You’re a very confused person that lets their obvious personal bias get in the way of simple facts.
 
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vsbabolat

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Alexh22 said:
Instead of slandering me, why don’t you post a picture of your broken stick to backup your claim? I posted a recent photo about a garbage head graphene radical broken neck/ throat during regular use. I have the evidence right in front of you yet you choose to trash talk as a way to defend head.
What Professionals? There are no top pros using retail head graphene on ATP or WTA. I guess you will make up anything to cover how bad head products are.
The perks you receive form head has made your arguments biased to the very core, you will ignore the facts, follow and attack me and spread lies for head.
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There are a lot of Pro’s that use the Graphene Radical. Again the only difference between the a Graphene Radical you can buy and the one given to the Pros is that the Pros racquets are made without the commercial weights in the handle area of the hairpin. This is done for the simple reason that it allows the Pro to customize their frames and then to match their frames. In no way does this effect the layup.
 
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dr325i

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Alexh22 said:
Instead of slandering me, why don’t you post a picture of your broken stick to backup your claim? I posted a recent photo about a garbage head graphene radical broken neck/ throat during regular use. I have the evidence right in front of you yet you choose to trash talk as a way to defend head.
What Professionals? There are no top pros using retail head graphene on ATP or WTA. I guess you will make up anything to cover how bad head products are.
The perks you receive form head has made your arguments biased to the very core, you will ignore the facts, follow and attack me and spread lies for head.
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I already told you: Hasse, Stephens, Zverev, Barty...are all examples of pros using the Graphene rackets.
Stop making a fool out of yourself
 
Alexh22

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dr325i said:
I already told you: Hasse, Stephens, Zverev, Barty...are all examples of pros using the Graphene rackets.
Stop making a fool out of yourself
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You are lying. Zv and Barty use old prostock non graphene speeds. Their sticks are painted in such way to make a sale. Djokovic also doesn’t use graphene, those honeycomb structure on his pt346 is only a layer of deco.
 
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dr325i

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Howard H said:
The Wilson Rep is sharing his wisdom again.
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Ah, he only wishes Wilson would even touch him with an ugly stick...
Companies with ethics do not care about people spitting on competition and lying about the "facts"
In 25 years of sales and marketing in very competitive world, I have never said a bad word about my competition but instead always emphasized the good I can offer...
 
Alexh22

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Howard H said:
The Wilson Rep is sharing his wisdom again.
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You do realize you lost a lot of fans when head introduced graphene lines with the new radical and prestige. I suggest you tell your friends at head: fans want to buy honest products not flashy paintjobs.
You have ancient radicals and prestige’s in house that you will never sell retail yet they are provided to pros at the highest level.
 
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dr325i

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Alexh22 said:
You do realize you lost a lot of fans when head introduced graphene lines with the new radical and prestige. I suggest you tell your friends at head: fans want to buy honest products not flashy paintjobs.
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And yet, Radical is Head's top selling line and top 3 selling line of all rackets Globally...
You are very business savvy 16-year-old Wilson fan boi
 
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jmnk

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vsbabolat said:
There are a lot of Pro’s that use the Graphene Radical. Again the only difference between the a Graphene Radical you can buy and the one given to the Pros is that the Pros racquets are made without the commercial weights in the handle area of the hairpin. This is done for the simple reason that it allows the Pro to customize their frames and then to match their frames. In no way does this effect the layup.
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hmm, I did not know that. Is that true for _any_ head racket or just the Graphene Radical line? (meaning the fact that the regular retail racket and the 'pros' racket is those commercial weights.)
 
BlueB

BlueB

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Head has too many lines...
In reality, no one needs more then 2 lines: thick beam, stiff and thin beam, soft. The rest is varying the head size, weight, SW, balance and string patterns, within the given lineup.

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