Have Murray and Wawrinka won their last Slams?

So?

  • Yep

    Votes: 37 52.9%

  • Nope, Murray will win more...

    Votes: 12 17.1%

  • Nope, Stan will win more...

    Votes: 10 14.3%

  • Nope, Murray and Stan will win more...

    Votes: 11 15.7%
  • Total voters
    70
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There are some poll options and you can select one option (though the vote can be changed).
 
Most likely yes. Murray's injury is really severe. And Stan just had a serious surgery.

I was genuinely feeling sorry for Murray this clay season.
 
The fields are **** weak, if they get back to form they have a very good chance of winning again. Especially Murray, who should be a favorite at Wimbledon if he gets there in top shape.

I do really hope both get back to good health.

It's the era of old farts (sorry @-NN- ), why can't Murrinka enjoy it too?
 
Mainad said:
Oh crikey, I wish someone would give me some hope! :(
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I first need to see him play next year.

At least Murray achieved everything he needed to achieve to be remembered.

If Murray does recover somehow, I can see him winning 1 more Wimb or AO. But not both.
 
mike danny said:
I first need to see him play next year.

At least Murray achieved everything he needed to achieve to be remembered.

If Murray does recover somehow, I can see him winning 1 more Wimb or AO. But not both.
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I feel as pessimistic about him as you do but am desperately hoping to be proved wrong but everyone I read about seems to be just as pessimistic about him as we do. It's depressing me no end.

I feel he is still too young to call it quits and has got at least a couple of years more good tennis in him. That's what he himself predicted earlier this year. But his twitter account and website have gone ominously silent lately with hardly any news of any kind being released at all. This is in marked contrast to previous seasons. It just doesn't feel right, the vibes are not good. To top it all, he and Lendl have split again leaving him coachless. It's nothing any Murray fan wishes to hear.

I should be looking forward eagerly to the new season as I do every year but, frankly, I'm dreading it!
 
Mainad said:
I feel as pessimistic about him as you do but am desperately hoping to be proved wrong but everyone I read about seems to be just as pessimistic about him as we do. It's depressing me no end.

I feel he is still too young to call it quits and has got at least a couple of years more good tennis in him. That's what he himself predicted earlier this year. But his twitter account and website have gone ominously silent lately with hardly any news of any kind being released at all. This is in marked contrast to previous seasons. It just doesn't feel right, the vibes are not good. To top it all, he and Lendl have split again leaving him coachless. It's noth8ing any Murray fan wishes to hear.

I should be looking forward eagerly to the new season as I do every year but, frankly, I'm dreading it!
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Time for you to come back to the Fed camp !
 
Mainad said:
I feel as pessimistic about him as you do but am desperately hoping to be proved wrong but everyone I read about seems to be just as pessimistic about him as we do. It's depressing me no end.

I feel he is still too young to call it quits and has got at least a couple of years more good tennis in him. That's what he himself predicted earlier this year. But his twitter account and website have gone ominously silent lately with hardly any news of any kind being released at all. This is in marked contrast to previous seasons. It just doesn't feel right, the vibes are not good. To top it all, he and Lendl have split again leaving him coachless. It's nothing any Murray fan wishes to hear.

I should be looking forward eagerly to the new season as I do every year but, frankly, I'm dreading it!
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*hugs*
 
Mainad said:
I feel as pessimistic about him as you do but am desperately hoping to be proved wrong but everyone I read about seems to be just as pessimistic about him as we do. It's depressing me no end.

I feel he is still too young to call it quits and has got at least a couple of years more good tennis in him. That's what he himself predicted earlier this year. But his twitter account and website have gone ominously silent lately with hardly any news of any kind being released at all. This is in marked contrast to previous seasons. It just doesn't feel right, the vibes are not good. To top it all, he and Lendl have split again leaving him coachless. It's nothing any Murray fan wishes to hear.

I should be looking forward eagerly to the new season as I do every year but, frankly, I'm dreading it!
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It's ok. It will all work out somehow :)
 
Mainad said:
I feel as pessimistic about him as you do but am desperately hoping to be proved wrong but everyone I read about seems to be just as pessimistic about him as we do. It's depressing me no end.

I feel he is still too young to call it quits and has got at least a couple of years more good tennis in him. That's what he himself predicted earlier this year. But his twitter account and website have gone ominously silent lately with hardly any news of any kind being released at all. This is in marked contrast to previous seasons. It just doesn't feel right, the vibes are not good. To top it all, he and Lendl have split again leaving him coachless. It's nothing any Murray fan wishes to hear.

I should be looking forward eagerly to the new season as I do every year but, frankly, I'm dreading it!
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Well, I'm not positive about his chances at all but at the same time I'm not expecting wonders out of Fedal next year either, Wawrinka's prospects at the very top also look sketchy and we have no idea about the Djoker. So in theory there should be chances but ya gotta at least be playing to a very high level still to actually bag a Slam and it might be rather a while before we see that from Andy. If he can successfully get over his injury, then I suspect he won't have to be extraordinary to squeak in another one but no matter what way you cut it, winning Slams is 'ard.
 
I give Murray a 20-25% of winning another slam, mainly due to a p*ss weak field, given his best days are now behind him. Wawa I give 0.05% chance.
 
Its so hard to say right now. A lot of us thought Fed and Nadal were done too summer of 2016. At least I know I did. It felt bad to see the greats going down with injury no matter how diehard Fed I am. But, they found a way to do it again :). There's still hope for Stan and Andy.
 
I'm sure if they stay healthy they'll still be contenders, especially if the next gen keeps wetting the bed at the majors.
 
We shouldn't count Djoko, Murray, and Stan out just yet. When healthy the three are still among the leagues five best players along with Fedal, and as several above have stated, Fedal were also counted out by many (including myself I won't deny it) just 12 months ago, and look at them now, back in form and still out here making history!!
 
In the vein of the great sports doctor Shakira, I fear Murray's hips will spell some uncomfortable truths in the coming season.

Stanislas also looks more likely than not to be past his slam-winning days; seeing as he's the Yossarian of tennis, this is compelling evidence that he will indeed win another slam.
 
Again, it depends a lot on whether some of these younger players can finally grow spines.

Maybe they can each win one more IF they are both healthy and committed and IF the younger players continue to be MIA.
 
Stan has an insanely high peak level and he's proven those peaks come exclusively at slams. Yes, Stan can win another major, possibly even two.

I think Murray is done winning slams, even with the next gen players being total garbage. His hip might never be the same.
 
Red Rick said:
The fields are **** weak, if they get back to form they have a very good chance of winning again. Especially Murray, who should be a favorite at Wimbledon if he gets there in top shape.

I do really hope both get back to good health.

It's the era of old farts (sorry @-NN- ), why can't Murrinka enjoy it too?
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Yeah I can see that myself but Murray's injury is pretty bad. Stan's is too.

I don't know. Depends on whether or not he can return to his old level. If he can and the draw opens up enough he can win another slam.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Stan has an insanely high peak level and he's proven those peaks come exclusively at slams. Yes, Stan can win another major, possibly even two.

I think Murray is done winning slams, even with the next gen players being total garbage. His hip might never be the same.
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And exclusively vs Djokovic at the slams. Stan isn't as effective vs Nadal and Federer at the slams. For me, Stan's AO 2014 result vs Nadal was an anomaly.
 
Tough to say with Stan.
Other than his AO title, his Ws have come when he silently moves through the draw, so to speak, and maintains his top form in big moments in big tournaments. Hard to tell slam to slam for him.

Murray much more heavily relies on consistency, so he may be done if he can’t get back to a formidable level.
 
When Stan was 28 years old and still didn't have a single major, did anyone predict he'd win three?

I'm not going to write him off until he retires.
 
Like we have seen in 2017
it only takes one or 2 of the big four to be injured or out of form , and the other 2 will take advantage or even Stan in this case
because none of the young generation seem able to step up.
so never say never
 
Probably, however

A player won a slam this year without beating a top 20 player.

I am sure if such an opportunity arose both Murray and Wawrinka would be capable of coming out victorious.
 
Hip is usually a career death sentence in tennis. I really hope Murray proves me wrong though, having him in the mix is great for the game.

I have more confidence in Stan bagging another one. A very late bloomer (compared to Murray who has been a near constant fixture in top 5 since 2008), more aggressive game and I think a less career threatening injury.
 
I’d be surprised if they won more, but not as surprised as the results of 2017, in other words I don’t have a clue!
 
Predicting the career trajectories of players has become increasingly difficult the last few years. Next year could potentially be quite open so...maybe?
 
Think Murray has a bigger chance than Wawrinka to win more slams.

Or it could be wishful thinking.

Anyways, Federer has an advantage on grass if he gun for Wimbledon. Not many that plays great on grass.
 
cc0509 said:
And exclusively vs Djokovic at the slams. Stan isn't as effective vs Nadal and Federer at the slams. For me, Stan's AO 2014 result vs Nadal was an anomaly.
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Whether it was an anomaly it not, it negates your claim that Stan "exclusively" beats Djoker in slams. He's also beat Roger and Muzz in slams. The word "exclusively" is simply untrue.
 
I'd love to see them both bag another major .
Unlikely?.. quite and unfortunately so.
If they are indeed both finished -
fret not - the upper 2nd tier/atg debates will continue in their place
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ojo rojo said:
I'd love to see them both bag another major .
Unlikely?.. quite and unfortunately so.
If they are indeed both finished -
fret not - the upper 2nd tier/atg debates will continue in their place
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Yes because debating whether or not Murray is an ATG with 3 slams is so much more interesting.
 
I think a lot of this depends on whether a Zverev/Kygrios/young gun puts it together. The combination of a Djokovic, Nadal, possibly Federer from time to time and young guns to contend with will make it extremely difficult. If not, their window will be open quite a bit longer. I think Murray is done anyway to be honest. Stan is such a wild card that anything is possible.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Whether it was an anomaly it not, it negates your claim that Stan "exclusively" beats Djoker in slams. He's also beat Roger and Muzz in slams. The word "exclusively" is simply untrue.
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Stan beat Roger at the FO in 2015. Big deal. Off clay, would you ever bank on Stan to beat Roger at a slam?
Would you ever bet on Stan beating a healthy Nadal at any slam? I wouldn't. For me, Stan's specialty appears to be beating Djokovic like a drum at the slams in the past few years. As for Stan vs Andy, that's a closer match-up depending on the surface.

So IMO a red-hot Stan does not automatically beat any Big Four member at a slam. Based on the past few years history, he has the best chance of beating Djokovic at a slam.
 
abmk said:
beat Murray in straights in USO 13, beat him in 5 sets at RG 17.

beat berdych, nadal in AO 14
beat federer,tsonga in RG 15
beat delpo, nishi in USO 16

its not just vs djokovic.
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I didn't mention Stan vs Andy. I specifically mentioned Stan vs Djokovic, Federer, and Nadal. Stan at a slam vs Federer(off clay) and Nadal anywhere significantly favors Federer and Nadal. Stan has had much greater success in the past few years vs Djokovic at the slams.
 
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cc0509 said:
I didn't mention Stan vs Andy. I specifically mentioned Stan vs Djokovic, Federer, and Nadal. Stan at a slam vs Federer(off clay) and Nadal anywhere significantly favors Federer and Nadal. Stan has had much greater success in the past few years vs Djokovic at the slams.
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point is he could and did beat even Fedal in slams when peaking (even if he is not necessarily favoured to do so). he beat other in-form top guys as well (berdych, nishi, delpo,tsonga ) in his slam runs. (+ beat Murray in RG 17 and in USO 10&13)
its not just djokovic.

its not just some peculiar matchup problem vs djokovic. its that his peak level is high+he matches up better vs djokovic than vs fedal.
 
abmk said:
point is he could and did beat even Fedal in slams when peaking (even if he is not necessarily favoured to do so). he beat other in-form top guys as well (berdych, nishi, delpo,tsonga ) in his slam runs. (+ beat Murray in RG 17 and in USO 10&13)
its not just djokovic.

its not just some peculiar matchup problem vs djokovic. its that his peak level is high+he matches up better vs djokovic than vs fedal.
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He obviously matches up better with Djokovic than with Fedal. I don't think Stan wins FO 2015 with a better Nadal around and I don't think he wins the USO against a well playing Federer instead of Djoko. Even AO is debatable with Federer never losing to him outside of clay.
 
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