It might have been many years ago but now it certainly is not.Yeah, forum too Fed-centric LMAO.
It might have been many years ago but now it certainly is not.Yeah, forum too Fed-centric LMAO.
more like the Truth is so strong even Fedfans don't deny it anymore. This is an encouraging sign, not just for Tennis, but humanity as a whole. Maybe one day we can have Peace.Yeah, forum too Fed-centric LMAO.
@King No1e is the guy who should do the correcting he does the Greek names the best.Man, you keep misspelling his name and I'm not allowed to correct you.
Crazy stuff. 2007/2008 Nadal is favourite Nadal on clay because he moved like 2005/2006 and served and attacked better. Federer did very well here probably his best showing vs Nadal in a RG match.
Just look at how good Federer and Nadal moved back then but yes not a peak Nadal![]()
Unfortunately, as the kamikaze flight instructor once said, "look closely, because I will only show you this once"@King No1e is the guy who should do the correcting he does the Greek names the best.
What about guys who are lower ranked playing super tennis?![]()
Yes, Fed had it easier.
And this doesn't take even account that beating #2 or #3 Roddick, Hewitt, Ferrero, 2006 Nadal(off clay), 2007 Djokovic is no where near beating #2 or #3 prime Djokovic, prime Nadal, prime or just post prime Federer or even prime Murray.
I invented that name. The problem is that we are not allowed to use them anymore.@King No1e is the guy who should do the correcting he does the Greek names the best.
How about 2011 Fed ? Yes, I know, he blew that lead in the 1st, but still, the general score was tighter than in any RG F between them.Crazy stuff. 2007/2008 Nadal is favourite Nadal on clay because he moved like 2005/2006 and served and attacked better. Federer did very well here probably his best showing vs Nadal in a RG match.
I thought 2007 was better from both Nadal and Federer but you could make a case for that and 2006 i guess.How about 2011 Fed ? Yes, I know, he blew that lead in the 1st, but still, the general score was tighter than in any RG F between them.
How come you are not allowed?I invented that name. The problem is that we are not allowed to use them anymore.
Federer faced Grosjean and washed up Henman in 2004 W/USO semi finalOh yeah real tough competition....Karatsev is probably the toughest semi final opponent of all time.
They moved a little quicker then, but Fed hits his BH much better since 2015, and his FH is just as good now.
Just look at how good Federer and Nadal moved back then but yes not a peak Nadal![]()
Karatsev is a challenger level player in the semi final of the AO...don't even go there boyFederer faced Grosjean and washed up Henman in 2004 W/USO semi final![]()
Untestable.What about guys who are lower ranked playing super tennis?
I see your Karatsev, and raise you Bagdhatis in a slam finalKaratsev is a challenger level player in the semi final of the AO...don't even go there boy
I have 08/10/12 as the clear top 3. Is this a common opinion that 07 is that good? I think I'd have it 4th (not sure) but I've always though 08/10/12 were the stratospheric untouchable FO Nadals.Arguing for any RG final Nadal below a 9/10 (unless you're using a special scale for him) is absolute nonsense. Never mind his third or second best RG form.
You quote me.I have 08/10/12 as the clear top 3. Is this a common opinion that 07 is that good? I think I'd have it 4th (not sure) but I've always though 08/10/12 were the stratospheric untouchable FO Nadals.
Theoretically that should balance out for everyoneWhat about guys who are lower ranked playing super tennis?
Mistake I'm sorry I had quoted an earlier post of yours to respond to and never got around to it and forgot to delete it.You quote me.
2006 was an atrocity, -2.5/10I thought 2007 was better from both Nadal and Federer but you could make a case for that and 2006 i guess.
-5.5/10?2006 was an atrocity, -2.5/10
The eye test is how the big 3 became so good and is how we evaluate even though it is subjective it is easy to see when a lesser players is playing great.Untestable.
It's just my opinion, but Tennis is a sum 0 game, it's really hard, if not impossible, know how a player played one match because the level of the opponent changes the perceptions that a viewer can have about a player.
In other words, it's possible the opponent makes you playing bad.
I have my own "eye-test" opinion on some matches(Ex. for Nole: Wawrinka deserves a lot of credit for 2015 RG final win, Nole deserves more blame for 2016 USO final loss).
But this is subjective.
Lower ranked opponents playing great tennis and great opponents playing badly happens. I think we can't even always recognize how a players played(I remember Roddick saying he was playing very well in 2012 Olympics against Djokovic, but was Nole who made him look a journeyman).
Returning to my point: we have a good sample of tournaments in GS won by big 3. I'm sure everyone of them played well playing lower ranked players and great opponents who played badly. I, also, think these situations compensate in a big sample like that.
His FH is just as good when he hasn’t played a match for over a year.They moved a little quicker then, but Fed hits his BH much better since 2015, and his FH is just as good now.
Just as good when he played in 2015-2019.His FH is just as good when he hasn’t played a match for over a year.
Good troll.
Ah.Because...
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How convenient.Just as good when he played in 2015-2019.
That is lengths the Federer competition bashing will go to even bring down Nadal then on another turn use him to show how weak Federer had it.RG 2007 Nadal was peak Nadal, only behind RG 2008 (maybe arguably RG 2012). To say in seriousness that RG 2007 final Nadal is 8.5/10 shows either you have no idea what are you talking about or you have some serious damage due to insane level of butthurt.
I would have 2007 up in that list if not even ahead of 2010.I have 08/10/12 as the clear top 3. Is this a common opinion that 07 is that good? I think I'd have it 4th (not sure) but I've always though 08/10/12 were the stratospheric untouchable FO Nadals.
2012 Nadal lost a double break advantage in the second set and 8 games in a row at one stageI have 08/10/12 as the clear top 3. Is this a common opinion that 07 is that good? I think I'd have it 4th (not sure) but I've always though 08/10/12 were the stratospheric untouchable FO Nadals.
Djokovic did play great in the stretch tbh.2012 Nadal lost a double break advantage in the second set and 8 games in a row at one stage![]()
It was the only set he lost on clay all year and Novak was GOATing2012 Nadal lost a double break advantage in the second set and 8 games in a row at one stage![]()
Nadal lost to Verdasco at Madrid.It was the only set he lost on clay all year and Novak was GOATing
Not so easy IMO, and this causes a bias in favor of Federer.The eye test is how the big 3 became so good and is how we evaluate even though it is subjective it is easy to see when a lesser players is playing great.
Guys like Safin of AO 05 and Del Potro RG 09 were in mind blowing form and get called weak if we just looking at names and rankings. Same with Agassi of AO 04/USO 04 who gets called a stick but he was actually playing prime level tennis despite being 34.
Many people say Federer faced more of this guys and the field has more depth.Not so easy IMO, and this causes a bias in favor of Federer.
A player has to respond to the shots he receives. And some player(And Federer is one of them) play their best tennis when they hit a lot winners. Others players(And Nole and Rafa is two of them) play their best tennis when their shots are extremely hard to return with efficiency, making the opponent seems weak. Obviously, it's not black and white, there are shapes of that.
I'm sure Federer played some lower ranked player in a great day/period. But I think it's the same for Nole and Rafa, and it's their credit for making them seems playing worse than they actually played.
Come on, it wasn't just Novak GOATING and you know it.It was the only set he lost on clay all year and Novak was GOATing
Do you think Nadal was playing poorly? I mean maybe compared to his 2012 god form but he was still playing well. Djokovic was dialed in after the SF and Nadal pretty much routined him outside of that one stretch where Novak was straight treeing and he dropped off a bit. 12 Nadal was insane. I think 10 Nadal gets slept on just because he didn't beat one of Djokerer.Come on, it wasn't just Novak GOATING and you know it.
Machan, in general I simply don't agree with weaker/stronger era claims. Players can only beat who's across the net from them. The top-3 were all superior to the competition, that's all. Now depending on the degree of superiority, the gap is either narrow or wide. Sampras, for example. His skill on grass was so sublime, nobody could match it so there was a wide chasm between him and his competitors on grass. Federer on the other hand didn't have that kind of advantage on grass so he's been beaten by the likes of Djokovic repeatedly in finals. So the chasm isn't as wide. It doesn't have as much to do with competition as skill superiority. Simple as that.
The only thing that keeps Feds competition back a tad for me is his years before the other 3 got going. He had Nadal starting in 2005.Machan, in general I simply don't agree with weaker/stronger era claims. Players can only beat who's across the net from them. The top-3 were all superior to the competition, that's all. Now depending on the degree of superiority, the gap is either narrow or wide. Sampras, for example. His skill on grass was so sublime, nobody could match it so there was a wide chasm between him and his competitors on grass. Federer on the other hand didn't have that kind of advantage on grass so he's been beaten by the likes of Djokovic repeatedly in finals. So the chasm isn't as wide. It doesn't have as much to do with competition as skill superiority. Simple as that.
That's a good point but that can be easily countered by the Federer fans by pointing out the current competition which lacks any potential all-time great. What Federer enjoyed in the period 2003-2005 (lack of an all-time great competitor), Nadal/Djokovic are enjoying now so all said and done, things get balanced out. I don't think any of them has had an unfair advantage over the others in terms of competition but the Federer fans are beating that point to death and I'm getting tired of it.The only thing that keeps Feds competition back a tad for me is his years before the other 3 got going. He had Nadal starting in 2005.
Otha Machan, where were you these past few months? You were missed but glad to have you back
Fair point and I agree with that.That's a good point but that can be easily countered by the Federer fans by pointing out the current competition which lacks any potential all-time great. What Federer enjoyed in the period 2003-2005 (lack of an all-time great competitor), Nadal/Djokovic are enjoying now so all said and done, things get balanced out. I don't think any of them has had an unfair advantage over the others in terms of competition but the Federer fans are beating that point to death and I'm getting tired of it.
I had to step away. A Fed fan got to me and I hate it when one of them causes me to lose my temper.Otha Machan, where were you these past few months? You were missed but glad to have you back![]()
You're back?Fair point and I agree with that.
They have gone off the rails man.
Complete mental breakdown.
It is like a swarm of locusts at this point.
When they get on a thread you can kiss it goodbye.
Eaten to the roots.