Having your serve clocked is depressing

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LeeD

Bionic Poster
I'd say GC hit maybe 3 fast serves total, choosing to spin in most of his first serves for percentage. The fast ones ARE fast.
We don't care about his AVERAGE first serve speed, we only care about his fastest serves. He CHOSE to spin most of his serves in.
His opponent spins em in around 85mph.
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
You can joke all you want, but GC is maybe 6'5" TALL, hit's most of his first serves as a top/slice, but once in a while, he chooses to flatten one out.
And up at TahoeCity, at 6,000 feet, his serve would be lethal against YOU, if he chose to flatten them out and go for your body.
 
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VashTheStampede

Professional
Nostradamus said:
Agree, this Garbage is not worth the webpage it is posted on.

http://www.afterschool.com/p/gamma-...877965&utm_content=pla&adtype=pla&cagpspn=pla

If you want REAL speed, that gun at the US open stadium is the MOST accurate.
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While most non-professional players won't get to have their serves clocked in this stadium, Adam Sandler's unreturned serve at the US Open was clocked at 91mph.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iaj-VnLCGXA&feature=player_detailpage#t=1130s at 18:50. The serve was cut off but you can see the return going in the net and the service speed on the top left.

He hit another one earlier at 87mph at 16:45 into the video but it went in the net.
 
Nostradamus

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
VashTheStampede said:
While most non-professional players won't get to have their serves clocked in this stadium, Adam Sandler's unreturned serve at the US Open was clocked at 91mph.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iaj-VnLCGXA&feature=player_detailpage#t=1130s at 18:50. The serve was cut off but you can see the return going in the net and the service speed on the top left.

He hit another one earlier at 87mph at 16:45 into the video but it went in the net.
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Yea,,, Next one was 93 MPH and that one looked slow in the TV screen. Amazing how this 3.5 player can hit the serve so hard. :)
 
Nostradamus

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
LeeD said:
You can joke all you want, but GC is maybe 6'5" TALL, hit's most of his first serves as a top/slice, but once in a while, he chooses to flatten one out.
And up at TahoeCity, at 6,000 feet, his serve would be lethal against YOU, if he chose to flatten them out and go for your body.
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What are you saying here then ? His serve was 90 MPH ???:confused:
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
Even GC would agree most of his top/slice first serves are around 85/95 max.
BUT, when he flattens it out, goes for speed, it get's into the 115+ range easily at sea level, and the few (maybe 3 total) posted on the vid, higher.
Nobody consider's AVERAGE first serve speed. We are clocking only the fastest flat first serves.
 
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thecode

Banned
Nostradamus said:
Yea,,, Next one was 93 MPH and that one looked slow in the TV screen. Amazing how this 3.5 player can hit the serve so hard. :)
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Not really too amazing if you have experienced how much higher the speeds register in the big events. Funny how quick some are to talk about how much weaker rec servers must be, but those same guys think their $99 speed ck is up to par with the radars set up at the Major events. As you noted above, even Adam's very avg serve was able to hit 93 mph on the pro radar set up. Many rec players can avg better than that on their first and peak out 10-15 mph higher when mean measured properly, but good luck getting those who believe in their "home version speed check" to understand this.
 
Nostradamus

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
thecode said:
Not really too amazing if you have experienced how much higher the speeds register in the big events. Funny how quick some are to talk about how much weaker rec servers must be, but those same guys think their $99 speed ck is up to par with the radars set up at the Major events. As you noted above, even Adam's very avg serve was able to hit 93 mph on the pro radar set up. Many rec players can avg better than that on their first and peak out 10-15 mph higher when mean measured properly, but good luck getting those who believe in their "home version speed check" to understand this.
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I couldn't agree more.
 
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greystar403

Rookie
I hit a 90MPH last year. That was with a proper warm up and a set beforehand. Fastest I've ever hit in my life...

Someday, I will break 100MPH barrier.
 
GoaLaSSo

GoaLaSSo

Semi-Pro
I don't trust most radar guns. They are really dependent on where you are measuring the speed and how good the radar gun actually is. It is almost better to judge serve speed based on having experience and how long it takes to go from your racquet to the court.

Serves in the 120+ range will hit in the service box around the time the server lands (a little dependent on how high they jump). From the receiver's perspective, the serve appears to hit your side of the court almost immediately after it is struck. Only way to get a return in without 6.0+ reflexes is to stick out your racket and hope by some miracle it goes in on the other side.

I have only played a couple of people that serve this high consistently and one is a 6ft 4ish D1 player and the other is a 6ft 6ish 5.0 player. That fast of a serve anywhere in the service box leaves you no time to take any steps or adjust, and it will most likely peg you if hit straight at the body.
 
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Mike2228

Rookie
dak95_00 said:
These were obviously wind aided so any and all guesses won't qualify and cannot be counted towards actual serve speed.

I'll say they were 112 mph! :twisted:
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They call me the fat andy roddick.:twisted:

Edit: also i don't think they were wind "Aided".
 
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President

President

Legend
Also, I don't know why everyone is bashing Lee's serve. Everything looks slower on camera and serving from the far side of the court can distort it even further. I could easily see him having a 100+ serve in better conditions.
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
Make sure you clock your serves when it's warm or hot out.
Today 68, hot for Berkeley, was hitting some serves with old flat DunlopHDHardCourts balls. Some jumped chest high, or over 40" up at the backboard, and every single one smacked hard mostly in the 30" range up off the court surface.
Local 5.5 came over and watch, even. His Dad commented from 2 courts away.
No pressure, maybe 75% or slightly better IN, with huge hops.
DunlopAero500 weighted with 18" of 1/4" lead at 10-2. SW probably close to 325.
 
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luvforty

Banned
LeeD said:
Make sure you clock your serves when it's warm or hot out.
Today 68, hot for Berkeley, was hitting some serves with old flat DunlopHDHardCourts balls. Some jumped chest high, or over 40" up at the backboard, and every single one smacked hard mostly in the 30" range up off the court surface.
Local 5.5 came over and watch, even. His Dad commented from 2 courts away.
No pressure, maybe 75% or slightly better IN, with huge hops.
DunlopAero500 weighted with 18" of 1/4" lead at 10-2. SW probably close to 325.
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coach Lee, every time I read your post, I wonder if the standard Unit of Measure like inches or ounces etc mean something different in Berkeley.
 
Rafa4Ever

Rafa4Ever

Rookie
LeeD said:
Make sure you clock your serves when it's warm or hot out.
Today 68, hot for Berkeley, was hitting some serves with old flat DunlopHDHardCourts balls. Some jumped chest high, or over 40" up at the backboard, and every single one smacked hard mostly in the 30" range up off the court surface.
Local 5.5 came over and watch, even. His Dad commented from 2 courts away.
No pressure, maybe 75% or slightly better IN, with huge hops.
DunlopAero500 weighted with 18" of 1/4" lead at 10-2. SW probably close to 325.
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wow you must be pretty good....

Have fun in your little fantasy land. If anyone watched anything then it would be to comment on (im assuming) your horrendous form or pompous attitude. If someone was at the 5.5 level then they wouldn't care about your serve haha. Seriously, you're delusional...
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
"5.5" was Josh, who won the last A/Open in Berkeley. Kiteboard, Yaz, and quite a few other's here know him, or have hit with him. He's grown to maybe 6'4", a bit more than 3 years ago, the last I hit with him. His bro is Freedom, another 5-5.5, and Dad is Ohmm, a 3-3.5 because he's gotta be 70 years old.
Just the facts, maams.
Yeah, I'm pretty good. How many times have I said I'm a strong 3.5 for you guys, and my serves go about 100?
 
beernutz

beernutz

Hall of Fame
Rafa4Ever said:
wow you must be pretty good....

Have fun in your little fantasy land. If anyone watched anything then it would be to comment on (im assuming) your horrendous form or pompous attitude. If someone was at the 5.5 level then they wouldn't care about your serve haha. Seriously, you're delusional...
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Behold this rarely seen image of the real Lee.
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
He might be in better shape than me :)
You guys don't understand. I usually play my tennis in 52-60 degree weather, so the ball doesn't go without a huge WHACK, which I don't have anymore. When air temps go up into the upper '60's, it's a sweatbox for me, and the balls JUMP beyond belief. Naturally, growing up in the "Sunset" district of SanFrancisco, I die in heat over 80, profusely sweating even sitting in the shade with a tall cool one.
At least I state the balls used. When Wilson's are around, that first serve really goes good....not necessarily IN, but fast.
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
Oh, if any of you ever drop into the East bay side of SanFrancisco, my phone is 510-501-1702, which I"ve posted at least 3 times a year for the past 4 years. You can check if I really CAN serve at 100mph.
About that vid. TRY IT. Serve out wide, and see if your serves bounce 30" off the ground at the backboard on IN serves. I'll bet they don't come close.
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
:):)
I notice something! Really!
You doubters, none of you say how high your serves bounce, what balls are used, what court temps, but you find the time to knock the people who DO post the variables, and say they are dreamers.
Remember, I claim 100mph. Now, YOU go out on the courts, hit some serves, and see where the ball hits the backboard (21' from the baseline) on IN serves!
I'll bet you're AFRAID to post, without exxagerating into a joke.
 
beernutz

beernutz

Hall of Fame
LeeD said:
:):)
I notice something! Really!
You doubters, none of you say how high your serves bounce, what balls are used, what court temps, but you find the time to knock the people who DO post the variables, and say they are dreamers.
Remember, I claim 100mph. Now, YOU go out on the courts, hit some serves, and see where the ball hits the backboard (21' from the baseline) on IN serves!
I'll bet you're AFRAID to post, without exxagerating into a joke.
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Hey doofus, it is the responsibility of the person making the absurd claims, in this case YOU, to back them up. In my case, please find any post where I claimed to have a 100 mph serve and I will publicly apologise to you and never respond to one of your ridiculous posts again ever. But you won't because I NEVER HAVE.
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
If you look at my vid again, see the bounce 30" high on a WIDE first spin serve, do some math, it comes up easy 100.
Factor in DunlopHDHardCourtChamp balls, 62 degree heat, and it's the beginning of the tennis season, and I"m not joshing at all, am I?
Once again, I claim 100mph first flat serves, high level 3.5 in singles.
Doofus is a good name, I guess I earned it. But what name do YOU deserve?
 
beernutz

beernutz

Hall of Fame
LeeD said:
If you look at my vid again, see the bounce 30" high on a WIDE first spin serve, do some math, it comes up easy 100.
Factor in DunlopHDHardCourtChamp balls, 62 degree heat, and it's the beginning of the tennis season, and I"m not joshing at all, am I?
Once again, I claim 100mph first flat serves, high level 3.5 in singles.
Doofus is a good name, I guess I earned it. But what name do YOU deserve?
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If you claim that video shows a 100 mph serve, which apparently is what you are claiming, then you are truely more delusional than I originally thought.
 
arche3

arche3

Banned
LeeD said:
If you look at my vid again, see the bounce 30" high on a WIDE first spin serve, do some math, it comes up easy 100.
Factor in DunlopHDHardCourtChamp balls, 62 degree heat, and it's the beginning of the tennis season, and I"m not joshing at all, am I?
Once again, I claim 100mph first flat serves, high level 3.5 in singles.
Doofus is a good name, I guess I earned it. But what name do YOU deserve?
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I don't think I remember seeing where the ball hits the side wall in that video? does it show the hit at 30" ?
 
Power Player

Power Player

Bionic Poster
LeeD if that serve is 100 MPH, I'm John Isner. No freaking way.

I just faced a guy this week who truly clears 100 MPH , and I wish he served like you.
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
PowerPlayer....
That serve is hit out wide. The height of the tripod is exactly 48", or 4', whatever you call it. The camera sits atop it.
I said I could serve 100mph. Not necessarily that particular serve, because if you look closely at the curve of the ball, it's hit with top/slice.
Look at Alex serving. He's a in season, 4.0 competitive player at 6' tall and 175 lbs. I caught that ball with one hand, waist high, about 3' behind the baseline. My serves were easy 15 mph faster, even he'd agree. His wide serves never came close to one bouncing to the backboard.
Up the center of the court, his serves hit the backboard about a foot up, going downwards quickly.
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
Oh, don't forget, the vid was taken in April or so, maybe 2nd or 3rd day of the tennis season.
Using DunlopHardCourtHeavyDutyChamp balls, already opened, don't know how many days, and air temps were around 62, it's 9PM in April.
YOUR serves are Florida serves, not 62 degree airs, and I'll BET you don't use Dunlop or Slazenger balls (the heaviest).
 
beernutz

beernutz

Hall of Fame
LeeD said:
PowerPlayer....
That serve is hit out wide. The height of the tripod is exactly 48", or 4', whatever you call it. The camera sits atop it.
I said I could serve 100mph. Not necessarily that particular serve, because if you look closely at the curve of the ball, it's hit with top/slice.
Look at Alex serving. He's a in season, 4.0 competitive player at 6' tall and 175 lbs. I caught that ball with one hand, waist high, about 3' behind the baseline. My serves were easy 15 mph faster, even he'd agree. His wide serves never came close to one bouncing to the backboard.
Up the center of the court, his serves hit the backboard about a foot up, going downwards quickly.
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Liar. This is a direct quote from you earlier in this tread: "If you look at my vid again, see the bounce 30" high on a WIDE first spin serve, do some math, it comes up easy 100."

You spin so much B.S. I can see why it is hard for even you to keep it all straight.
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
You're an idiot!
20+ times, I"ve said I serve around 100mph.
This ONE vid, you expect a 100mph serve?
Are you the idiot of the month winner?
Milos can serve 156. Do you expect EVERY one of his video serves are 156 mph?
Are you stupid, or should you just joing the Arche3 vs Dozu vs LuvForty threads?
Chang serve 125 at the FrenchOpen. Do you expect EVERY single first serve from Chang to hit 125?
YOU are an IDIOT!
 
beernutz

beernutz

Hall of Fame
LeeD said:
You're an idiot!
20+ times, I"ve said I serve around 100mph.
This ONE vid, you expect a 100mph serve?
Are you the idiot of the month winner?
Milos can serve 156. Do you expect EVERY one of his video serves are 156 mph?
Are you stupid, or should you just joing the Arche3 vs Dozu vs LuvForty threads?
Chang serve 125 at the FrenchOpen. Do you expect EVERY single first serve from Chang to hit 125?
YOU are an IDIOT!
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No you said, and I just quoted it, that that was a 100 mph serve, then you just denied saying it to powerplayer. You are just too stupid to realize that some people actually read and remember the bull you post.

You still haven't replied when I asked you about your claim that you lost to a D1 woman in singles two years ago 5-7, which is about as ridiculous as your 100 mph claim. Want me to go dig that one up too liar?
 
TTMR

TTMR

Hall of Fame
Let's face facts here.

Most people in this thread are just pushers jealous of LeeD's skill. You are likely overweight geeks who tap the ball over the net to other overweight geeks until one of you runs out of breath and surrenders the point. You guys talk tough, but do you have the exceptional multi-sport track record of LeeD? Pros in every sport he's played (tennis, windsurfing, pistol shooting, motocross, skiing, snowboarding, junior high football [where the coach told him his arm was too strong to be QB]) played with and interacted with him on a regular basis. High level amateurs come to watch his game, even to this day. You might find it hard to envision such a phenomenal athlete deigning to visit us on this forum and to give us advice, but it's just his magnanimity and grace that comes from being an elite sportsman.

And yes, a forty years past his prime LeeD with one good leg would still blow most of you out of the water on a cold Bay Area day. LeeD's only achilles heel is the 'B' tournament pusher.
 
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Sumo

Semi-Pro
TTMR said:
Let's face facts here.

Most people in this thread are just pushers jealous of LeeD's skill. You are likely overweight geeks who tap the ball over the net to other overweight geeks until one of you runs out of breath and surrenders the point. You guys talk tough, but do you have the exceptional multi-sport track record of LeeD? Pros in every sport he's played (tennis, windsurfing, pistol shooting, motocross, skiing, snowboarding, junior high football [where the coach told him his arm was too strong to be QB]) played with and interacted with him on a regular basis. High level amateurs come to watch his game, even to this day. You might find it hard to envision such a phenomenal athlete deigning to visit us on this forum and to give us advice, but it's just his magnanimity and grace that comes from being an elite sportsman.

And yes, a forty years past his prime LeeD with one good leg would still blow most of you out of the water on a cold Bay Area day. LeeD's only achilles heel is the 'B' tournament pusher.
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You nailed it except for one thing. Overweight players aren't pushers.....they're all power all the time.
 
Cindysphinx

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
goran_ace said:
I like how this thread has descended into chaos; TalkTennis never lets me down. Instead of accepting the notion that you may not serve as big as you would like to think, we talk about things like how the radar gun/methodology isn't accurate, equipment or conditions weren't ideal, and how we swear there are rec players out there who have a flamethrower of an arm.
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Man, I love these serve speed threads. You never, ever see a woman our there making insane claims.

Me, I don't care how fast my serve is. I care how many are not returned or are popped up to my partner.

Our better yet, shanked sideways into the vision. Those are the best
 
President

President

Legend
Stop bashing Lee guys...maybe he exaggerates a little bit sometimes but he really does bring a lot to this forum with both his tennis knowledge and his great stories, and he's a great character!
 
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