GoaLaSSo
Semi-Pro
Agreed. He has some good input and can be pretty funny sometimes, but people love to harass him for every little thing he says.
Having your serve clocked is depressing
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Agreed. He has some good input and can be pretty funny sometimes, but people love to harass him for every little thing he says.
WildVolley
Legend
That's mainly because most women can't hit fast serves.
I've never seen a woman hit a serve over 100mph on the public courts where I play. In fact, the only women I've seen hit serves over 100mph were touring pros.
I'm probably a 4.0 rated man, and while I can't serve as well, I can hit harder serves than at least several top 50 WTA players.
disagree -
this is a male animal puff up the feather to look bigger thing... guys just like to brag... it's a survival and reproduction strategy... to get mating partners and scare away rivals.
Relinquis
Hall of Fame
my spinny 2nd serves seem to trouble my opponents more than my flat 1st serves even though they're slower.
it's not like the ball kicks too far above or too far outside their contact zone, i suppose most rec players just have trouble adjusting to varying types of spin.
LeeD seems like a nice guy.
it's not like the ball kicks too far above or too far outside their contact zone, i suppose most rec players just have trouble adjusting to varying types of spin.
LeeD seems like a nice guy.
WildVolley
Legend
I'm not sure I buy all the evolutionary-bio type arguments, but you are correct that men brag more about athletics than women. Men are just more interested in watching and competing in athletics than women, and it probably has something to do with testosterone.
Still, there is a large serve speed gap between men and women. And I really haven't seen any recreational woman player hit a big serve.
TTMR
Hall of Fame
Frankly, it's because women simply have no place in this discussion.
Typical feminist histrionics aside, the reality is women are just not genetically predisposed to big serving and big hitting. It takes a woman an entire formation in tennis from a young age just to approach hitting with power, and even then most top women can't outhit an above average male rec player. She might be more fit, more experienced and have better legs, but power for power, stroke for stroke, a rising 4.0 has the edge. As LeeD said, many 4.0 men can 'easily' hit into the 130s on a flat first serve, and note that many of these men are playing with 'men's' tennis balls: Dunlop Fort or Slazenger Wimbledon Extra Duty, some of the biggest, fluffiest and heaviest balls in history. The women, by contrast, tend to use high flying golf balls like the Wilson US Open Series or Babolat Roland Garros Regular Duty that amplify power and bounce.
Now I'm not saying that a typical 4.0 male will beat a top WTA player; that would be ridiculous. But a strong, athletic rising 4.0 will certainly have the capacity to outhit a WTA pro. It's just the disadvantages of a non-tennis-focused upbringing and lack of mental preparation that handicap the male in this matchup.
The people you talk about are not 4.0s. They are junior boys for whom NTRP does not apply. No adult male goes through 4.0 and becomes as good as a WTA player. Saying everyone has the capacity if they did the right things at the right time is not saying much. If they had done it, they would have become elite college players, with 4.0 not even being in their vocabulary.
wings56
Hall of Fame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTzmGNtQswM
thats no warm up with a broken 25 inch junior racquet with nylon strings
thats no warm up with a broken 25 inch junior racquet with nylon strings
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
I remember when I purchased my radar and took it out to the courts. Most people, as has been said in this thread already, over-estimated their serves. Nothing has changed since, and I now live at a tennis club with 23 courts and players that range from weekend warrior to lower-level pros (male and female). From pre-teen to players in their 70's.
Most players, from what I recall back then, hit mostly in the 70-80 mph range, and this was with no pressure, and not worrying about placement. Majority of the serves didn't even land in the box. Only a few hit over 90.
As for the woman debate, I have never recorded a woman hit 100+ in the rec level. Not saying there are women out there who can't do it.
Most players, from what I recall back then, hit mostly in the 70-80 mph range, and this was with no pressure, and not worrying about placement. Majority of the serves didn't even land in the box. Only a few hit over 90.
As for the woman debate, I have never recorded a woman hit 100+ in the rec level. Not saying there are women out there who can't do it.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
I would drink beers with LeeD and talk about the glory days of 100 mph goat serves.
marosmith
Professional
This is 100% correct.
is there any interest here to have an audio/video conference with Lee? 100mph serves, motorcross, surfing the big wave, throwing football 100 yards etc..... should be a fun event...
I can host, Lee will be the guest speaker, then we open up for free format discussion.
beernutz
Hall of Fame
You and President are free to defend him just like I and several others are free to call him on his B.S.
As far as funny goes, I guess we have very different senses of humor as he is only unintentionally funny to me. Maybe reposting an example of some of his intentional humor would help?
