HC is the reason why Nadal can't be the goat!

JackGates

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Because, historically the toughest competition was on HC and is now too. And it shows.
Fed won only 11 HC titles compared to 8 W titles and yet he has double the chances to win.

Why is competition tougher? Because HC is 70% and everybody focuses their games on HC.
Just look that most great players in this era are all hard courters. Roddick, Safin, Wawrinka, Murray, Djokovic, Hewitt. All are the toughest on HC, that's why it's so hard to win on hard courts.

All time greats historically all focused their games for HC and for grass. All things aren't equal. Learning Chinese is tougher than English, why? Because you have simple alphabet in English, in Chinese every word is almost an entire picture, you have to learn basically thousands of pictures to read. Winning on hard courts is the toughest, because competition is way tougher there.

Even if you remove Nadal in this era, Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, Murray still aren't that great on clay, that they would be winning multiple RG titles. But if you remove Fed, Safin, Roddick, Hewit become basically all time greats, so the argument that Nadal stopped them is not true. They simply didn't focus their game on clay. Why is it so hard to win WTF? Because everybody is so good on hard courts, especially indoor where conditions are perfect, so no luck factor.

Remove Fed and Nadal and you will see that top guys in this era still have greater stats on HC than on clay, this proves that competition on HC is the toughest. And why would we even need evidence, it's common sense that it will be so, when it's 70% and the biggest change to win titles.
 
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This only means one thing...
Soderling is real goat...
And fun aside, nadal has no claim to overall goat, as 99.34% of his game and success is at clay..
By any means, no one can deny that he is clay goat, but not overall
 
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What are you talking about, this is coming from a huge Nadal fan. I honestly think that his HC game has flaws. He is still one of the greats, after all, he did win 4 HC slams and made tons of final, that is impressive, but we are talking about the goat here. Hard courts is another league compared to grass and clay.
 
This only means one thing...
Soderling is real goat...
And fun aside, nadal has no claim to overall goat, as 99.34% of his game and success is at clay..
By any means, no one can deny that he is clay goat, but not overall
I really don't care who the goat is, for me it's more about the debate. I just think that top HC players need to get more credit that they deserve.

Tell me, if what I'm saying is wrong, why does Sampras have only 7 HC titles compared to grass, even when there are twice as many HC majors. Simple, competition is light years ahead on hard courts.
 
No competition on clay? Serious??

Just look at the last 20 years at RG, we had ATG's like Gaudio, Costa, Ferrero and Kafelnikov winning titles there!

Even Bruguera, for crying out loud! No competition. Sheesh.
Ok, I didn't mean no competition, I used those words for poetic effect. My point is that Hard Courts have even tougher competition and a lot.
 
Because, historically the toughest competition was on HC and is now too. And it shows.
Fed won only 11 HC titles compared to 8 W titles and yet he has double the chances to win.

Why is competition tougher? Because HC is 70% and everybody focuses their games on HC.
Just look that most great players in this era are all hard courters. Roddick, Safin, Wawrinka, Murray, Djokovic, Hewitt. All are the toughest on HC, that's why it's so hard to win on hard courts.

All time greats historically all focused their games for HC and for grass. All things aren't equal. Learning Chinese is tougher than English, why? Because you have simple alphabet in English, in Chinese every word is almost an entire picture, you have to learn basically thousands of pictures to read. Winning on hard courts is the toughest, because competition is way tougher there.

Even if you remove Nadal in this era, Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, Murray still aren't that great on clay, that they would be winning multiple RG titles. But if you remove Fed, Safin, Roddick, Hewit become basically all time greats, so the argument that Nadal stopped them is not true. They simply didn't focus their game on clay. Why is it so hard to win WTF? Because everybody is so good on hard courts, especially indoor where conditions are perfect, so no luck factor.

Remove Fed and Nadal and you will see that top guys in this era still have greater stats on HC than on clay, this proves that competition on HC is the toughest. And why would we even need evidence, it's common sense that it will be so, when it's 70% and the biggest change to win titles.

Oki doki.

If Nadal can’t be goat on account of lack of success on hard, Fed can’t with even less success on clay.

By your reasoning Fed’s grass performance means least of all because in this era hardly anyone trains or plays on it.

Furthermore, if HC success determines everything let’s chuck out that old sod Borg who only won on the two least competitive surfaces.

So what are we left with after getting rid of the above flawed champs?

Sampras?
Useless. Even more awful than Fed.

Djokovic?
A few clay masters but only 1 RG. Delete.

Laver?
Did they even have surfaces back then? Didn’t real men back in the day politely toss the ball between themselves having cigarettes and tea breaks?

Right.

There’s no goat.
Everyone is terrible.

Perhaps @Red Rick is correct.

Fognini is GOAT.
 
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I hear it's better to start these sorts of threads with, "As a Federer and Nadal fan..."
"as a federer and nadal fan, i think djokovic sucks and is an overrated joke."
see? you can still be offensive with that introduction, even if it is completely truthful :D
 
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