Head 360+ Extreme MP vs. Pure Aero / Extreme Tour / Blade 16x19 v7

[Ryebread]

Starting tomorrow, I will be playing with the Head 360+ Extreme MP.

Quick Summary on the Head 360+ Extreme:
The Extreme line is all about SPIN.
The MP is basically a Pure Aero. Both 100.
The Tour is a Pure Aero VS. Both 98. But the Tour was closer to a Blade, for me, but less stable.
There is an Extreme PRO, in Eu. That is the same mold as the MP.
The MP and PRO, have ridiculous spin, like the Pure Aero.
The Tour has far less spin, and is more of a control stick.

You are welcome to add anything to the thread regarding the Extreme 360+ MP or Tour, the MP vs. Tour. And obviously, please chime in with notes on the MP vs. the other sticks you have played with!

Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr


Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr


Here is my story:

Primary racquet is Blade v7 16x19, 52/51 lbs, 18 gauge cyclone.
I pulled Blades out of a bunch, to find what I wanted, spec wise.
After going with 18 gauge (lightens the hoop) and only adding an overgrip:
Blade: 327 / 11.50 and 32.75 CM. Perfect for me.

I cheated on the Blade all of last week, when I only used a Pure Aero (current version)!
I am more of a control racquet guy. But I can add additional brushing up on the ball, to dial in a medium powered racquet (windshield wiper).
This is what I had to do with the PA. I was killing with the additional power and spin!
I was getting tons of free points on my serve, my 2HBH was dynamite, and I was putting tons of pressure on my advanced opponents... with the PA.
I was playing with 17 gauge cyclone, a heavy OG, and I put some weight in the handle:
Pure Aero: 330 / 11.64 and 33 cm balance

I was about to order a second one. And the very next day, started to get a little sore.
I always play 5x a week. So, it wasn't additional time on court.
After one week of hitting with the Pure Aero, I decided to put it down for this week.
The blade is very comfy, and doesn't have any weaknesses for me....
but I was seriously gelling with the PA.
I did some homework, and ended up purchasing the Extreme MP 360+.

Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr

Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr

Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr

Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr


Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr

Extreme MP 360+, which on paper, is almost identical to the Pure Aero:

1. Both are 300 gram unstrung
2. 318 grams strung EMP, 317 grams for the PA
3. 3pt HL EMP, 4pt HL PA
4. 23/26/21 EMP, 23,26,23 PA, little more feel from the EMP perhaps!
5. 66 RA for EMP, 67 RA for PA, good
6. Both advertised as MEDIUM power
7. Both want a fast, long swing
8. 325 SW for EMP, 324 SW for PA, good
9. Both have spin grommets
10. Both racquets produce ridiculous amts of spin
11. Both are 16x19 and 100 sq in.

Balance: the slightly heavier head in the EMP, gives me an additional 3 grams that I can add to the handle of the EMP, to get it more HL. Which for me, is good, I want to weight it up a bit anyhow, and get it close to 326/11.50/33cm.

The hoop is said to be more stable in the MP, than the Extreme Tour. Evidence is your beam size, balance, and weight, see below here. The Tour's hoop is very thin, and light.

The Extreme Tour 360+ is a VERY interesting stick. 305 grams unstrung. 6pts HL. 21/23/21. 318 SW. Low power. 16x19, 98". I did play with this a few times. It is more of a control stick, it's like a Blade with a little more pop. VERY tight 16x19. VERY headlight. I would have to add lead to the hoop. It was too unstable for me, against 4.5 and 5.0. Nice feel. And GREAT control. Pretty good spin, but no PA or no Extreme MP, though. x
Forehands were dialed in. I could swing ALL OUT. No put-away or extra gear, for little bit of extra, when you want it.
The tour is so head light, that my 2hbh suffers. With the PA or Blade, my 2hbh is super strong and effective.
Serve was good with the tour, but not like my Blade, and certainly not like the PA!
It got pushed around a bit vs. the more advanced opponents.
So it was obvious it needed more stability up top. I only modify with weight in the handle. Hence my go with the EMP, here.

So my plan was to get an on-spec MP. And then weigh the handle a bit, to reach where the PA was, and my Blade. Maybe come in a little lighter, which would be ok, this is a stable hoop.
All of the Extreme grips run small. So I went with two OG.
And I put 2 grams under the door. Here are the specs:

Strung with 17 Gauge poly
315 / 11.11 / 33.76 (same exact weight of the Tour, but way more head heavy/more stable)

Plus 1 heavy OG
320 / 11.29 / 33.56

Plus a light OG
324

Then I added about three grams under the door....

Final weigh-in for the Extreme 360+ MP:
326 / 11.50 and 33 cm balance

After these VERY minor tweaks to the new MP, I'll start with her tomorrow. Depending on how the balance feels, I should be done.


More notes on the Extreme Tour:
If one loves the tour, with all of that control, and need more stability, try adding 2 grams at both 3/9. Then add 2-4 grams under the door, to get your balance right.
For me, I was addicted to the additional madness I was creating with the Pure Aero. So I wanted that extra spin, that the MP generates, over the Tour.
And I was able to accept the fact that I would need to counter balance the head heavy MP, by adding the weight to the handle, which I have done.
The tour needs a little pop, so I would go 17 gauge normally or even 18, but then it just makes the stick ridiculously HL, and possibly less stable.
So I'd go 16g or 16L at around 49 or 50 lbs, with a lively string.
I did love this Tour, and if I always played with 3.5 or 4.0, I think the Tour would work well for me. Or if I was into using lead tape in the hoop.
It's a more comfortable Pure Aero VS, in my view. Very comfortable and easy to play with.

After adding two over grips, to fix the grip size issue. And two cotton balls under the door:

My Tour Demo:
324 / 11.43 and 32 1/10 cm balance


With the Extreme MP:
It's got the pop already. So I am thinking a more dead poly, at around 53 lbs.
But I went with Head Lynx Tour 17g 1.25, which is pretty lively, so I went with 54 in the mains and 53 in the crosses.
Lynx Tour has good tension maintenance. And has a VERY good spin rating!
I may go lower in tension a bit, if I can. But wanted to start out on the control side of the spectrum.
With two OG, and the slightly lower RA (vs. the PA) the EMP should be comfy enough for me.
I will play with it 5x this week. And will keep you posted on how this experience works out for me!

I feel that the tour or mp will work for many people, in stock form.
For the tinkerer?
Either can be modified to work for you.
Unstrung, the tour is 305 grams, 318 swing weight, low power, with above average spin potential. Better for flat hitters!
Unstrung, the mp is the 300 grams, 325 swing weight, medium power, with insane spin potential. Little more pop and plow. Better for those who hit with a fully modern swing.


FWIW Stuff:

I had my pick from several MPs and they were all in spec or very close to spec!!!

However, the grips are definitely all too small, not as advertised. I have only tested the tour and the MP. All too small. I have used over 45 racquets in the past year. I have never seen an issue across-the-board like this one. No big deal though.

YES I got gray overgrips for the MP. The pics are not showing you a new stick with an old ratty white OG. That is a NEW gray one! LOL.
And I even found gray finishing tape someone else out there, will appreciate this... I hope.

Most of you are advanced and know what you're doing.
but for the noobs:

adding weight to the handle is easy:
either you temporarily remove the original grip, all the way down to near the final spot where it's attached... leave it attached!
put a few strips of lead tape to the handle all the way down just before the bottom.
You will cut a few 4 inch strips of the half-inch lead tape. Each strip will be 1 g.
AND/OR
opening the trap door with a tiny screw driver and putting in weight there, like cotton balls, silicone, putty, whatever.
easy to modify, nothing is permanent, or even visible.

the stock head butt cap is actually like 4 or 7 grams something like that. It is weighted to be the same weight of a sensored butt cap, which is brilliant.

Extreme Pro:
There is a pro version (in Eu, not USA) which is actually a 315 gram racquet, unstrung! 31.5 CM balance, 7pts HL! 332 grams strung, plus your OG, you're at 335, too much for me, even with all that HL.
So for now, the MP (with my subtle tweaks) is my Pro!

 

[Dasol]

Thanks for sharing! I am also interested in the Extreme MP and Tour, and I have played with Blade 98 as well.
I am looking forward to hearing more from you!

 

[esm]

Starting tomorrow, I will be playing with the Head 360+ Extreme MP.

Quick Summary on the Head 360+ Extreme:
The Extreme line is all about SPIN.
The MP is basically a Pure Aero. Both 100.
The Tour is a Pure Aero VS. Both 98. But the Tour was closer to a Blade, for me, but less stable.
There is an Extreme PRO, in Eu. That is the same mold as the MP.
The MP and PRO, have ridiculous spin, like the Pure Aero.
The Tour has far less spin, and is more of a control stick.

You are welcome to add anything to the thread regarding the Extreme 360+ MP or Tour, the MP vs. Tour. And obviously, please chime in with notes on the MP vs. the other sticks you have played with!

Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr


Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr


Here is my story:

Primary racquet is Blade v7 16x19, 52/51 lbs, 18 gauge cyclone.
I pulled Blades out of a bunch, to find what I wanted, spec wise.
After going with 18 gauge (lightens the hoop) and only adding an overgrip:
Blade: 327 / 11.50 and 32.75 CM. Perfect for me.

I cheated on the Blade all of last week, when I only used a Pure Aero (current version)!
I am more of a control racquet guy. But I can add additional brushing up on the ball, to dial in a medium powered racquet (windshield wiper).
This is what I had to do with the PA. I was killing with the additional power and spin!
I was getting tons of free points on my serve, my 2HBH was dynamite, and I was putting tons of pressure on my advanced opponents... with the PA.
I was playing with 17 gauge cyclone, a heavy OG, and I put some weight in the handle:
Pure Aero: 330 / 11.64 and 33 cm balance

I was about to order a second one. And the very next day, started to get a little sore.
I always play 5x a week. So, it wasn't additional time on court.
After one week of hitting with the Pure Aero, I decided to put it down for this week.
The blade is very comfy, and doesn't have any weaknesses for me....
but I was seriously gelling with the PA.
I did some homework, and ended up purchasing the Extreme MP 360+.

Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr

Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr

Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr

Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr

Extreme MP 360+, which on paper, is almost identical to the Pure Aero:

1. Both are 300 gram unstrung
2. 318 grams strung EMP, 317 grams for the PA
3. 3pt HL EMP, 4pt HL PA
4. 23/26/21 EMP, 23,26,23 PA, little more feel from the EMP perhaps!
5. 66 RA for EMP, 67 RA for PA, good
6. Both advertised as MEDIUM power
7. Both want a fast, long swing
8. 325 SW for EMP, 324 SW for PA, good
9. Both have spin grommets
10. Both racquets produce ridiculous amts of spin
11. Both are 16x19 and 100 sq in.

Balance: the slightly heavier head in the EMP, gives me an additional 3 grams that I can add to the handle of the EMP, to get it more HL. Which for me, is good, I want to weight it up a bit anyhow, and get it close to 326/11.50/33cm.

The hoop is said to be more stable in the MP, than the Extreme Tour. Evidence is your beam size, balance, and weight, see below here. The Tour's hoop is very thin, and light.

The Extreme Tour 360+ is a VERY interesting stick. 305 grams unstrung. 6pts HL. 21/23/21. 320 SW. Low power. 16x19 98". I did play with this a few times. It is more of a control stick, it's like a Blade with a little more pop. VERY tight 16x19. VERY headlight. I would have to add lead to the hoop. It was too unstable for me, against 4.5 and 5.0. Nice feel. And GREAT control. Pretty good spin, but no PA or no Extreme MP, though. x
Forehands were dialed in. I could swing ALL OUT. No put-away or extra gear, for little bit of extra, when you want it.
The tour is so head light, that my 2hbh suffers. With the PA or Blade, my 2hbh is super strong and effective.
Serve was good with the tour, but not like my Blade, and certainly not like the PA!
It got pushed around a bit vs. the more advanced opponents.
So it was obvious it needed more stability up top. I only modify with weight in the handle. Hence my go with the EMP, here.

So my plan was to get an on-spec MP. And then weigh the handle a bit, to reach where the PA was, and my Blade. Maybe come in a little lighter, which would be ok, this is a stable hoop.
All of the Extreme grips run small. So I went with two OG.
And I put 2 grams under the door. Here are the specs:

Strung with 17 Gauge poly
315 / 11.11 / 33.76 (same exact weight of the Tour, but way more head heavy/more stable)

Plus 1 heavy OG
320 / 11.29 / 33.56

Plus a light OG
324

Then I added about three grams under the door....

Final weigh-in for the Extreme 360+ MP:
327 / 11.50 and 33 cm balance

After these VERY minor tweaks to the new MP, I'll start with her tomorrow. Depending on how the balance feels, I should be done.
FWIW the pro version (in Eu) is actually a 315 gram racquet, unstrung! 31.5 CM balance, 7pts HL! 332 grams strung, plus your OG, you're at 335, too much for me, even with all that HL.
So my MP plus little mods, is my Pro!


More notes on the Extreme Tour:
If one loves the tour, with all of that control, and need more stability, try adding 2 grams at both 3/9. Then add 2-4 grams under the door, to get your balance right.
For me, I was addicted to the additional madness I was creating with the Pure Aero. So I wanted that extra spin, that the MP generates, over the Tour.
And I was able to accept the fact that I would need to counter balance the head heavy MP, by adding the weight to the handle, which I have done.
The tour needs a little pop, so I would go 17 gauge normally or even 18, but then it just makes the stick ridiculously HL, and possibly less stable.
So I'd go 16g or 16L at around 49 or 50 lbs, with a lively string.
I did love this Tour, and if I always played with 3.5 or 4.0, I think the Tour would work well for me. Or if I was into using lead tape in the hoop.
It's a more comfortable Pure Aero VS, in my view. Very comfortable and easy to play with.

After adding two over grips, to fix the grip size issue. And two cotton balls under the door:

My Tour Demo:
324 / 11.43 and 32 1/10 cm balance


With the Extreme MP:
It's got the pop already. So I am thinking a more dead poly, at around 53 lbs.
But I went with Head Lynx Tour 17g 1.25, which is pretty lively, so I went with 54 in the mains and 53 in the crosses.
Lynx Tour has good tension maintenance. And has a VERY good spin rating!
I may go lower in tension a bit, if I can. But wanted to start out on the control side of the spectrum.
With two OG, and the slightly lower RA (vs. the PA) the EMP should be comfy enough for me.
I will play with it 5x this week. And will keep you posted on how this experience works out for me!


FWIW Stuff:

YES I got gray over grips for the MP. The pics are not showing you a new stick with an old ratty white OG. That is a NEW gray one! LOL.
And I even found gray finishing tape someone else out there, will appreciate this... I hope.

Most of you are advanced and know what you're doing.
but for the noobs:

adding weight to the handle is easy:
either you temporarily back the original grip, all the way down to the final spot where it's attached...
put a few strips of lead tape to the handle all the way down at the bottom.
AND/OR
opening the trap door with a tiny screw driver and putting in weight there, like cotton balls, silicone, putty, whatever.
easy to modify, nothing is permanent, or even visible.

the stock head butt cap is actually like 4 or 7 grams something like that. It is weighted to be the same weight of a sensored butt cap, which is brilliant.

Good stuff. Always good info from your posts!
Good timing too - I might have an EMP coming this week (I think) Lol

 

[Ryebread]

Good stuff. Always good info from your posts!
Good timing too - I might have an EMP coming this week (I think) Lol

An EMP for ESM!
What are you playing with recently?

 

[tennis347]

I am really impressed with your reviews of these frames! However, I really loving super plush feel of the reverse Blade v7 98 16 x 19 along with the superb ball pocketing with the soft flex. At 54, I will be able to play 20 years plus with the comfort I getting with the Blade. I am looking for an in between racquet that it's a tad easier to use and just bought a Clash 98. Looking forward to the soft feel with the Clash for the hot days when I am getting a bit fatigued. Otherwise, the Blade is my main stick!! There are not many racquets made today that replicate the soft Blade feel. Can you think of any besides the Clash and maybe the PK Black Ace along with the Angell k7 red???

 

[Ryebread]

I am really impressed with your reviews of these frames! However, I really loving super plush feel of the reverse Blade v7 98 16 x 19 along with the superb ball pocketing with the soft flex. At 54, I will be able to play 20 years plus with the comfort I getting with the Blade. I am looking for an in between racquet that it's a tad easier to use and just bought a Clash 98. Looking forward to the soft feel with the Clash for the hot days when I am getting a bit fatigued. Otherwise, the Blade is my main stick!! There are not many racquets made today that replicate the soft Blade feel. Can you think of any besides the Clash and maybe the PK Black Ace along with the Angell k7 red???

the V7 is amazing
I play with poly
If I string it after ten hours - I’m good
Amazing offering from Wilson

I had a lot of court time with that clash 98 too!
It strangely doesn’t feel as ultimately plush, like the Blade. But it’s soft obviously. Start at 51lbs.

I took many years off tennis until Covid. So I am only familiar with the current range of sticks!

I know Dunlap and Prince each have an option or two! Head has the Gravity. Also the Speed feels plush - like a blade almost! I love the Speed MP!

cheers!

 

[tennis347]

the V7 is amazing
I play with poly
If I string it after ten hours - I’m good
Amazing offering from Wilson

I had a lot of court time with that clash 98 too!
It strangely doesn’t feel as ultimately plush, like the Blade. But it’s soft obviously. Start at 51lbs.

I took many years off tennis until Covid. So I am only familiar with the current range of sticks!

I know Dunlap and Prince each have an option or two! Head has the Gravity. Also the Speed feels plush - like a blade almost! I love the Speed MP!

cheers!

I only play with synthetic strings these days and Blade plays with a basic synthetic string like Gosen Micro 16 at 54lbs. I have played with the Clash 98 before and agree that it is not as plush feeling as the V7 Blade. I used Wilson Sensation 16 at 53lbs on the Clash.

I have not hit with any Head frames for many years and played exclusively with the Prestige Classic 600 in the mid to late 90's and this was a fairly plush feeling frame. Happy hitting!

 

[Ryebread]

The spin grommets look unique! Look at the top, how it allows them to slide around.

Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr

Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr

Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr

 

[esm]

An EMP for ESM!
What are you playing with recently?

Lol. I don’t know anymore. I have only played twice or three times since our first lockdown in March last year.....

 

[Ryebread]

Took a bag of sticks to the court today and only used the Extreme MP 360+

Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr

After my first 90 minutes with the Extreme MP 360+ (EMP)
First Impressions:

1. Strung yesterday with 16G @ 54 lbs mains / 53 lb crosses Head lynx tour. this is a little tighter than normal for me. I would typically be at 52/51 for an initial stringing. After about 35 minutes, I started to find what I wanted. So I guess it was a fair place to start. But I'm not sure on this string, for this stick. I am going to try Cyclone next, 17G at the same tension or MAYBE 53/52.

2. Forehand felt like less power than the PA, until the strings livened up a bit after the initial go. Somewhere between the PA and Speed MP, maybe. Good control when you apply a modern swing. Too flat, and it'll sail. It has that extra gear, which I love now, after my week with the PA (last week). Love this gear, for putting away a cross court shot from the corner! Good spin, for sure, but not as good as the PA, which I had strung with Cyclone. I think Cyclone is better for spin than Lynx Tour.

3. For my 2HBH, once the strings were broken in, was very whippy and powerful, like the PA. Probably a close second to the PA, right around the Blade v7 16x19 for best 2hbh. I think it'll be closer or the same, once I get the string/tension dialed in.

4. Serve was about the same as the Blade for me. Second best to the PA, with regard to power and placement. Again, tension may be too high, and string not the same. Will update on Monday next week after I cut out the Lynx Tour strings.

5. Return was a different story. I thought the return was amazing with the EMP. Either taking 3/4 swings or blocking, I was dialed in and doing damage.

6. Volleys were GREAT. The PA was great too. Both a little better than the Blade.

7. Touch was surprisingly very good. A fair bit better than with the PA. Possibly a little better than the Blade, for me.

8. Comfort was about what I expected. Considering that I have two overgrips on (b/c of the grip size issue), and slightly tighter tension... I can say that comfort will be almost identical to the Speed MP 360+, for me. Which is a good thing. A lot better than a PA, not as plush as a Blade v7 16x19.

9. Power. A notch above the Extreme Tour. And probably identical to the PA, once I dial in the tension.


I'm fairly optimistic about this stick, for me. It took a 2-3 days for the PA to win me over. And this time, I didn't choose the right string for me. So I'll KIT.

 

[agu]

I know Dunlap and Prince each have an option or two! Head has the Gravity. Also the Speed feels plush - like a blade almost! I love the Speed MP!

cheers!

Hi, which speed mp is your favourite? 360+?
I have the blade v7 and I'm looking for the speed as a complement on my bag.

What are the main differences between them?

 

[Ryebread]

Hi, which speed mp is your favourite? 360+?
I have the blade v7 and I'm looking for the speed as a complement on my bag.

What are the main differences between them?

The 360+ is.
Speed MP. vs Blade v7 16x19?

the speed gives you the impression that it has more free power, but not very much!

the speed swings easier through the air.

the speed has a larger sweet spot.

the speed can be a control frame, like the blade IMO, with an extra LB/higher tension. it's relatively comfy for a 64 RA.

the blade has a more muted, plush, and comfy feel to it. but again, the speed is not stiff, it feels very nice and on the plush side of the spectrum. just not as far as the blade.

the speed has better stability against heavy hitters, it's solid at digging up low balls and bringing down high balls.

the blade is not as good for digging up low balls IMO.

the balance and the swing weight on both is supposed to be the same, but it's more about finding the "right one" with the spec you want, and then balancing it a smidge with an OG, the way you apply your OG, and Gauge of string etc. They are close!

overall weight, the speed is supposed to be 5 grams lighter, but again, that is all dependent on QC and how you buy it.

better access to spin with the speed mp, for sure.

I have a speed mp that is 320 grams and 32 1/4 CM, with 17G and an OG
I have a blade 16x19 it is 320 grams and 33 CM, with 19G and an OG
so if you get on spec sticks, you can make the speed mp MORE headlight, easier.

I could pick up and play with a Gravity Tour, Blade v7 16x19, Speed MP, and not have any issues. They are all relatively close. Less power in the Gravity Tour. The Speed MP is worth a play test. Just get it dialed in, it may be too light in stock form.

hope this helps

 

[SinneGOAT]

That reverse blade is so much better in pictures than online. Awesome review! My question is why the higher tension for the blade? Personally I use low tension for most racquets with poly, do you deal with the control good?

 

[Ryebread]

That reverse blade is so much better in pictures than online. Awesome review! My question is why the higher tension for the blade? Personally I use low tension for most racquets with poly, do you deal with the control good?

I am not huge on either pj, but I guess I actually prefer the reverse!

I just checked, and I'm hitting with 18L in the Blade right now.
I've hit with 18G.
I had 19 gauge in there at times, b/c I was trying to make it more HL.
and I had put enough weight in the handle, to max out my static weight needs.

Blade v7 16x19, 52/51 lbs, 18L gauge cyclone.
I restring after a week, or 8-10 hours.
If this is high tension, perhaps it's b/c I'm hitting with lighter gauge strings, which have more energy return.
also the lighter gauge usually means more spin.

for example:

17g cyclone has a spin rating of 5.8 and 84 for power and 48 for tension loss and 191 stiffness
19g cyclone has a spin rating of 9.0 and 88 for power and 30 for tension loss and 188 stiffness

 

[dgoran]

Hey Rye did you try vcore 95 or 98 or 100?

How is Blade 16x19 and Speed MP and Speed Pro vs Extreme Tour?

 

[Ryebread]

Hey Rye did you try vcore 95 or 98 or 100?

How is Blade 16x19 and Speed MP and Speed Pro vs Extreme Tour?

Hey there.

I had all three of the new Vcore V6 on demo for a week 95 98 100
they were all nice frame IMO.
the 98 would be my pic. I may go back and demo that one again.
My game has advanced so much from summer to today.
I took off SEVERAL years off, until covid.
then I started playing 2x a week during spring, 4x a week during summer.
5x a week during fall/winter/spring 2021, so I need to revisit some frames I played with last year!

The 100 is close to a PA, for power, but a smidge less. not as much spin, but great spin!
The 100 was really stable for a 100, insanity, how stable it was actually! They nailed this one.
The 100 was a crisp, but a lot easier on the arm, vs. the PA, for sure.

The 98 feels closer to the Blade, but less power. They have the same power on paper, but not on court.
The 98 is more stable.
They both have a muted feel.
The 98 feels crisp or close to it, but not too stiff IMO, doable!
The blade has a more plush feeling.
The 98 didn't have that put away power that I wanted from it.
The Blade doesn't have that extra gear of power, either, but IIRC, the blade hits a heavier ball than the 98. Perhaps that can be fixed with tension. I didn't play around with strings.
I LOVED the balance of the 98, especially when compared with a blade! more HL.
The 98 had a bigger sweet spot, than the blade.
I may try this again, now that I think about it.

The 95 is not my thing. I didn't use it too much, but it was exactly what you would expect, a more accurate version of the 98, with even less power.
All control and feel.

--

I have these in order of power to control:
Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr

hope this helps.
what are you up to?

 

[dgoran]

I think I am up to finding a racquet that keeps me competitive without much effort. Kind of falls right in the same category of racquets you are considering. Something easier to use. So far vcore 98 and extreme tour 98 are my favorites.
Love my ex pro tour (now 2.0 ) but that ship has sailed if I want to compete with 4.5 and above i need lighter quicker frame these days.
Had very good success with the new pure drive and ezone 98 and 100 but eventually start missing old school head light thin beam racquets. I found that phantom 97p is a good middle ground but definitely More tiring than say extreme tour 98.

I never thought of trying speeds but now I will try speed pro and mp and see if they provide that middle ground of old school feel with modern easy pop in an light easy to maneuver package.

 

[Ryebread]

I think I am up to finding a racquet that keeps me competitive without much effort. Kind of falls right in the same category of racquets you are considering. Something easier to use. So far vcore 98 and extreme tour 98 are my favorites.
Love my ex pro tour (now 2.0 ) but that ship has sailed if I want to compete with 4.5 and above i need lighter quicker frame these days.
Had very good success with the new pure drive and ezone 98 and 100 but eventually start missing old school head light thin beam racquets. I found that phantom 97p is a good middle ground but definitely More tiring than say extreme tour 98.

I never thought of trying speeds but now I will try speed pro and mp and see if they provide that middle ground of old school feel with modern easy pop in an light easy to maneuver package.

are you worried about being too sluggish with the speed pro?
if so, the speed mp, with a 17 gauge or even lighter, and overgrip, and a few grams in the handle will check these boxes:

1. stable hoop
2. headlight, once you do those little mods... you can get to around 32.6
3. good access to spin, not a PA though, but solid access to spin
4. good on both sides
you'll have to figure out if it works with your serve and at the net

basically I weighted the handle of mine to be close to the total static weight of the pro, and just as HL I believe.
but the pro doesn't have enough power, less than a blade for me.

the pro is closer to the gravity tour, for me. I own a tour.
it's boring to me. I can smash the ball all day, and not hit any winners against 4.5 players. no extra gear. less than blade.
I went with 49/48, which helped a lot, on the tour, but still no juice!

 

[dgoran]

That helps thank you. I was eyeing speed mp but people seem to love speed pro more...
I'll find out in 2 days when demo gets here...

I also tossed in tfight rs305. Folks are saying good things

 

[beltsman]

Starting tomorrow, I will be playing with the Head 360+ Extreme MP.

Quick Summary on the Head 360+ Extreme:
The Extreme line is all about SPIN.
The MP is basically a Pure Aero. Both 100.
The Tour is a Pure Aero VS. Both 98. But the Tour was closer to a Blade, for me, but less stable.
There is an Extreme PRO, in Eu. That is the same mold as the MP.
The MP and PRO, have ridiculous spin, like the Pure Aero.
The Tour has far less spin, and is more of a control stick.

You are welcome to add anything to the thread regarding the Extreme 360+ MP or Tour, the MP vs. Tour. And obviously, please chime in with notes on the MP vs. the other sticks you have played with!

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Here is my story:

Primary racquet is Blade v7 16x19, 52/51 lbs, 18 gauge cyclone.
I pulled Blades out of a bunch, to find what I wanted, spec wise.
After going with 18 gauge (lightens the hoop) and only adding an overgrip:
Blade: 327 / 11.50 and 32.75 CM. Perfect for me.

I cheated on the Blade all of last week, when I only used a Pure Aero (current version)!
I am more of a control racquet guy. But I can add additional brushing up on the ball, to dial in a medium powered racquet (windshield wiper).
This is what I had to do with the PA. I was killing with the additional power and spin!
I was getting tons of free points on my serve, my 2HBH was dynamite, and I was putting tons of pressure on my advanced opponents... with the PA.
I was playing with 17 gauge cyclone, a heavy OG, and I put some weight in the handle:
Pure Aero: 330 / 11.64 and 33 cm balance

I was about to order a second one. And the very next day, started to get a little sore.
I always play 5x a week. So, it wasn't additional time on court.
After one week of hitting with the Pure Aero, I decided to put it down for this week.
The blade is very comfy, and doesn't have any weaknesses for me....
but I was seriously gelling with the PA.
I did some homework, and ended up purchasing the Extreme MP 360+.

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Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr

Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr

Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr


Untitled by ryan mac, on Flickr

Extreme MP 360+, which on paper, is almost identical to the Pure Aero:

1. Both are 300 gram unstrung
2. 318 grams strung EMP, 317 grams for the PA
3. 3pt HL EMP, 4pt HL PA
4. 23/26/21 EMP, 23,26,23 PA, little more feel from the EMP perhaps!
5. 66 RA for EMP, 67 RA for PA, good
6. Both advertised as MEDIUM power
7. Both want a fast, long swing
8. 325 SW for EMP, 324 SW for PA, good
9. Both have spin grommets
10. Both racquets produce ridiculous amts of spin
11. Both are 16x19 and 100 sq in.

Balance: the slightly heavier head in the EMP, gives me an additional 3 grams that I can add to the handle of the EMP, to get it more HL. Which for me, is good, I want to weight it up a bit anyhow, and get it close to 326/11.50/33cm.

The hoop is said to be more stable in the MP, than the Extreme Tour. Evidence is your beam size, balance, and weight, see below here. The Tour's hoop is very thin, and light.

The Extreme Tour 360+ is a VERY interesting stick. 305 grams unstrung. 6pts HL. 21/23/21. 318 SW. Low power. 16x19, 98". I did play with this a few times. It is more of a control stick, it's like a Blade with a little more pop. VERY tight 16x19. VERY headlight. I would have to add lead to the hoop. It was too unstable for me, against 4.5 and 5.0. Nice feel. And GREAT control. Pretty good spin, but no PA or no Extreme MP, though. x
Forehands were dialed in. I could swing ALL OUT. No put-away or extra gear, for little bit of extra, when you want it.
The tour is so head light, that my 2hbh suffers. With the PA or Blade, my 2hbh is super strong and effective.
Serve was good with the tour, but not like my Blade, and certainly not like the PA!
It got pushed around a bit vs. the more advanced opponents.
So it was obvious it needed more stability up top. I only modify with weight in the handle. Hence my go with the EMP, here.

So my plan was to get an on-spec MP. And then weigh the handle a bit, to reach where the PA was, and my Blade. Maybe come in a little lighter, which would be ok, this is a stable hoop.
All of the Extreme grips run small. So I went with two OG.
And I put 2 grams under the door. Here are the specs:

Strung with 17 Gauge poly
315 / 11.11 / 33.76 (same exact weight of the Tour, but way more head heavy/more stable)

Plus 1 heavy OG
320 / 11.29 / 33.56

Plus a light OG
324

Then I added about three grams under the door....

Final weigh-in for the Extreme 360+ MP:
326 / 11.50 and 33 cm balance

After these VERY minor tweaks to the new MP, I'll start with her tomorrow. Depending on how the balance feels, I should be done.


More notes on the Extreme Tour:
If one loves the tour, with all of that control, and need more stability, try adding 2 grams at both 3/9. Then add 2-4 grams under the door, to get your balance right.
For me, I was addicted to the additional madness I was creating with the Pure Aero. So I wanted that extra spin, that the MP generates, over the Tour.
And I was able to accept the fact that I would need to counter balance the head heavy MP, by adding the weight to the handle, which I have done.
The tour needs a little pop, so I would go 17 gauge normally or even 18, but then it just makes the stick ridiculously HL, and possibly less stable.
So I'd go 16g or 16L at around 49 or 50 lbs, with a lively string.
I did love this Tour, and if I always played with 3.5 or 4.0, I think the Tour would work well for me. Or if I was into using lead tape in the hoop.
It's a more comfortable Pure Aero VS, in my view. Very comfortable and easy to play with.

After adding two over grips, to fix the grip size issue. And two cotton balls under the door:

My Tour Demo:
324 / 11.43 and 32 1/10 cm balance


With the Extreme MP:
It's got the pop already. So I am thinking a more dead poly, at around 53 lbs.
But I went with Head Lynx Tour 17g 1.25, which is pretty lively, so I went with 54 in the mains and 53 in the crosses.
Lynx Tour has good tension maintenance. And has a VERY good spin rating!
I may go lower in tension a bit, if I can. But wanted to start out on the control side of the spectrum.
With two OG, and the slightly lower RA (vs. the PA) the EMP should be comfy enough for me.
I will play with it 5x this week. And will keep you posted on how this experience works out for me!

I feel that the tour or mp will work for many people, in stock form.
For the tinkerer?
Either can be modified to work for you.
Unstrung, the tour is 305 grams, 318 swing weight, low power, with above average spin potential. Better for flat hitters!
Unstrung, the mp is the 300 grams, 325 swing weight, medium power, with insane spin potential. Little more pop and plow. Better for those who hit with a fully modern swing.


FWIW Stuff:

I had my pick from several MPs and they were all in spec or very close to spec!!!

However, the grips are definitely all too small, not as advertised. I have only tested the tour and the MP. All too small. I have used over 45 racquets in the past year. I have never seen an issue across-the-board like this one. No big deal though.

YES I got gray overgrips for the MP. The pics are not showing you a new stick with an old ratty white OG. That is a NEW gray one! LOL.
And I even found gray finishing tape someone else out there, will appreciate this... I hope.

Most of you are advanced and know what you're doing.
but for the noobs:

adding weight to the handle is easy:
either you temporarily remove the original grip, all the way down to near the final spot where it's attached... leave it attached!
put a few strips of lead tape to the handle all the way down just before the bottom.
You will cut a few 4 inch strips of the half-inch lead tape. Each strip will be 1 g.
AND/OR
opening the trap door with a tiny screw driver and putting in weight there, like cotton balls, silicone, putty, whatever.
easy to modify, nothing is permanent, or even visible.

the stock head butt cap is actually like 4 or 7 grams something like that. It is weighted to be the same weight of a sensored butt cap, which is brilliant.

Extreme Pro:
There is a pro version (in Eu, not USA) which is actually a 315 gram racquet, unstrung! 31.5 CM balance, 7pts HL! 332 grams strung, plus your OG, you're at 335, too much for me, even with all that HL.
So for now, the MP (with my subtle tweaks) is my Pro!

Great post! One big difference between the PA and Extreme is the beam shape. The Extreme is much boxier and less "aero." IMO it gives better feel, flex, and control.

 

[beltsman]

I think I am up to finding a racquet that keeps me competitive without much effort. Kind of falls right in the same category of racquets you are considering. Something easier to use. So far vcore 98 and extreme tour 98 are my favorites.
Love my ex pro tour (now 2.0 ) but that ship has sailed if I want to compete with 4.5 and above i need lighter quicker frame these days.
Had very good success with the new pure drive and ezone 98 and 100 but eventually start missing old school head light thin beam racquets. I found that phantom 97p is a good middle ground but definitely More tiring than say extreme tour 98.

I never thought of trying speeds but now I will try speed pro and mp and see if they provide that middle ground of old school feel with modern easy pop in an light easy to maneuver package.

Yes try the Speeds

 

[Ryebread]

Great post! One big difference between the PA and Extreme is the beam shape. The Extreme is much boxier and less "aero." IMO it gives better feel, flex, and control.

Good points, seriously.
What are carrying on with, these days?

 

[beltsman]

Good points, seriously.
What are carrying on with, these days?

My primary is the 360+ Speed MP, but I also use the 360+ Extreme MP.

 

[agu]

The 360+ is.
Speed MP. vs Blade v7 16x19?

the speed gives you the impression that it has more free power, but not very much!

the speed swings easier through the air.

the speed has a larger sweet spot.

the speed can be a control frame, like the blade IMO, with an extra LB/higher tension. it's relatively comfy for a 64 RA.

the blade has a more muted, plush, and comfy feel to it. but again, the speed is not stiff, it feels very nice and on the plush side of the spectrum. just not as far as the blade.

the speed has better stability against heavy hitters, it's solid at digging up low balls and bringing down high balls.

the blade is not as good for digging up low balls IMO.

the balance and the swing weight on both is supposed to be the same, but it's more about finding the "right one" with the spec you want, and then balancing it a smidge with an OG, the way you apply your OG, and Gauge of string etc. They are close!

overall weight, the speed is supposed to be 5 grams lighter, but again, that is all dependent on QC and how you buy it.

better access to spin with the speed mp, for sure.

I have a speed mp that is 320 grams and 32 1/4 CM, with 17G and an OG
I have a blade 16x19 it is 320 grams and 33 CM, with 19G and an OG
so if you get on spec sticks, you can make the speed mp MORE headlight, easier.

I could pick up and play with a Gravity Tour, Blade v7 16x19, Speed MP, and not have any issues. They are all relatively close. Less power in the Gravity Tour. The Speed MP is worth a play test. Just get it dialed in, it may be too light in stock form.

hope this helps

Thank you, certainly it helps, i have the 16*19 V7 I am planning to give it a try to the MP, although I'm hesitant about the MP or the PRO. You have mentioned you felt the pro has less power than the blade, then it wouldn't be for me.. let's see .

 

[n8dawg6]

360 speed pro is really good
new vcore 100 is really good
360/360+ instincts are sleepers
i want to try the 360+ MP

thats how my 2021 has been so far

 

[Ryebread]

You have mentioned you felt the pro has less power than the blade, then it wouldn't be for me.. let's see .

Second thought, the speed pro probably has the same power as a blade or even a smidge more. Close though. Good luck.

 

[Ryebread]

360 speed pro is really good
new vcore 100 is really good
360/360+ instincts are sleepers
i want to try the 360+ MP

thats how my 2021 has been so far

Vcore 100 is amazzzzing

 

[Ryebread]

If a fellow-holic is interested in trading me their clean on-spec Vcore98 or 100 v6 or Speed Pro 360+

for my clean Speed Mp 360+ Black. Or Gravity Pro 360+ Or Blade v7 16x19 Black?

4-3/8
USA

I LOVE these sticks. But I want to sell one my extras. And have all the frames!

 

[n8dawg6]

Vcore 100 is amazzzzing

ive been tryin to tell yall this! i was on the playtest.

 

[Ryebread]

ive been tryin to tell yall this! i was on the playtest.

I remember you being in love with it from the jump.
I had one at launch as well. I was coming from a 305 down to a 300, thinking it would help me recover from a wrist injury.
I eventually learned that it was the luxilon smart strings - stiffen up too much on me, and hurt my wrist.
eventually went with the 98 vcore, but they are both excellent.

the thing about that 100....
somehow, it's stability is a 10/10, for it being a 100 frame and spin/power monster.
incredible pkg.

 

[SeeBallHitFence]

If a fellow-holic is interested in trading me their clean on-spec Vcore98 or 100 v6 or Speed Pro 360+

for my clean Speed Mp 360+ Black. Or Gravity Pro 360+ Or Blade v7 16x19 Black?

4-3/8
USA

I LOVE these sticks. But I want to sell one my extras. And have all the frames!

sent PM

 

[Pekoms]

I have the Speed MP 360+ and it's an excelent racket. I didn't go for the pro because of the string pattern 18x20. With some lead to make it heavier is a hell of a racket.

Currently strung with Solinco Revolution, but I'll try solinco confidential next time.

 

[Ryebread]

Today was day two hitting with the Extreme MP 360+

More of the same. it's a solid option for me. nothing to add, from my initial hit.

-

The EMP is pretty close to the Pure Aero and Yonex Vcore 100 v6. All three of these are stable, powerful, spin monsters.

Most to Least Stability: VCORE / AERO / EMP
But they are all stable enough for 4.0/4.5 for sure.

Without the weight I added to the handle, I couldn't play with the EMP, too head heavy for me, it swings like a club (stock).

I decided I will cut out the head lynx tour strings, 54/53 17G
I will string it with cyclone 18L tonight 53/52, and report back after my hit tomorrow.

17g lynx tour vs 18L cyclone:
spin 7.1 vs 9.0
power 90 vs 88
stiff 218 vs 188
tension loss 24 vs 30

so fair amt of more spin/bite with the 18L cyclone, smidge less power, less stiff as well.
better tension maintenance for the lynx tour, but I string weekly (for my primary).

-

After the first set, with the EMP, we started playing rally points.
And I mixed up the EMP and my Blade v7 16x19 after each game (up to 21).

The blade, man it feels so solid on contact. And intoxicating to swing all out with.

The blade I played with today has 19G cyclone at 53/52 and it is a dream.
there is SOOOOO much spin from 19G cyclone that it's a completely different racquet!
must try guys!
I will go 52/51 next time, b/c now I crave that put-away power that I can get from the EMP or PA.
After that, if it's not enough, I may go 51/50.

 

[caesar66]

This is a really helpful thread. I was looking for a PA and have an option to trade for an EMP, and this is the info I was looking for.

 

[MrAvocado232]

Nice thread!, currently i have one gravity tour and one wilson blade v6 18x20 countervail on my bag, bought really nice racquets, the gravity tour is so forgiving my 2 hbh is so regular with it, the blade on the other hand delivers tremendous confidence to hit with speed and force but it feels too much like a board, I had not been able to compare the opposite sensation to "stiff" in a racquet, i think that plush is the term, but now the gravity has allowed me to know it and it is a really pleasant sensation. I want to add a new racket to my bag to know new sensations, maybe it could be the speed pro or mp considering all the good comments I have read about it, I have doubts about the extreme mp because I have an ezone 100 and I do not like it because I feel That forces the topspin too much with the shape of its throat, although the extreme from what I see does not have the same shape, and well of course the one that most catches my attention is the blade v7 16x19, considering that it should be similar to my v6 but with a better feeling

 

[Ryebread]

I'm seriously gelling with the Extreme MP 360+ now.
currently playing with 18L cyclone

Again, it is VERY close to a Pure Aero 2019 (current model) and a Yonex Vcore 100 v6 (current model).
They are all pretty seriously stable for a 300 gram stick!
All have ample power, so flat hitters, stay away.

I can control all this power with a moderately modern stroke.
I harness the power to keep my prey in check, and them BAM, I can turn on the extra put-away power, for cross court corner to corner ZINGERS.

My serve is amazing
My 2HBH is amazing
My forehand us usually on-point, but the two above, are racquet specific.
-

notes from before are critical
the grip is too small.
I had to use two THIN over-grips, to get it right - instead of one thick one (like I normally do).
and then I put 2 or 3 grams under the trap door.
between that and the thin gauge, I'm head light, around 33cm balance - which feels right to me.

stock the racquet is not HL enough for me, and feels like the handle is too light/small.

the blade v7 is amazing,
but now, when I play with it - it feels so buttery flexible.
far less power on serve. less power everywhere.

the EMP is not buttery flexible,
it's not stiff either
it's a medium-crisp. not full on crisp IMO

--

the PA feels a bit more crisp.
I'm going to restring my PA with a different string and test it again.

 

[esm]

Nice one.
due to the Easter holiday, Hermes should be delivering my +EMP tomorrow... I will string it up (I think I will start with a Hybrid setup) to get ready to the club session on Wednesday arvo.... I really hope this is a good tweener option for me, for now.

 

[Ryebread]

Nice one.
due to the Easter holiday, Hermes should be delivering my +EMP tomorrow... I will string it up (I think I will start with a Hybrid setup) to get ready to the club session on Wednesday arvo.... I really hope this is a good tweener option for me, for now.

do you normally use a dampener?

I did originally, in the EMP, but now I'm going naked.
b/c of the bed design, it has that high pitched sounds, which normally bothers me, but I have grown to ignore it after a few hits.
It doesn't need any extra dampening, for feel, IMO.
I don't feel any dirty vibrations at all, actually.

- I don't use a dampner in these racquets, gravity, blade, clash, speed.
the EMP, I'm not currently, but I may put a rubber band in there, if the sound begins to annoy me.

 

[esm]

do you normally use a dampener?

I did originally, in the EMP, but now I'm going naked.
b/c of the bed design, it has that high pitched sounds, which normally bothers me, but I have grown to ignore it after a few hits.
It doesn't need any extra dampening, for feel, IMO.
I don't feel any dirty vibrations at all, actually.

- I don't use a dampner in these racquets, gravity, blade, clash, speed.
the EMP, I'm not currently, but I may put a rubber band in there, if the sound begins to annoy me.

I don’t mind the sound and I have not used a dampener of any sort for at least the past couple of years.

 

[esm]

(lol - what an idiot...)
the +EMP arrived this arvo, and realised it is a L2... not L3... guess i will just need to wrap my 0.70mm OG "loosely" to get somewhere near L3 size. it looks to be TK82, so i should be able to (just) get away with it.
i will try to string it up tonight to get it ready for tomorrow's club session.

 

[Ryebread]

(lol - what an idiot...)
the +EMP arrived this arvo, and realised it is a L2... not L3... guess i will just need to wrap my 0.70mm OG "loosely" to get somewhere near L3 size. it looks to be TK82, so i should be able to (just) get away with it.
i will try to string it up tonight to get it ready for tomorrow's club session.

oh myyy
that is going to be far too small, you may need three OG!

 

[Ryebread]

I would go UP a size on the grip.
I played back and forth with the aero and emp today, and the handle size issue.... is legit.
even with two OG on the emp, to bulk it up.... vs. the right size handle with an OG, on the PA, just feels better to me.
this sort of has an impact on the experience with the emp, for me.

 

[Bruceh]

I am probably buying a extreme mp. The demo I had was strung with Wilson revolve and sensation at around 53 pounds. I had to add Teo overgrips too. Did you string it with cyclone or cyclone tour? What was the tension? How many cotton balls did you put under butt cap.Do you like it more then the v core pro 100

 

[Ryebread]

I am probably buying a extreme mp. The demo I had was strung with Wilson revolve and sensation at around 53 pounds. I had to add Teo overgrips too. Did you string it with cyclone or cyclone tour? What was the tension? How many cotton balls did you put under butt cap.Do you like it more then the v core pro 100

Reg cyclone black
53 lbs to start, I suggest
I think I put four in.

 

[esm]

oh myyy
that is going to be far too small, you may need three OG!

Lol. So I have strung it up tonight and tinkered with it abit. With an 0.70mm OG, some lead tape at the 2” location & “carefully” re-grip of the neon base grip, I think I have bulk it up enough and I think it is now very close to what I needed.... will take it to the club session tomorrow and see. Worst case I will have to change to the L3 pallet/butt cap (I couldn’t be bothered doing that tonight tbh... lol)

 

[Ryebread]

Lol. So I have strung it up tonight and tinkered with it abit. With an 0.70mm OG, some lead tape at the 2” location & “carefully” re-grip of the neon base grip, I think I have bulk it up enough and I think it is now very close to what I needed.... will take it to the club session tomorrow and see. Worst case I will have to change to the L3 pallet/butt cap (I couldn’t be bothered doing that tonight tbh... lol)

Good luck
How many grams total are you adding to the handle?

 

[Bruceh]

Reg cyclone black
53 lbs to start, I suggest
I think I put four in.

I thought you wrote 52 /51. Are you still playing with the MP or did you go back to the tour or blade

 

[Ryebread]

I thought you wrote 52 /51. Are you still playing with the MP or did you go back to the tour or blade

I did 53/52 in my second stringing

I think 53 is a good starting point.

still playing with the MP the most overall

 

[Bruceh]

Thank you for your response. Last questions . I played again with the extreme MP today. Even with the two overgrips it’s a bit to head heavy . Does the three cotton balls chance the balance that much. Actually just a little will help I presume. Does it make the racquet more maneuverable and easy to swing? Have you tried a 18 gauge string to make it more headlight. I assume you prefer the mp over the tour which is headlight because of the added pop which I need myself. I did like the speed mp a lot but actually found the swing weight to high and it also a bit head heavy

 

[Ryebread]

Thank you for your response. Last questions . I played again with the extreme MP today. Even with the two overgrips it’s a bit to head heavy . Does the three cotton balls chance the balance that much. Actually just a little will help I presume. Does it make the racquet more maneuverable and easy to swing? Have you tried a 18 gauge string to make it more headlight. I assume you prefer the mp over the tour which is headlight because of the added pop which I need myself. I did like the speed mp a lot but actually found the swing weight to high and it also a bit head heavy

you are likely playing with a 16 or 17g string?
go 19 gauge cyclone. you'll have to order online, b/c your local shop won't have it, I don't think.


you can also stuff cotton balls in there as well.

but the thinner gauge strings will do a few things:
- lower static weight
- make it more headlight
- same playability, so it's a no brainer
it plays really well for me with 18L or 19!

stick with it, until you get it balanced right, once you get it to around 32 3/4 to 33 CM, you should be good.
worst case you remove almost all of the original grip, and you put some lead around the handle at the bottom.
then reapply the grip, which is super easy, then reapply your OG.
KIT