Head Extreme 2024 Thread

TennisManiac said:
Here in the United States it most certainly is.
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TennisManiac said:
Here in the United States it most certainly is.

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Exactly what I posted
 
I demoed both and the ET IS more powerful and needs the player to generate substantial topspin to keep control. The SMP offers more control and is more forgiving but still with plenty of spin and power. I had to work to not have the ball sail with the ET.
 
bluewaterpro said:
I demoed both and the ET IS more powerful and needs the player to generate substantial topspin to keep control. The SMP offers more control and is more forgiving but still with plenty of spin and power. I had to work to not have the ball sail with the ET.
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Tbh looking at both frames, the EP (2024) and the MP (2024), i cant understand your opinion. The EP has a smaller head and a thinner frame. Both are spin rackets, but the EP is more control oriented and the MP more powerfull. All the players that tested with me, had the same opinion.
 
Honza said:
Tbh looking at both frames, the EP (2024) and the MP (2024), i cant understand your opinion. The EP has a smaller head and a thinner frame. Both are spin rackets, but the EP is more control oriented and the MP more powerfull. All the players that tested with me, had the same opinion.
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You're right, I wrote it down backwards.
 
landcookie said:
So what you’re saying is, if at same SW, you reckon ET/EP hits heavier ball?
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They're different rackets for different things; hard to compare. The Speed MP (especially the 2024 version) has a high swingweight. Its balance is head-heavier and it's a 100" frame. The Extreme Tour is a 98" frame, and its balance is much more head-light. It's a whippy control stick with some pop. The Speed MP is much more comparable to the Extreme MP, which is also a 100" stick and has a thicker beam.
 
landcookie said:
Depends if it’s ntrp or UTR?

I wonder if anyone has experience comparing the ET/EP to the Dunlop SX300 tour.
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I experienced arm issues while playing with the SX300 Tour, so I’ve decided to avoid Dunlop rackets.
The Aux 2.0 Extreme has a smaller sweet spot, but when you hit it correctly, the feel is incredible, and there are no arm issues.
 
Even ATP pro's are using 100 sq in thicker beam racquets with success; of course non-professionals of high level (5.5, 5.0 etc) too.

Let's be honest here: when we as amateur/recreational players (I'm 4.5 for example) say that the MP version of a racquet is not for us because it doesn't give enough control... we are just deluding ourselves.

I played the Extreme Tour 360+ for three years. Yes, it's a great racquet with some customization, but it's a quite demanding racquet too. This year I switched to the Extreme MP Auxetic and it just makes tennis much easier. Specially in matches against opponents that put pressure.

There is not shame in using a 100 sq inch thick beam racquet. Specially if you like to play competitive matches, on which that type of racquet is going to help you. I've come to believe that as recreational players we shouldn't pretend to need more "control" than that. The control is in the player, not in the racquet.
 
alcaraziño said:
Even ATP pro's are using 100 sq in thicker beam racquets with success; of course non-professionals of high level (5.5, 5.0 etc) too.

Let's be honest here: when we as amateur/recreational players (I'm 4.5 for example) say that the MP version of a racquet is not for us because it doesn't give enough control... we are just deluding ourselves.

I played the Extreme Tour 360+ for three years. Yes, it's a great racquet with some customization, but it's a quite demanding racquet too. This year I switched to the Extreme MP Auxetic and it just makes tennis much easier. Specially in matches against opponents that put pressure.

There is not shame in using a 100 sq inch thick beam racquet. Specially if you like to play competitive matches, on which that type of racquet is going to help you. I've come to believe that as recreational players we shouldn't pretend to need more "control" than that. The control is in the player, not in the racquet.
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This is a highly subjective matter, and I wouldn't generalize from you to other players. The fact is that most good players use control rackets and generate their pace with muscle power and technique.
Everyone should play with what feels best for them.
 
Honza said:
This is a highly subjective matter, and I wouldn't generalize from you to other players. The fact is that most good players use control rackets and generate their pace with muscle power and technique.
Everyone should play with what feels best for them.
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Every stroke is generated with muscle power and technique. The racquet is just the instrument.

It's just not true that most good players use control racquets. At the rec level, I can tell you the best players in my league (and they are very good recreational players) are playing with the Pure Aero 100, not with a Head Prestige.

The trend among the pros is similar. They are going to bigger head sizes, thicker beams, lighter and more powerful racquets.

At the recreational level, if you want to compete, sticking to a "control" racquet that's heavy, unforgiving and low-powered is doing a disfavor to yourself. If you play just for fun or for the feel, then of course go for what's more fun to you.
 
alcaraziño said:
Every stroke is generated with muscle power and technique. The racquet is just the instrument.

It's just not true that most good players use control racquets. At the rec level, I can tell you the best players in my league (and they are very good recreational players) are playing with the Pure Aero 100, not with a Head Prestige.

The trend among the pros is similar. They are going to bigger head sizes, thicker beams, lighter and more powerful racquets.

At the recreational level, if you want to compete, sticking to a "control" racquet that's heavy, unforgiving and low-powered is doing a disfavor to yourself. If you play just for fun or for the feel, then of course go for what's more fun to you.
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Well, i dont disagree.
We are not talking about the outdated Prestige. Todays control sticks are the Extreme Pros and Wilson Blades and the bigger part of the ATP 1000 play this kind of racket.
There is nothing wrong with a more powered and less controled racket, especially when it comes to recreational tennis.

Lets put it this way. If you are able to generate the power you need with a control stick, go for it. If you are able to squeeze enough control out of a power stick, take that one. What ever suits you best.
 
alcaraziño said:
Even ATP pro's are using 100 sq in thicker beam racquets with success; of course non-professionals of high level (5.5, 5.0 etc) too.

Let's be honest here: when we as amateur/recreational players (I'm 4.5 for example) say that the MP version of a racquet is not for us because it doesn't give enough control... we are just deluding ourselves.

I played the Extreme Tour 360+ for three years. Yes, it's a great racquet with some customization, but it's a quite demanding racquet too. This year I switched to the Extreme MP Auxetic and it just makes tennis much easier. Specially in matches against opponents that put pressure.

There is not shame in using a 100 sq inch thick beam racquet. Specially if you like to play competitive matches, on which that type of racquet is going to help you. I've come to believe that as recreational players we shouldn't pretend to need more "control" than that. The control is in the player, not in the racquet.
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What you say its true but not always the case. Everyone is different and there are a lot of factors like physical shape and so on. If for example a player is taller and fit and play mostly serve and volley game, he can play with heavier racquets without a problem and it's beneficial to do that.
I am low 4.0 and played for 2 years with Speed Pro 2022 and then switched to Speed MP 2022 because its lighter, a bit more maneuvarable and more powerfull which helped me in doubles. But my singles results got so much worse. Im loosing matches to people i used to beat and my singles game decreased no doubt. Mostly because with Speed MP i can't place the ball like with Speed Pro and move my opponents. Especially noticible at tight match moments, cant trust the racquet when i need to keep the ball in play. Yeah with Speed MP i can hit big balls easier, deep balls while defending, but when i need accuracy it's not there.
 
nov said:
What you say its true but not always the case. Everyone is different and there are a lot of factors like physical shape and so on. If for example a player is taller and fit and play mostly serve and volley game, he can play with heavier racquets without a problem and it's beneficial to do that.
I am low 4.0 and played for 2 years with Speed Pro 2022 and then switched to Speed MP 2022 because its lighter, a bit more maneuvarable and more powerfull which helped me in doubles. But my singles results got so much worse. Im loosing matches to people i used to beat and my singles game decreased no doubt. Mostly because with Speed MP i can't place the ball like with Speed Pro and move my opponents. Especially noticible at tight match moments, cant trust the racquet when i need to keep the ball in play. Yeah with Speed MP i can hit big balls easier, deep balls while defending, but when i need accuracy it's not there.
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Are you sure you can blame on the racquet a change in your singles results? I mean the Speed MP is considered a very accesible racquet that can work for most players in most situations. Of course every racquet has an adaptation period, where you get used to how it responds to a variety of shots and situations. If it's more powerful and more maneuverable, you should slightly adjust your swings and to accommodate for that. After that period, the mistakes should no be blamed on the racquet, but on the player.

There are many factors involved, every playing day and every match-up can be different. But I think a big element is mental/psychological, it has to do with self confidence. You said it, "you can't trust the racquet" in tight moments. I think sometimes we trick our minds into losing confidence because of thinking too much on the racquet. Specially in transition moments when you're switching from one to other. Get a couple of good matches with that new racquet and you will trust it again. In fact, if you're really in the game, concentrated, you shouldn't be thinking about the racquet at all.
 
alcaraziño said:
Are you sure you can blame on the racquet a change in your singles results? I mean the Speed MP is considered a very accesible racquet that can work for most players in most situations. Of course every racquet has an adaptation period, where you get used to how it responds to a variety of shots and situations. If it's more powerful and more maneuverable, you should slightly adjust your swings and to accommodate for that. After that period, the mistakes should no be blamed on the racquet, but on the player.

There are many factors involved, every playing day and every match-up can be different. But I think a big element is mental/psychological, it has to do with self confidence. You said it, "you can't trust the racquet" in tight moments. I think sometimes we trick our minds into losing confidence because of thinking too much on the racquet. Specially in transition moments when you're switching from one to other. Get a couple of good matches with that new racquet and you will trust it again. In fact, if you're really in the game, concentrated, you shouldn't be thinking about the racquet at all.
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Im playing with it for a year and completely used to it. Also im playing tennis for a long time and im aware that in one day you can play fantastic and other not so much. But im pretty sure its the racquet. I played many matches with Speed MP and i won some good matches. But overall my results decreased in singles.
The racquet sometimes feels erratic, like i feel that i hit good but ball flies too long. Rarely happens with Speed Pro. It can only take 2-3 missed balls at important stages and you loose the match.
 
After 5 months, the Extreme Pro is the racket I tend to pick the most out of my arsenal (EP, Aero98, ezone98, Blade98v9, Tfight ISO 300).
Although it in general has no significant strenghts it's a very good alround frame.
But the reason I pick it up is the feel on impact. I find it to be very addictive if you hit it in the sweetspot, which is langer than on it's predecessor, but still smaller than on my other rackets, or at least it tends to twist a bit easier due to head shape and lower TW.
 
I had to mod 3 new Extreme Pro's and these were the stock measurements with 4G 1.25mm and overgrip.
#1 - 320gr 32.5cm 320kg/cm
#2 - 325gr 32.2cm 316kg/cm
#3 - 319gr 32.5cm 318kg/cm
 
_FrankTheTank_ said:
After 5 months, the Extreme Pro is the racket I tend to pick the most out of my arsenal (EP, Aero98, ezone98, Blade98v9, Tfight ISO 300).
Although it in general has no significant strenghts it's a very good alround frame.
But the reason I pick it up is the feel on impact. I find it to be very addictive if you hit it in the sweetspot, which is langer than on it's predecessor, but still smaller than on my other rackets, or at least it tends to twist a bit easier due to head shape and lower TW.
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Hey there, do you have a OHBH by any chance? Have you tried putting on weight at 3/9 to fix the twisting?
 
AKB said:
Hey there, do you have a OHBH by any chance? Have you tried putting on weight at 3/9 to fix the twisting?
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I do have a Ohbh. I have just 0.6g each at 3&9 to get the unstrung SW to 290-291. Haven't been a fan of weight at 3&9 in general on my frames as it leads to flatter trajectory for me and my stroke style, but I might try a little more with this one as it is a whippy frame be design and came in a bit polarized stock.
 
_FrankTheTank_ said:
I do have a Ohbh. I have just 0.6g each at 3&9 to get the unstrung SW to 290-291. Haven't been a fan of weight at 3&9 in general on my frames as it leads to flatter trajectory for me and my stroke style, but I might try a little more with this one as it is a whippy frame be design and came in a bit polarized stock.
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Thanks! Lastly, are you able to compare the Extreme Pro to the Tfight 300? Any chance you modified the Tfight 300 to get it to 6 pts HL like the EP? If so, how much weight did that take?
 
AKB said:
Thanks! Lastly, are you able to compare the Extreme Pro to the Tfight 300? Any chance you modified the Tfight 300 to get it to 6 pts HL like the EP? If so, how much weight did that take?
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I have two ISO 300, one overspec and pure strike 98 territory, the other one is underspec and I'm planning to customize it to the specs of a typical 315mm 305g frame (have added 2g, will need 4-5g more). But only hit with the overspec yet and du to its head heaviness not comparable to the EP.

As the EP and the ISO 300 seem to target the same SW by the manufacturers, it would probably just take 5 grams in the buttcap to match the EP.

I will hit the underspec one and the EP side by side and will report.
 
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_FrankTheTank_ said:
I have two ISO 300, one overspec and pure strike 98 territory, the other one is underspec and I'm planning to customize it to the specs of a typical 315mm 305g frame (have added 2g, will need 4-5g more). But only hit with the overspec yet and du to its head heaviness not comparable to the EP.

As the EP and the ISO 300 seem to target the same SW by the manufacturers, it would probably just take 5 grams in the buttcap to match the EP.

I will hit the underspec one and the EP side by side and will report.
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Thanks! Would really appreciate that.

Contemplating switching to a lower TW frame (EP) for the OHBH timing to be easier. I can weight up 3/9 as necessary for stability but on my terms and keep it under 14 on the TW scale.

Just have to time the ball better when under 14 TW but the whippiness would aid that. So possibly win-win…
 
AKB said:
Thanks! Would really appreciate that.

Contemplating switching to a lower TW frame (EP) for the OHBH timing to be easier. I can weight up 3/9 as necessary for stability but on my terms and keep it under 14 on the TW scale.

Just have to time the ball better when under 14 TW but the whippiness would aid that. So possibly win-win…
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So, I can't really say too much as I put the iso 300 away after 10 minutes. It is stiffer than the EP and it's string pattern is more open, which leads to more power and easy spin, but it's also less consistent. It has well used strings in it (EP freshly strung), but I don't think that was the issue. It was less stable as well.
It is 5g less than the EP and it definitely needs this weight to draw a fair comparison.
The EP is better on the OHBH for me (also better than my heavier ISO 300), but the ISO comes through nicely as well.
 
_FrankTheTank_ said:
So, I can't really say too much as I put the iso 300 away after 10 minutes. It is stiffer than the EP and it's string pattern is more open, which leads to more power and easy spin, but it's also less consistent. It has well used strings in it (EP freshly strung), but I don't think that was the issue. It was less stable as well.
It is 5g less than the EP and it definitely needs this weight to draw a fair comparison.
The EP is better on the OHBH for me (also better than my heavier ISO 300), but the ISO comes through nicely as well.
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Appreciate you circling back with the comparison. If you do slap on 5g of weight at the buttcap on the underspec Tfight 300 and match the balance of the EP, please do let me know how it compares to the EP and if you noticed a significant difference from the 300g vs 305g setup on the Tfight.

My gut says the 305g Tfight 300 still won’t morph into a frame as quick as the EP for the OHBH because it has the higher default TW. But, it would be nice to get some real world data and feedback.
 
Been playing with the 2021 ET past few years only edit is a few Gs in the cap. Great depth, slice, spin -- it’s very fun! I tried the 2023 ET & EMP when they came out and liked them but couldn’t stand the avocado. Playing doubles mostly these days and going to demo the 2024 EMP next session. Problem is the demos are #3 grip and my racquets are #4, so its a bit off when for me feel-wise.

Do yall still have the whippy feel in a MP vs the Pro (formerly Tour)?
 
Good evening all, looking at a matched Extreme Pro pair from the TW warehouse, any input on whether these two are worth purchasing? Does it get better than these?

I have till end of tomorrow to decide, I'll post here if I pass on these two and someone else wants them (just let me know via PM, I'll make sure TW holds them for you).

MRT specs with plastic on handle
1). 309.87g bal: 9 pts HL / 31.4 cm sw: 293
2). 310.69g bal: 9 pts HL / 31.4 cm sw: 293

MRT calculated results without plastic (5.47g)
1). 304.40g bal: 8.5 pts HL sw: 292
2). 305.22g bal: 8.5 pts HL sw: 292
 
AKB said:
Good evening all, looking at a matched Extreme Pro pair from the TW warehouse, any input on whether these two are worth purchasing? Does it get better than these?

I have till end of tomorrow to decide, I'll post here if I pass on these two and someone else wants them (just let me know via PM, I'll make sure TW holds them for you).

MRT specs with plastic on handle
1). 309.87g bal: 9 pts HL / 31.4 cm sw: 293
2). 310.69g bal: 9 pts HL / 31.4 cm sw: 293

MRT calculated results without plastic (5.47g)
1). 304.40g bal: 8.5 pts HL sw: 292
2). 305.22g bal: 8.5 pts HL sw: 292
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Those look perfecto!!!
 
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AKB said:
Good evening all, looking at a matched Extreme Pro pair from the TW warehouse, any input on whether these two are worth purchasing? Does it get better than these?

I have till end of tomorrow to decide, I'll post here if I pass on these two and someone else wants them (just let me know via PM, I'll make sure TW holds them for you).

MRT specs with plastic on handle
1). 309.87g bal: 9 pts HL / 31.4 cm sw: 293
2). 310.69g bal: 9 pts HL / 31.4 cm sw: 293

MRT calculated results without plastic (5.47g)
1). 304.40g bal: 8.5 pts HL sw: 292
2). 305.22g bal: 8.5 pts HL sw: 292
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They are basically dead on spec. I'd buy them if I were you. And btw, the plastic on the handle only weighs 2 grams. No way in hell it weighs 5.47 grams.
 
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Good evening all, looking at a matched Extreme Pro pair from the TW warehouse, any input on whether these two are worth purchasing? Does it get better than these?

I have till end of tomorrow to decide, I'll post here if I pass on these two and someone else wants them (just let me know via PM, I'll make sure TW holds them for you).

MRT specs with plastic on handle
1). 309.87g bal: 9 pts HL / 31.4 cm sw: 293
2). 310.69g bal: 9 pts HL / 31.4 cm sw: 293

MRT calculated results without plastic (5.47g)
1). 304.40g bal: 8.5 pts HL sw: 292
2). 305.22g bal: 8.5 pts HL sw: 292
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Can you share all 6 racuqets specs Tw send you?
 
nov said:
Can you share all 6 racuqets specs Tw send you?
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These were the first two:

Best matching pair (unstrung w/plastic)
1) 10.84oz/307.3g, 8 HL, 290 SW
2) 10.85oz/307.5g, 8 HL, 289 SW

I was never sent six as usual because I asked for a matched pair. Didn’t choose these two and we tried again for a more headlight pair. I would have taken these two if I had a two hander but I wanted 9 HL for my OHBH.
 
Racingclub said:
I experienced arm issues while playing with the SX300 Tour, so I’ve decided to avoid Dunlop rackets.
The Aux 2.0 Extreme has a smaller sweet spot, but when you hit it correctly, the feel is incredible, and there are no arm issues.
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Yeah the Extreme Pro is by far the most comfortable spin racquet compared to PA, SX300, VCORE, Shift, etc. To me it feels much better on off center hits compared to even larger head racquets like the Ezone 100 or Blade 100.
 
heavyD said:
Yeah the Extreme Pro is by far the most comfortable spin racquet compared to PA, SX300, VCORE, Shift, etc. To me it feels much better on off center hits compared to even larger head racquets like the Ezone 100 or Blade 100.
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What’s your usual tension?
 
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