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Played with an extended (ring roll) radical pro 360+ and oh boy what a frame! A bit demanding for long matches but if you are fit an option looking into! Guy who owns it is a solid player...
Every time I hear "ring & roll" I think of the services that help you cheat in baseball / softball by "rolling" the composite bats to increase their power. They basically shave the material down on the inside to make it thinner, which gives it more pop until it cracks and everyone realizes you're a cheater."ring roll"
I too prefer the MP over the Pro. It’s just easier to use and generate power. Overall just more fun to hit with than the Pro. The Pro felt stiffer for some reason and I didn’t like that feeling. The MP is surprisingly stable for its weight so I didn’t feel the need to mod. Control is quite good with the Lynx tour.Anyone else here prefer the MP to the Pro? I was shocked by how much I have been enjoying the MP demo over the pro personally. Thinking about trying the extreme tour next since it is so similar to the radical mp.
I regularly use both racquets. It is a close race between the Radical Mp/Radical Pro/Speed Mp. Short answer Speed Mp is slightly more forgiving and gives less feedback. Radical feels slightly more rewarding when you hit the sweetspot. A little bit easier to swing. I have great control with both. Basically for me the Radical simply gives more feedback of what is going on...Speed Gives less feedback but the ball still ends up in the right place.
-while i do think that tension is subjective (to personal taste), i think you and i might be on similar tension ranges!!??For those using the radical pro:
Luxilon element 16L 52lbs. Kind of dead soft poly...not a lot of easy power, high on control. Died quickly. Maybe 2-3 lbs lower tension would be better next time.
Totally different rackets from Sweet spot size, feel, power, position of the sweet spot, feedback etc...very comparable racquets. both are made for advanced players. gravity pro is softer, has a big sweetspot, and a heavy head, so it can be slow. it has 18x20 string pattern which gives a flatter ball trajectory. less precise than radical pro. both need hard hitting and wide swings, both are very stable, radical pro more. radical pro is easier to swing but it has a smaller head size, so one equals another so to speak. gravity pro has a wide head, large sweetspot but is slower to swing. gravity pro has a wide head which is not ideal for one handed backhands. gravity pro can be used for attacking play if you can really swing it fast. otherwise it will make a player default toward a holding the ball in play style of tennis. radical pro is for fast attacking play.
I eventually did play with the radical NP for about an hour,I regularly use both racquets. It is a close race between the Radical Mp/Radical Pro/Speed Mp. Short answer Speed Mp is slightly more forgiving and gives less feedback. Radical feels slightly more rewarding when you hit the sweetspot. A little bit easier to swing. I have great control with both. Basically for me the Radical simply gives more feedback of what is going on...Speed Gives less feedback but the ball still ends up in the right place.
You have to take into account my previous racquet was the LM Radical. I mainly picked the Gravity Pro since the Radical Pro 360+ was not yet an option.
for clarity...same model? 360+?I compared two Radical MP demos with two totally different grip shape. One more like Wilson, and the other like the old Head. Can someone explain? I was under the impression that they’ve done away with the rectangular grip shape.
Both are 360+ and both came from local stores so I'm not sure who would put in the effort to change the pallet in a demo racquet.for clarity...same model? 360+?
all of the 360+ racquets have the TK82S pallets from what I recall and is more on the round side of things. The older racquets had the TK82 which was more rectangular
If both 360+...that is interesting. maybe someone changed the pallet.
I have 6 Gravity racquets in my house, two each of the Pro (elder son), Tour (mine) and MP (younger son). All 4 1/4 grip size. I can feel subtle differences in grip shape between all 6, but they all measure pretty much 4 1/8 when I wrap the measuring tape around them. One of them feels noticeably less rectangular than the other 5, but measures up 4 1/8 - I can identify this one eyes closed. However, it’s still close enough that I don’t notice it during play.I compared two Radical MP demos with two totally different grip shape. One more like Wilson, and the other like the old Head. Can someone explain? I was under the impression that they’ve done away with the rectangular grip shape.
oh wow...i dont' know what to think.Both are 360+ and both came from local stores so I'm not sure who would put in the effort to change the pallet in a demo racquet.
All Head rackets (minus PT2.0) come with TK82S now. No way they came with a different pallet.I compared two Radical MP demos with two totally different grip shape. One more like Wilson, and the other like the old Head. Can someone explain? I was under the impression that they’ve done away with the rectangular grip shape.
Feels good on one hander. Not as good as a 95 but better than most 98s.How does this feel for the one hander? I haven't used head in a while and wanted to demo this racquet because of some arm discomfort with my ezone 98.
-its nice on the 1HBHHow does this feel for the one hander? I haven't used head in a while and wanted to demo this racquet because of some arm discomfort with my ezone 98.
-agree here, crisp feel!Feels good on one hander. Not as good as a 95 but better than most 98s.
This one is comfortable (haven't had any arm pain with it), but it is crisp at 65RA; plays crisp too. ........
I’ve never had much use for manufacturer power scales like Prince’s or Head’s. They are more marketing than measurements; the Pro is 315g and has a 98” head so they give it an “advanced” range CPI. I tested it alongside the MP and there was no huge difference in response, even though the MP is rated at 400 vs the Pro’s 200.Wow didn't realise the pro had the CPI rating of 200, and the gravity pro. They both play more powerful
Good points I think many are just rough guides / marketing as you mentioned. The closest in terms if accuracy seems to be with Prince and their PL ratings.I’ve never had much use for manufacturer power scales like Prince’s or Head’s. They are more marketing than measurements; the Pro is 315g and has a 98” head so they give it an “advanced” range CPI. I tested it alongside the MP and there was no huge difference in response, even though the MP is rated at 400 vs the Pro’s 200.
Interesting bunch in the mix with solinco and vcore, what is standing out so far ? or too early to tell ?got some time in with the Pro with Velocity at who knows what tension. It was musical racquets yesterday with a few demos in tow with the friends I was hitting with. Didn't take any serves or volleys with it but ground strokes I was happy. The other racquets in the mix were Speed Pro, Pure Strike 16 & 18m, plus continued testing of an early version of the Solinco 98 and vCore 95.
I think that a leather grip and maybe a tad bit of lead would work out for me. ugh...more racquets. SMH
Sounds like some lead in the throat along the shaft will fix this for you.I played 3 sets with the new Rad Pro the other day. I was serving BOMBS with it. It was like serving with a Pure Drive. But my groundstrokes weren't nearly as solid as with my usual modified 2015 Prostaff 97. Compared to the original Prostaff 97 leaded up the exact same way. The Rad Pro felt hollow and weak on returns and groundstrokes. What I'm able to clearly notice is that the Rad Pro is polarized. HEAD has definitely placed the weight at each end of the racket leaving the middle area "throat" hollow and flimsy feeling. It's not as evenly distributed like the Prostaff. I'm going to try and mess around with weight placement to see if perhaps I can make this thing feel more solid. Otherwise the Prostaff will continue to be my racket of choice. It's a shame HEAD polarized this frame. I think it could be a fantastic racket if they would have made it more solid in the middle. My guess is that the Prestige Pro is likely the better frame for people like myself who like a solid feeling frame that can redirect pace and move the ball more easily.
I added some silicone inserts in the solinco and it felt really good. The vCore is great too. I’m torn on which of the two to move forward with. The radical pro seems like a nice candidate to consider as well.Interesting bunch in the mix with solinco and vcore, what is standing out so far ? or too early to tell ?
Who knows the g360+ frames feel plush. Pro stocks may have silicone lead etc so maybe a different feel. Page the head experts they will chime in!Has anyone played with G360+ Rad Pro 2021 and TGT260 pro stock version, how do they compare? Pro Stock version maybe softer in feel/flex?
What gut / poly strings and tension did you use in the pro ?I tried a gut-poly hybrid in my G360+ Radical Pro today. I think it's a very usable setup in this frame provided you generally like hybrids. I used to play hybrids most of the time when I was primarily using 95-98" racquets. Then I took a 1.5 year detour to the Pure Aero Plus, which basically requires a full bed of poly. I got used to playing full poly and started stringing all of my frames with it (generally shaped stuff from Solinco or Babolat). I even dabbled in low tension poly ( <= 35 lbs) and this got me some of the pocketing and feel back that I missed from the hybrid setup. But when I put a real hybrid back into the Radical I immediately remembered what I was missing. If anything, it felt almost too soft compared to even the softest poly setup, but the feedback was plentiful, access to pace took less effort, and spin was still easily accessible. In general, I define "acceptable spin" as my second serve dipping in consistently and hopping nicely, but I also was still cranking up the heavy topspin on my forehand without much effort. There may have been some slight drop, but I didn't feel like I was lacking any necessary RPMs versus the Hyper-G Soft that had previously been in the frame.
Cool, can't go wrong with those choices, I love Max Power as a cross with klip gut or luxilon (when I'm cashed up)Babolat VS Touch at 54 in the mains and Kirschbaum Pro Line 2 at 52 in the crosses. The pro line I just had lying around; I wanted a smooth poly but aside from that there’s no particular reason that I chose that one.
wow this mirrors my experience with the racquet completely:Fever broke last night and this morning got up and strung the Radical Pro with a full bed of luxilon element @52/50lbs, went out for a hitting session. Soft round poly supposedly similar to something like YPTP which I play with often in my ezone 98. Overall feel/quality/mold/paint and grip are all really good. Fit and finish just feels solidly built. I like the way it looks much more in person. Strung up with OG and dampener its 336g. Feels light and swings fast....i was expecting something more cumbersome and heavy.
It took me a moment to get use to the balance and speed of this frame compared to playing with my TC95 and even my modded ezone 98. The biggest takeaways I have at the moment: It's has less free power than I expected. It feels lighter and faster than I expected. Sweet spot is smaller than expected. Spin is less than expected. Control is very high ....I was not expecting that for a 16x19 98 inch frame. It is very dead with regards to power. I had to swing out much more than I do with either the TC95, ezone 98, or my GF's V7 Blade. Launch angle is low for a 16x19. It hits penetrating lasers. Balls don't go as deep as the TC95 or ezone. The biggest adjustments were the small sweet spot and the low power. Once I got use to it, I was hitting some heavy balls (when I wanted) with control that my partner could not return. Your power comes from unit turn/kinetic chain/good technique and not the frame itself with the radical pro. It's not nearly as cumbersome as something like an RF or even my TC95 that weighs around 350ish grams. You have to be confident with your stroke and let it rip. When you do, it rewards. Makes a really nice loud boom too...it almost sounded like I was hitting indoors. Serves were great other than the occasional time I'd hit outside the sweet spot and it would kill some of the pace.
My partner told me she thought I was playing very well with it....I think because I was hitting a controlled consistent rally with less errant balls. So the big strength of this frame is control that gives you the ability to take big cuts and be rewarded. Less free power, it's all about technique.
Some of this review I think is also due to the string I was using...I've never played with element before, but I'm intrigued enough to try not just one but several different string combos to see if that changes things with the pop and sweet spot. I also really really want to try adding just a small amount of lead at 3/9 to see if that helps. It could be a weapon with a little lead.
Power: TC95 > Ezone 98/V7 Blade > Radical Pro
Spin: TC95> Ezone 98 > V7 Blade > Radical Pro
Control: Radical Pro >> V7 Blade > TC95/V7 Blade
Feel: TC95/Radical Pro > V7 Blade/Ezone 98
Comfort: TC95/V7 Blade > Radical Pro > Ezone 98
Sweet Spot: TC95/Ezone98> V7 Blade > Radical Pro
Less categories came out on top for the Radical Pro, but I kept going back for it in my bag. I'm keeping this frame there's something about it I can't nail down yet.