Discussion in 'Racquets' started by alnigel, Feb 24, 2013.
Anyone tried this stick
What are the differences between innegra instinct and graphene instinct?
Not sure what the differences are but the old version is a very nice, easy frame to swing. Very stable for its weight and easy to do mods. I pickded up a few used at TW and man am I happy. Can't wait to get outside with these frame and get my go to set-up in that frame. Frame works well for many players and is a steal right now. If the new one is close to this one... then I would say go for it. BTW... TW has reviewed both.. and really talked about the differences. Listen to Chris.. he knows his stuff.
I've used both the Ig Instinct MP and now the Graphene Instinct MP. They are both very good frames. Not a whole lot of difference. The Graphene seems to be a little stiffer and has a little more power - both are very comfortable, easy to swing, and forgiving. Price being equal, I would definitely say go for the Graphene, but since they aren't equal in price, it's hard to say.
I'm surprised the Graphene Instinct MP isn't getting more talk on these threads. I think it's one of the best all purpose frames out there, and it can suit most players, plus it's easily modified if more weght is desired. It's got similar power (but a little less) as the pd and others, but is more comfortable and to me has more control. Stability is fine. It sort of reminds me of the pro open but with a Head "feel" as opposed to a Wilson feel.
I agree with BC1. I did an upgrade to the Graphene after playing the IG Instinct MP for the last 14 months. The Grapheme seems to have a little more feel with at least as much power, maybe a little more power. It does feel a bit more stiff, but that has not translated to a loss of feel or wear on my arm. So, maybe Graphene really is an advance? For me, I noticed the better feel and control, with at least as much power or more than the IG version. The better feel/control isn’t dramatic, but I do see it/feel it.
I agree. I was surprised that the previous IG Instinct wasn't more popular also.
Maybe it suffers from the "instinct" name unpopularity in general? I am also surprised that the new Graphene Speed MP isn't more popular as well. They went back to standard 27" and added power to the OG model. Seems like a great stick for club/rec level players.
Jack, I think you are right about the name, which is ashame. It's a great racquet and I think most people would love it from 3.5 to 4.5, 5.0+ with lead.
I tried the G Speed MP, and to me the Instinct is better in all areas. If I was a 4.5+ I might prefer the Speed, but I didn't find the instinct lacking in any area compared the Speed MP.
My Instinct weighs 11.5, with overgrip, dampner and a little lead at 12oclock (not necessary but I like it). It's very stable, easy and fast to swing, and it has a very open string pattern (more open then most 16x19 patterns). Plus it feels more like a 66 flex, not a 70. I know the racquets you've liked, and I think you would like this one.
Just be sure it's strung right. My first string job was done as a one-piece (and evidently all Heads are supposed to be a two-piece, at least the instinct). Anyway, it never felt right at all - like it was broken, played horrible and no control or feel. I took it to a different stringer, and he noticed the bad string job immediately. He redid It, and it was like a totally different racquet. Amazing the difference a proper sting job can make. I'm using RPM 18 at 53/51 and it's great.
What was "wrong" about the stringjob? I don't think 2 piece vs. 1 piece would make a noticeable difference, but I could be wrong.
I did try the Instinct and Speed MP breifly and personally preferred the Speed. Better feel...more flexy feel and higher swingweight. Just felt more solid to me overall. Both nice racquets though.
I'm not a stringer so it's hard for me to be specific, but the "pro" stringer who redid it for me, said that all Heads should be done in a two-piece, and that Head won't even honor a warranty claim if the are sent a racquet that was done with a one-piece. Whatever the difference was, it was dramatic. I had it redone with the same strings, same tension, and it was like night and day. The racquet felt and played different (better) all the way around. Very noticeable. With the wrong string job, it felt horrible - trampoline like, no control, uneven power.
This is a bit of a handicap in the sense of getting a professional stringer who knows about this one piece and two piece stringing (which I confess I know nothing about). At least I go to a club where the pro (who is not the stringer) and others use Head rackets and they seem to like the stringer alot.
Have you used Volkl Cyclone in the Instinct? It is similar to RPM but it is much cheaper.
Is the Instinct spin capacity similar to other good "spin rackets" like the APD?
"It sort of reminds me of the pro open but with a Head "feel" as opposed to a Wilson feel."
Can you elaborate in the difference in feel between these two brands?(Dont have much experience with either brand, especially Wilson. Only a few hits long time ago.)
I suppose the Wilson feel is crisper or stiffer feeling.
I will try, but some more experienced people on these boards may be able to chime in and better explain. To me, most manufacturers have their unique "feel". Especially the top three, Babolat, Wilson and Head. To me Head racquets feel more playerish (another term hard to describe), they don't feel hollow like some babolats do. Wilson racquets feel solid, as do most Heads, but there is something unique about Head racquets in my opinion, and to be honest, I haven't always liked the "feel" or playability of heads, especially in the earlier youtek versions. Maybe it has to do with the flex. To me The G Instinct has the same playerish feel that you get with some thinner frame racquets but it has the forgiveness and power of a thicker frame. The Wilson Pro Open that I compared it to has a solid feel but maybe less "scalpel like" and I think the Instinct is a little more muted. I may be wrong here, but I actually think that Head and Volkl have a similar "feel", but "feel" is very objective. And there's no "good" or "bad". It's all personal preference. Sorry I can't be more clear on what I'm trying to say. It's hard to put into words.
I bought a new G Instinct MP for extended demo, & have not had great results. No history w prior versions, but WOW, this one fealt perfect in hand/ shadow swinging.
Tried a few string setups (all 2-piece) & just cannot find consistency, plus BH slice really floats & difficult to flatten out/ keep low.......
Depth is hard to control & not very stable against heavy balls// agree feels much more flexible than 70RA, but that's not a positive personally for me.....
Really wanted to like this racquet, but just didn't click w it-----
Love the balance & swing speed it brings// wish results were there bc I'd love to swing this one all the time
Yes, I get the point. Thanks.
I would say it's about equal, maybe not as good as the APD but should be close. I personally can't tell the difference on topspin alone - I've had good topspin results with both, and bad results with both. It seems to totally come down to my strokes, not the racquet, and my game is a little more on the flatter side. The Instinct definitely suits my game better. I was a lot more inconsistent with the APD.
Anyone else who can compare the new G version to the IG version?
A Instead. I'm starting to doubt the instinct. I had a bad league match against an opponent I should have beat, so naturally it must be the racquet and not me. Anyway, after that experience I played with the pd and enjoyed the extra solid power I don't seem to get from the Instinct. I still think the instinct is a very good all around racquet, but I might be looking elsewhere for my main stick, or go bacck to the pd.
This is off topic, but have you or anyone else tried the new vcore Xi 98? Or the TF 295 Mp?
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