Head Graphene Speed 360+ Racquet series
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Hit briefly with the Speed MP and really liked it. Now I'm on lockdown so it will be a while before I can demo it again. In general, I really like the Head family. Will eventually choose a stick from among the Gravity/Speed/Extreme lines.
I like the Gravity MP but will need to add 2-3 oz of weight to it.
Need to demo the Speed again.
Love the Extreme, but heard they will have a 360+ edition this summer. If so, I will demo it and see if it's better than the current. Would love to see that RA rating drop a point or two.
I like the Gravity MP but will need to add 2-3 oz of weight to it.
Need to demo the Speed again.
Love the Extreme, but heard they will have a 360+ edition this summer. If so, I will demo it and see if it's better than the current. Would love to see that RA rating drop a point or two.
Schmetterball
New User
Got two Speed MPs last week from TWE, both 295 g, 32,1 cm balance, 290 SW. Strung them with Signum Pro Tornado 1,23 and Hyper G 1,25 @ 25/24. Beautiful looking racquets, that's for sure. For obvious reasons I can't hit with them on a proper court right now so I was hitting against a wall yesterday to try them out. The one strung with Tornado made a somewhat pingy sound and didn't feel too solid, on the bright side it was easy to swing and I could feel the ball very well, nice ball pocketing and huge sweetspot. My Pure Strike 18/20 2017 in comparison felt more plush and made this nice dampened "oomph" sound on impact, there was way more plow through. Of course this racquet weights 10g more and SW is probably 10 points higher as well. I will hit with the Speed MP strung with Hyper G tomorrow and hope the "pinging" is less noticeable with a thicker string.
longtimelurker
Professional
Tennis nerd and TW scored high but the tennis taste guy did not care for it much, maybe does not like head racquets much hahaha the prestige mp scored low too
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marquette100
Semi-Pro
Is the grip the new square one? Or the old rectangle shape?
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Schmetterball
New User
The new one, TK82s
Btw I liked the frame more with Hyper G 1.25, added 1 g each on 10 & 2, now there’s a bit more plow on my BH. I had never played with a racquet weighting less than 305 unstrung before so I still have to get used to the pingy sound especially on off center hits but that’s probably the trade off for having a more userfriendly stick. Can’t want to take them out on court hopefully next month...
marquette100
Semi-Pro
Can you compare the Speed MP 360 to the Speed MP 360+? Any major differences or just minor tweaks?
Schmetterball
New User
I haven’t played with any previous version of the Speed MP, sorry...
Schmetterball
New User
There's a review online from team tennis. He basically confirms the opinion of the TW review. He found the racquet to play a bit more comfortable than the previous version and couldn’t find any issues regarding maneuverability. Racquet is easy to play with and spin-friendly but by no means a spin machine like the Pure Aero. He was looking for a bit more weight in the hoop to increase stability but this guy’s rating is probably around 5.5.
Just demoed both the new MP and the Pro. What delightful, fun playing racquets. I’ve never chosen a Head racquet to play with long term and that might be changing. These new models are really good! I have historically played very traditionally classic racquets... C10, all the pro staffs, VCORE pro, Ultra tour. I also have a sensitive arm and both of these play very comfortably. The response, power and spin potential of the MP is really appealing and fun. The feel is great for touch and on full power contact. The pro for me is even better... sacrifices some spin and pop - but still really good. Control, consistency, touch and volleys are better on the Pro for me. Both had some slight stability issues - MP more than the Pro. I found the pro to take lead tape customization a little better. 8g at 10 and 2 with a leather grip and the Pro is my new stick. I am a UTR 9 and play with variety and spin.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
The 360+ layup is awesome on all 3 families so far.
head is doing the right thing!
Shaolin
Talk Tennis Guru
How would you compare the feel of the new 360 MP to the last generation? I'm currently using the older version (mostly black) and while I like it in some ways I cant stand the stiff "glassy" feel (only way I can describe it).
Like the above poster I used the c10 pro for many many years and like a flexible solid feeling racquet. I coach at a club and required to use HEAD sticks when I teach and would love to find something that has decent feel.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Definitely softer and better weight distribution
really comfy frame but not something I am using though.
Shaolin
Talk Tennis Guru
Softer is def good news.
having had some arm issues this year using Babolat rackets, Head's direction is great for me.
TennisHound
Legend
I thought the 360 Instinct MP felt softer than the 360 Speed MP and was more stable. Both of these racquets would require weight in the hoop (IMO). I haven’t tried the new 360+ Speed MP.
DJTaurus
Hall of Fame
Speed MP 360+
Today i had my first and last hit with the new MP. It’s not just a cosmetic PJ we have almost sth totally different. My main issue with reviewers is that when sth becomes soft they auto translate it on having more or better feel which is not the case here imo. New MP has become softer but also more muted. It reminded me the feel of TF40 but with less connection to the ball.... it has the feel of prince tour 100p 18x20. I prefer the raw and more crisp/stiff feel of the previous Speed. It was more direct and informative despite playing stiffer.... as a result old mp felt more hollow where new feels more solid but still unstable at 3/9. It has also more free power (old one was miles better on serve power new one better placement), greater launch angle, better control, plays like a players frame on touch shots but but but......
1) This racquet should not be called Speed. The increased SW didn’t give any real life benefits such as stability which as i said it still needs lead at 3/9. The racquet lost its speedy reflexes on volleys and while blocking returns. Also slices don’t have the same easy depth and you have to really try and swing it hard to get power on serves.... no more free power there.
2)Why the f did the made it thicker ? Speed was one of the few 100inch racquets out there with thin beam. Also with the more white head it feels even more bulkier.
Don’t get me wrong new speed is better on doing more things on the court / more all around but it’s not the fast plug n play stick it used to be.
Today i had my first and last hit with the new MP. It’s not just a cosmetic PJ we have almost sth totally different. My main issue with reviewers is that when sth becomes soft they auto translate it on having more or better feel which is not the case here imo. New MP has become softer but also more muted. It reminded me the feel of TF40 but with less connection to the ball.... it has the feel of prince tour 100p 18x20. I prefer the raw and more crisp/stiff feel of the previous Speed. It was more direct and informative despite playing stiffer.... as a result old mp felt more hollow where new feels more solid but still unstable at 3/9. It has also more free power (old one was miles better on serve power new one better placement), greater launch angle, better control, plays like a players frame on touch shots but but but......
1) This racquet should not be called Speed. The increased SW didn’t give any real life benefits such as stability which as i said it still needs lead at 3/9. The racquet lost its speedy reflexes on volleys and while blocking returns. Also slices don’t have the same easy depth and you have to really try and swing it hard to get power on serves.... no more free power there.
2)Why the f did the made it thicker ? Speed was one of the few 100inch racquets out there with thin beam. Also with the more white head it feels even more bulkier.
Don’t get me wrong new speed is better on doing more things on the court / more all around but it’s not the fast plug n play stick it used to be.
Wonder if the thickness change is in response to the Gravity line at 21 and 22"
DJTaurus
Hall of Fame
I hate Babolat racquets but hats off to them for having the more clear strategy. 3 lines with minor improvements to its core characteristics of each line and a 3 year cycle. And that’s it. A clear strategy and less confusing for the consumer. I am loosing my interest with such many confusing / mixed up lines of Wilson and Head. Head is going to introduce a 98inch 305 extreme because it’s the most hot topic right now..... that’s not trying to innovate it’s just following the masses.
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Babolat has a much clearer brand identity and approach to product development. They've made the choice to not serve every kind of tennis player. They make relatively stiff powerful rackets with 3 different approaches to delivering on that promise. Head and, to some degree, Wilson product lines cover all kinds of players.
I can't play with Babolat bc of my elbow. But you're right, they have a clear brand/product rationale.
Assuming this is now thread for the owners of the Speed racquets...
My 360+ Speed MP came today. The weight is spot on - exactly 300gr unstrung. But strung swingweight seems very off - just 310pts according to the RDC machine of my stringer. It's using thin 1.18mm poly (MSV Co-Focus), but still I expected at least low 320s.
Should I just go ahead and add some lead tape to get it to the specs or is there a chance that the swingweight was measured wrongly?
My 360+ Speed MP came today. The weight is spot on - exactly 300gr unstrung. But strung swingweight seems very off - just 310pts according to the RDC machine of my stringer. It's using thin 1.18mm poly (MSV Co-Focus), but still I expected at least low 320s.
Should I just go ahead and add some lead tape to get it to the specs or is there a chance that the swingweight was measured wrongly?
I just had the same thing happen to my Clash 98. Weight and HL all exactly on spec, but the swingweight was low at 314. I added some tungsten tape at 12 o'clock and an overgrip, increasing the swingweight while not decreasing the HL by much. Super comfortable now.
Dragy
G.O.A.T.
What was your previous racquet? How much it weighted, what SW? From 300g + light strings and o/g you should be at <320g now? Some room for lead.
I basically just want to know what are the odds that my stringer made a mistake while measuring the Swingweight. Although the strung balance is also not near the TW specs, so I guess I got a more HL version, but having the same weight, hence also lower swing weight. I don't complain though, since it opens up some space for customization. I have added 3g of lead to 12 o'clock, which upped the swingweight by 10 pts apparently. Going to hit the courts right now.
I am coming from Tecnifibre TF40 305, just switching back from 18x20 pattern to 16x19, since I need all that spin on clay courts, where I play now 99% of time. The SW of the TF40 was in the high 320s and balance around 32.8.
beltsman
G.O.A.T.
Head kind of has too much of a good thing. While the 360+ lines are great and it's awesome to have variation within models, there is so much overlap. For instance, why wait for the 360+ Radical when the Extreme Tour exists? I would love to try the new Speed, but it's hard to see a reason when I'm already hitting the Prestige and Extreme lines.
well one thing that swayed me away from the Extreme line are the horrible paintjobs, so there is that differentiation
Return_Ace
Hall of Fame
It you think the Extreme one is bad, then don't hold your breath for the Radical one .
thelimfactor
Rookie
Yeah I too like the easy to follow 3 racket line distinction Babolat have made- such a winner! Its a bit harder to get my head around the Wilson and Head lines. I originally thought it was just me, but sounds like some of y'all are thinking similar. Happy hitting!
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Return_Ace
Hall of Fame
I find this an interesting comment, can you elaborate how you see the three Babolat lines as being defined?
I've never been a Babolat player or cared for their rackets much (although the Pure Strike P17 felt okay-ish, but maybe a little too stiff long term).
From my perspective, I just see:
Pure Drive - Power / Modern
Aero - Power? Spin? / Modern
Pure Strike - Power (with some more control?) but still Modern
thelimfactor
Rookie
Yeah mate you got it!
Pure Drive - predominantly power oriented.
Pure Aero - predominantly spin oriented.
Pure Strike - predominantly control oriented.
I too am biased, but towards Babolats as using a pure drive, so I havent researched Head or Wilson in as much detail. Happy to hear a summary of the demarcations of the various lines of these 2 latter brands just for increasing my knowledge of them. Cheers.
So anybody else measured the swingweight of their 360+ Speed MP or even perhaps ordered one with the matching service and got specs of several racquets? Wondering if the 328 SW in the review of Speed MP is over-spec, or my 310 under spec or both 
There is another website that lists the swingweight as 315 in their review - looks more realistic for how the Speed MP is positioned/marketed
There is another website that lists the swingweight as 315 in their review - looks more realistic for how the Speed MP is positioned/marketed
I demoed the Speed MP yesterday. Very good racquet. I'm playing with the Gravity Pro now and was looking for more spin, I definitely found that + more power. Mine felt like a racquet of around 325 SW. I'm going to demo it again with my own strings (my demo had a hybrid setup, I normally use Yonex PTP).
Flying_Axe
Rookie
The one I got swings heavier than Clash Tour and lighter than Extreme Pro. Mine is around high 320s for sureSo anybody else measured the swingweight of their 360+ Speed MP or even perhaps ordered one with the matching service and got specs of several racquets? Wondering if the 328 SW in the review of Speed MP is over-spec, or my 310 under spec or both
There is another website that lists the swingweight as 315 in their review - looks more realistic for how the Speed MP is positioned/marketed
Mr_Zorg
New User
How did you like it with your own strings?
TennisHound
Legend
X2on that. The new Rads are pretty fugly. The orange looks like orange cream colored.
That's true. The current radical looks very nice though.
Speaking of paintjobs - isn't Djokovic supposed to switch to the 360+ speed paintjob? Not that it matters much, but seeing that he didn't switch yet makes me wonder if there is going to be a new special paintjob of the Speed any time soon.
gutfeeling
Hall of Fame
So anybody else measured the swingweight of their 360+ Speed MP or even perhaps ordered one with the matching service and got specs of several racquets? Wondering if the 328 SW in the review of Speed MP is over-spec, or my 310 under spec or both
There is another website that lists the swingweight as 315 in their review - looks more realistic for how the Speed MP is positioned/marketed
The value listed by TW is an average from a batch of frames. There is a chance your frame is an outlier. There is also a chance the entire batch TW measured contained outliers though that seems less likely. Also there is variability in swingweight readings even if the machines are calibrated. For example my Alpha Accuswing is generally 5 points lower than the Babolat RDC used by TW. You may want to go to your source and ask them to take readings on more frames so you can get a sense of how yours stacks up relatively.
tennisBIEST
Professional
I’ve been using the 360+ Speed MP more lately and it’s such an easy frame to play with to me. I’ve played 2 tournaments this summer with the PT2.0 and realized I needed more easy power and maneuverability. The 360+ Speed reminds me of how I felt when I played with the APD’13. Just plain easy to use. Mine has a SW of 328 string with Solinco Confidential 17g 52/50.
Mr_Zorg
New User
I pulled the plug and got the new Speed 360+ MP.
Didn't like it at all in stock form since I'm used to more head light racquets, but all of that changed after I added around 10g to the handle. Only played about an hour with it so far, but the first impressions are good.
Compared to my usual racquet (Pure Aero), the difference in feeling is noticeable after the first hit! Speed MP is flexier and simply feels nicer to hit with.
Didn't like it at all in stock form since I'm used to more head light racquets, but all of that changed after I added around 10g to the handle. Only played about an hour with it so far, but the first impressions are good.
Compared to my usual racquet (Pure Aero), the difference in feeling is noticeable after the first hit! Speed MP is flexier and simply feels nicer to hit with.
Anybody tested the Speed MP against the Yonex Vcore Pro 100? The specs look identical, except that the Speed has a bigger sweet zone and more power according to the TWU tool. Is it due to denser string pattern on the Vcore Pro? I must say the 360+ Speed MP is so fun to play with, but the paintjob is so dull...
Mr_Zorg
New User
True. But I'll always choose that over the outlandish paintjobs. Just look at the (previous) Extreme line
Yep, better than the funky colored paintjobs, but worse than stylish classy ones. Instincts, Gravity and 360 Radical are great paintjobs IMO. That's why I am curios, whether Djokovic will switch to this PJ anytime soon or there will be a new special version, like with the previous Speed - Graphene 360 Speed X MP - this one looks very sweet, but not sure I want to play the previous version just because of the looksTrue. But I'll always choose that over the outlandish paintjobs. Just look at the (previous) Extreme line
Dragy
G.O.A.T.
It would be around 320. Nothing 2g of lead under the bumper guard cannot solve though.
I don’t normally customize my racquets. But maybe that’s an idea. Maybe in the handle though? To not make it too head heavy
