Head Gravity

jdx2112

Professional
I dont feel weight difference between my Tour and Pro, both swings about the same. And i play equal well with both racquets. Its just with Pro i can paint lines better, make better drop shots, lobs and it gives me more joy even match outcome is the same with both racquets.
yeah, I think that bc the weight is basically the same between the two, you are enjoying the thinner beam which makes the racquet more maneuverable. But, if the Pro were more on spec, it would be heavier and possibly more difficult to do those things depending on one's strength. you may have just gotten a stiffer layup...but that's not by design.

can't remember what your strings are but you can always go with a soft poly...
 

nov

Semi-Pro
yeah, I think that bc the weight is basically the same between the two, you are enjoying the thinner beam which makes the racquet more maneuverable. But, if the Pro were more on spec, it would be heavier and possibly more difficult to do those things depending on one's strength. you may have just gotten a stiffer layup...but that's not by design.

can't remember what your strings are but you can always go with a soft poly...
Im going to try Ghost Wire 1.17mm and 1.22mm and maybe switch from my trusted Triax 1.28 if my arm can handle it.
 

jdx2112

Professional
Bad tension maintenance on Cyclone Tour. Which strings you using on your Tour?
Yeah, the tension drops, but it actually helps me string more frequently instead of leaving inelastic poly strings.

The other soft poly I like is Diadem Solstice Black 17.
 

nov

Semi-Pro
How is the triax in the frame? I have x1 biphase in mine and love it but would be interested in a more spin friendly option.
From all multi's i tried, Triax has best spin. Head Velocity MLT is good also, but couting wore off 3x faster than on Triax. Of course Triax isnt poly, but close to it.
 

rob_canada

New User
I recently bought a second hand Gravity Pro (original 2019 version). Out of curiosity, I scanned the QR code and was brought to the Head registration page which indicated it was a Gravity Tour model. It clearly says PRO on the racquet. Has anyone else ever run into this?
 

HitMoreBHs

Semi-Pro
I recently bought a second hand Gravity Pro (original 2019 version). Out of curiosity, I scanned the QR code and was brought to the Head registration page which indicated it was a Gravity Tour model. It clearly says PRO on the racquet. Has anyone else ever run into this?
One of my son’s GPro’s from the early 2019 release does this. QR code scan opens HEAD page that says Gravity Tour. It didn’t trouble me one bit since the racquet warranty does not depend on this online registration. Had no doubt that it’s a genuine racquet either.
 

La Pavoni

Rookie
How is the triax in the frame? I have x1 biphase in mine and love it but would be interested in a more spin friendly option.
I hybrid Solinco X-Natural Diamond Rough with Head Velocity in my MP and it is spin friendly and very comfy.
I've tried it in my pros too and I have to string super high to get control with it. It also breaks in around the time that a co-poly hybrid becomes uncomfortable for me. I'm currently using Tecnifibre Blackcode Fire and Icecode as a hybrid and it's as good as anything else I've tried (that doesn't wreck my arm). It's actually so good that I've stopped searching around and bought a reel of each.
 

esm

Hall of Fame
One of my son’s GPro’s from the early 2019 release does this. QR code scan opens HEAD page that says Gravity Tour. It didn’t trouble me one bit since the racquet warranty does not depend on this online registration. Had no doubt that it’s a genuine racquet either.
Lol.
One of the GPro scanned correctly, but the second one didn’t come up with any model name (said “0 not found”)….. lol.
both 2019 models
 

dimadima

New User
Hello, guys. I know that 2019 vs 2021 is only a paintjob, but a friend of mine who is a playing coach 30 years old is stating that there is a noticable difference between MP 19/21 and Tour 19/21. I told him about what I read and he answered that he does not read, but plays 10 hours a day 6 days a week.
 

guilhermefdc

Semi-Pro
Hello, guys. I know that 2019 vs 2021 is only a paintjob, but a friend of mine who is a playing coach 30 years old is stating that there is a noticable difference between MP 19/21 and Tour 19/21. I told him about what I read and he answered that he does not read, but plays 10 hours a day 6 days a week.
QC?
 

EggSalad

Rookie
Hello, guys. I know that 2019 vs 2021 is only a paintjob, but a friend of mine who is a playing coach 30 years old is stating that there is a noticable difference between MP 19/21 and Tour 19/21. I told him about what I read and he answered that he does not read, but plays 10 hours a day 6 days a week.
What did he claim the differences are?
 
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nov

Semi-Pro
If 2019 and 2021 models are same, can anybody post his matching service table from TW with 2019 Gravity Pro having 67 RA stiffness?
 

gold325

Rookie
What did he claim the differences are?
He probably felt the quality control differences between those 2 specific frames

My 2019 Gravity Tour had 315 swingweight with 4 HL balance strung (that's why I bought and took it upto 320). I have seen multiple people mention they had units that were 335-340 with 1 HL balance strung.

25 points of swing weight is night and day.... Will feel like 2 completely different racquets.
 
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gold325

Rookie
If 2019 and 2021 models are same, can anybody post his matching service table from TW with 2019 Gravity Pro having 67 RA stiffness?
TW testing is average of a few random racquets. They have errors as well. I have 3 Prince Phantom 100s all have swingweights just below 320... I believe they list as 330.

RA would be a similar story except we mere mortals have no way to actually determine it.
 

dimadima

New User
What did he claim the differences are?
He just said they were different. Very different. He said MP 21 is great and MP19 is sh*t. Tour 19 is great, Tour21 is sh*t. He plays with Yonex 95 racket. Plays tennis from age of 5. He did not believe me that 2021 is just a paint update. And still does not believe. :)
 
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HitMoreBHs

Semi-Pro
He just said they were different. Very different. He said MP 21 is great and MP19 is sh*t. Tour 19 is great, Tour21 is sh*t. He plays with Yonex 95 racket. Plays tennis from age of 5. He did not believe me that 2021 is just a paint update. And still does not believe. :)
Sh*t QC, more like.
 
We don't know exactly what Head is doing and is their plan. If that is QC sh*t - then this is not sh*t but a total **ck up if two "identical" rackets feel like different ones.
On both the 2021 and 2019 head gravity pro I find them to play the same and same response from the string bed. Only difference I seem to find is that the paint on the 2019 version has a smoother glossy finish compared to the 2021 version. Other then that…. They feel the same to me.
 

nov

Semi-Pro
On both the 2021 and 2019 head gravity pro I find them to play the same and same response from the string bed. Only difference I seem to find is that the paint on the 2019 version has a smoother glossy finish compared to the 2021 version. Other then that…. They feel the same to me.
I had 2019 and now playing with 2021 version. 2019 version didnt know specs, but played very soft. Mine 2021 with 67 is stiff racquet. It plays good, but my sensitive arm isnt happy.
 

HitMoreBHs

Semi-Pro
We don't know exactly what Head is doing and is their plan. If that is QC sh*t - then this is not sh*t but a total **ck up if two "identical" rackets feel like different ones.
Regrettably, it’s been known to happen! I’m one of the posters @gold325 mentioned, whose 2019 GTours are 330-335 SW and 1/2pt HL balance strung. They will feel completely different to his with 315 SW.

One cannot make accurate conclusions when comparing racquets without knowing the actual weight, BP and SW.
 

esm

Hall of Fame
We don't know exactly what Head is doing and is their plan. If that is QC sh*t - then this is not sh*t but a total **ck up if two "identical" rackets feel like different ones.
Not only Head. Other manufacturers also have bad QC.
the two 2019 GPros I have. One is a fatty with 7.5 higher SW than the other…. Luckily I don’t mind that, so was able to match both for weight/balance/Swingweight and close enough twistweight. (With the exact same string setup/OG)
 

dimadima

New User
I had 2019 and now playing with 2021 version. 2019 version didnt know specs, but played very soft. Mine 2021 with 67 is stiff racquet. It plays good, but my sensitive arm isnt happy.
So what is that? A QC flaw or a different racket?
 

nov

Semi-Pro
So what is that? A QC flaw or a different racket?
I dont know. I searched forum for other people experience with TW matching service for Gravity racquets and it seems that 2021 racquets are stiffer. Anybody can prove me wrong and show 2019 Gravity Tour/Pro racquet with 67 stiffness.
 

gold325

Rookie
I dont know. I searched forum for other people experience with TW matching service for Gravity racquets and it seems that 2021 racquets are stiffer. Anybody can prove me wrong and show 2019 Gravity Tour/Pro racquet with 67 stiffness.
Wher did this 67 RA stiffness number was come from? I know I have no way to check stiffness other than rely on feel.

The matching service only does WEIGHT, SWINGWEIGHT and BALANCE.. does not do RA. So no way to know stiffness from matching service.

Yonex which everyone claims has great QC also have troubles with SW. I've heard multiple people have issues for last generation and current gens in VCore and VCore Pro
 
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nov

Semi-Pro
Wher did this 67 RA stiffness number was come from? I know I have no way to check stiffness other than rely on feel.

Yonex which everyone claims has great QC also have troubles with SW. I've heard multiple people have issues for last generation and current gens in VCore and VCore Pro
TW matching service give you all specs of the racquet.
I have Pro (2021) with 67 stiffness and Tour (2019) with 61.

There is my matching service with 6 racquets specs for Pro (2021):
WeightSwingweightBalanceStiffness
312,329831,166
31530231,267
313,730131,566
313,82963167
313,130031,567
31330231,566

There is my matching service with 6 racquets specs for Tour (2019):

WeightSwingweightBalanceStiffness
306,729031,960
305,628731,763
305,529432,362
306,429632,562
311,830532,761
3052923261

As you can see for 2021 Pro, all racquets have 66/67 stiffness. Doesnt look like QC issue, because all 6 racquets have about same specs. In other thread i saw someone post Gravity Tour 2021 model matching service specs and few racquets have 65-67 stiffness.
Many people complained about high SW on 2019 Gravity models and in my opinion on 2021 models, they decreased SW a bit and increased stiffness to compensate for SW drop.
 

gold325

Rookie
TW matching service give you all specs of the racquet.
I have Pro (2021) with 67 stiffness and Tour (2019) with 61.

There is my matching service with 6 racquets specs for Pro (2021):
WeightSwingweightBalanceStiffness
312,329831,166
31530231,267
313,730131,566
313,82963167
313,130031,567
31330231,566

There is my matching service with 6 racquets specs for Tour (2019):

WeightSwingweightBalanceStiffness
306,729031,960
305,628731,763
305,529432,362
306,429632,562
311,830532,761
3052923261

As you can see for 2021 Pro, all racquets have 66/67 stiffness. Doesnt look like QC issue, because all 6 racquets have about same specs. In other thread i saw someone post Gravity Tour 2021 model matching service specs and few racquets have 65-67 stiffness.
Many people complained about high SW on 2019 Gravity models and in my opinion on 2021 models, they decreased SW a bit and increased stiffness to compensate for SW drop.
Wow! I guess you did some premium MRT service. My $10 service did only the other parameters. Thank you for this. I should have done this as well.

A new production 20 mm beam racquet with 67 stiffness! Fairly rare in this universe. My guess is the PRO model was heavily changed compared to 2019?

The Tour has 22mm beam with 60-62 stiffness. Very different racquet...
 
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dimadima

New User
Wow! I guess you did some premium MRT service. My $10 service did only the other parameters. Thank you for this. I should have done this as well.

A new production 20 mm beam racquet with 67 stiffness! Fairly rare in this universe. My guess is the PRO model was heavily changed compared to 2019?

The Tour has 22mm beam with 60-62 stiffness. Very different racquet...
Oficcially Head never stated that 2021 is just a color update. Few online "gurus" said that and everybody just continued to repeat this message.
 

dimadima

New User
head may not have come out and said that it’s just a cosmetic change but tennis warehouse and tennis nerd are saying that it’s just a cosmetic change which I’m ok with. I feel from a marketing perspective it’s not a great plan to say “we’ve just changed the paint guys!” Lol.

https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Head_Gravity_Pro_2021/descpageRCHEAD-HRGP.html


https://www.google.com/amp/s/tennis...w-head-gravity-racquets-review-2021/24097/amp
Who is Tennis Nerd to make any statements? A 4.0-4.5 youtuber who just read TW?

I do trust TW, but the guy I talked few days ago is an active player and coach. Measuring rackets by just weight, balance and SW and even RA does not say everything about a racket at all.
 

esm

Hall of Fame
[QUOTE="dimadima, post: 15843774, member: 755400"Measuring rackets by just weight, balance and SW and even RA does not say everything about a racket at all.
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I can see flex being one of other aspects, but are we still taking about comparing two of the (supposedly) same racquets, or two different types of racquets.
 

dimadima

New User
I can see flex being one of other aspects, but are we still taking about comparing two of the (supposedly) same racquets, or two different types of racquets.
I am trying to find out whether MP2019 is the same as MP2021. My friend says they are different. I trust him more than measurements from TW. Would love to see official info from Head somewhere. I am 3.5 and don't feel anything but want to get MP. :)
 

esm

Hall of Fame
I am trying to find out whether MP2019 is the same as MP2021. My friend says they are different. I trust him more than measurements from TW. Would love to see official info from Head somewhere. I am 3.5 and don't feel anything but want to get MP. :)
Yeah I can understand this, but is your friend made this judgement purely by his “feeling” along, or does he also have any measurements?
In any case, I think it is only fair to trust a properly calibrated device/measurement. 8-B
 
Yeah I can understand this, but is your friend made this judgement purely by his “feeling” along, or does he also have any measurements?
In any case, I think it is only fair to trust a properly calibrated device/measurement. 8-B
Even by that I’m sure you’ll find differences between the rackets of the same year and model.
 

gold325

Rookie
Oficcially Head never stated that 2021 is just a color update. Few online "gurus" said that and everybody just continued to repeat this message.
TW did not update their racquetfinder.com database either. It still says 62 RA for the 2021 Pro version
 

dimadima

New User
Yeah I can understand this, but is your friend made this judgement purely by his “feeling” along, or does he also have any measurements?
In any case, I think it is only fair to trust a properly calibrated device/measurement. 8-B
He did not do any measurements, of course. I am not advocating him at all, I wanted to get an MP2019 on sale and he told me not to buy it, so I really wanted to believe that 2021 line is just a color update. But when I look at him and how many different rackets he has and how often he restrings (changing string models and brands too) and how he plays and enjoys it - I trust him more than weight, balance and SW numbers. Once again, I want to be mistaken and get a cheap MP2019. :)
 
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alpenglo

Rookie
As you can see for 2021 Pro, all racquets have 66/67 stiffness. Doesnt look like QC issue, because all 6 racquets have about same specs. In other thread i saw someone post Gravity Tour 2021 model matching service specs and few racquets have 65-67 stiffness.
Many people complained about high SW on 2019 Gravity models and in my opinion on 2021 models, they decreased SW a bit and increased stiffness to compensate for SW drop.
WOW, that's a big difference in stiffness! Are you certain these were all RA tested strung? (apparently strung racquets become more flexible)
 

gold325

Rookie
He did not do any measurements, of course. I am not advocating him at all, I wanted to get an MP2019 on sale and he told me not to buy it, so I really wanted to believe that 2021 line is just a color update. But when I look at him and how many different rackets he has and how often he restrings (changing string models and brands too) and how he plays and enjoys it - I trust him more than weight, balance and SW numbers. Once again, I want to be mistaken and get a cheap MP2019. :)
Are you still able to find MP 2019s? I know **** has some but no way to check specs there. I got my 2019 Tour from Express Tennis 2 weeks ago and paid $10 extra to get them to confirm specs before I bought one.
 

nov

Semi-Pro
WOW, that's a big difference in stiffness! Are you certain these were all RA tested strung? (apparently strung racquets become more flexible)
Its unstrung stiffness. Strung racquet drop 2-3 stiffness. My Tour with 61 vs Pro 67 feels much softer even its only 6 RA apart, but there is big difference. I cant complain about playability though, it plays nice.
 

gold325

Rookie
Its unstrung stiffness. Strung racquet drop 2-3 stiffness. My Tour with 61 vs Pro 67 feels much softer even its only 6 RA apart, but there is big difference. I cant complain about playability though, it plays nice.
6 RA is the difference between a control racquet and a control tweener. But the Pro has the thin beam and 18x20 so that adds back the control I guess and only people with good swings and technique would buy this anyway.

This Pro basically is a tour level racquet for mere mortals who like thin beams and 100sq frames... ROTFL
 
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