Head Gravity

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Cool! I didn’t know that. May I ask what modifications are you planning for it?
I will add weight at 3,9, and either side of 12 o'clock (doesn't interfere with the stringing machine clamp). The amount of weight and placement will be determined after I hit with it stock and determine what I think needs to be enhanced. Then I will add weight in the handle to increase the HL balance. Whether this will be silicone in the handle or just Tungsten Tape at 7" above the butt cap and some at the bottom of the butt cap, will be determined by the feel of the racquet when it is stock. I would probably look to give the racquet a static weight of around 330-340g and hopefully a SW of 325-335. If the racquet could be around 7-8 pts HL, that would be great too.

Hope that helps.
 

colan5934

Semi-Pro
Interesting!

Do you think the Speed MP had lower/higher pwr than the Clash?

Therefore does the Gravity come in a bit too underpowered? (mods would help...)
Depends how you define power. I think the ball shoots off of the Speed MP pretty quickly but with a controllable launch angle. The Clash keeps the ball on the strings longer with a higher launch angle but not a lot of putaway power in stock form. The Gravity is more like a Pure Storm/Pure Strike VS or Prestige S where it's light and maneuverable and gives the ball what you put into your swing. If you can get balanced, transfer weight, and hit the outside of the ball, you can hit it solidly with this stick, but if you're looking for extra help, you might not find it. Keep in mind, I only hit this one for 40 minutes or so and haven't been back out with it. Your mileage may vary.
 

guilhermefdc

New User
The weight distribution is very different, new models have a high TW for example, the IG Speeds had pretty low TW's.
It seems so - TW’s racquet comparison tool has been updated with data for the Gravity Pro: lower flex (62 vs 66), higher twistweight (14.5 vs 11.6) and a... massive sweetspot? (17 sq in vs 11 for the IG Speed 18x20)
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
It seems so - TW’s racquet comparison tool has been updated with data for the Gravity Pro: lower flex (62 vs 66), higher twistweight (14.5 vs 11.6) and a... massive sweetspot? (17 sq in vs 11 for the IG Speed 18x20)
Nothing that a bit of Tungsten Tape can't fix... and there are IG Speeds with lower RA. In fact, you could buy two for the price and then experiment... just a thought.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
It seems so - TW’s racquet comparison tool has been updated with data for the Gravity Pro: lower flex (62 vs 66), higher twistweight (14.5 vs 11.6) and a... massive sweetspot? (17 sq in vs 11 for the IG Speed 18x20)
Using the same comparison tool the Prince Phantom Pro 100 (18x20) fares even better... Lower RA than Gravity Pro (55 Vs 62), higher TW (15 vs 14.5) and the same size Sweetspot (17 sq in). Cheaper price.
 

TennisHound

Legend
Nothing that a bit of Tungsten Tape can't fix... and there are IG Speeds with lower RA. In fact, you could buy two for the price and then experiment... just a thought.
Yep, that's what I'm thinking. I need to look back in this forum and see what the twist weight is for the Pro. The SW seems really high for the Pro (330+), with a low flex (62). This could mean the Graphene process will rear it’s ugly head and it will have a very weak throat, in order for Head to reach the low RA numbers. The IG Speed MP 315 flex was around 64, but with a significantly lower SW (313ish unstrung?).
 
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guilhermefdc

New User
Using the same comparison tool the Prince Phantom Pro 100 (18x20) fares even better... Lower RA than Gravity Pro (55 Vs 62), higher TW (15 vs 14.5) and the same size Sweetspot (17 sq in). Cheaper price.
Wow! I hadn’t seen that one before! Seems like a great frame. I probably won’t be able to test it, though - the Prince Phantoms apparently didn’t come to Brazil :-/
 

sshin12

Rookie
Is the Gravity line supposed to replace the pre-Graphene Radicals/Prestiges?

I've been trying to figure out which of the latest rackets from Head are supposed to be similar to the pre-Graphene Radicals. The new Radicals are rated as much stiffer and do not even come in 18x20 anymore. I recall a TTW post that says if you've been using the MG Radical, its not even worth trying the latest Radicals.


Also... where have I seen this design before???

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Murray_fan1

Professional
Managed to get my hands on a Gravity Tour. Although the weather is not cooperating for some tennis at the moment, I have some high hopes for this one based on the way it feels in hand. Weight and balance feels perfect when swinging the racquet.

A couple basic observations:

Quality control for my stick seems good as it is exactly 305 grams.

The grips shape on the Tour feels like the regular TK82 not the TK82S reported previous.


Much better looking in person then what the pics portray imo.

The weather forecast looks a little more promising for tomorrow so hopefully I can post some initial observations of what it feels like on court.
 
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Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Managed to get my hands on a Gravity Tour. Although the weather is not cooperating for some tennis at the moment, I have some high hopes for this one based on the way it feels in hand. Weight and balance feels perfect when swinging the racquet.

A couple basic observations:

Quality control for my stick seems good as it is exactly 305 grams.

The grips shape on the Tour feels like the regular TK82 not the TK82S reported previous.


Much better looking in person then what the pics portray imo.

The weather forecast looks a little more promising for tomorrow so hopefully I can post some initial observations of what it feels like on court.
Awesome, you got the good one!
 

Zoolander

Hall of Fame
Is the Gravity line supposed to replace the pre-Graphene Radicals/Prestiges?

I've been trying to figure out which of the latest rackets from Head are supposed to be similar to the pre-Graphene Radicals. The new Radicals are rated as much stiffer and do not even come in 18x20 anymore. I recall a TTW post that says if you've been using the MG Radical, its not even worth trying the latest Radicals.


Also... where have I seen this design before???

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The old radicals died when crapene came in, the new ones have the same name and thats about it. Same as the old extremes and the new ones. I suppose spec wise the closest head racquets to the old rads are the touch speed mp and pro?
 

Murray_fan1

Professional
Okay, so I had a chance to get a couple hits in with the Gravity Tour. I can honestly say this is best Head frame I have hit with in recent memory and is a huge step in the right direction in bring back some of the classic attributes that made so many of us fans years ago.

Gravity Tour 18x20 305 grams unstrung.

Background: 5.0 all court player with one handed back hand.

String and tension used: Tier One Durraflux 1.18 50lbs ( my go to for testing)

Time on court: 6hrs

Pros:
  • Weight and balance feel just about perfect in stock form.
  • Vastly improved feel with a better connection to the ball.
  • Good control, tight pattern and lower trajectory allow you to really go after smaller targets without fear of over hitting.
  • Large sweet spot. Mishits are much easier to deal with thanks to the enlarged sweet spot.
  • Thin beam.
Cons (for me at least) :
  • Roundish head leaves something to be desired. If you are a fan of Prince or the older Head Extreme then you will be at home with this one. I find the rounder head shape to be a little cumbersome and feel it hinders the maneuverability compared to traditional frame shape or Yonex head shapes.
  • Lower powered then I would like. Given I am now in my early forties, a little boost in power is always welcome. This is not Prestige low but does not pack the same kind of punch as competing racquets like the Blade or TFight 305, Strike or Vcore 98 305. Lead tape could fix some of this for sure but I don’t want to tinker too much and make it cumbersome given the swing weight feels near perfect in stock form.
  • Although this is not a fault of the racquet but I kind of wish that this had the 16x20 pattern or 18x19 pattern for easier access to spin. Spin is still accessible but I wish it was slightly more open like the MP.
Summary:

This is a solid new line by Head and gives me hope for the other lines in the future. After about 6 hrs court time I don’t think this is going to be something I am going to switch to as I would have to change too many aspects of my game to be effective with it. There is plenty here for Head fans to be excited about especially if you liked the rounder head shape of the Extreme/Prince and wanted something with more feel and control. I suspect this might be the best in the Gravity line up and is a shame it is not available yet in the US market. I think I will probably end up selling this on the boards in the near future and put future demos on hold until the new 16x19 Blade comes out.
 

HitTheBall

New User
Great review thank you! Which racquet(s) do you normally play with? I’m guessing they have more inherent punch? How would the the spin and power relate to an Ultra Tour?
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Okay, so I had a chance to get a couple hits in with the Gravity Tour. I can honestly say this is best Head frame I have hit with in recent memory and is a huge step in the right direction in bring back some of the classic attributes that made so many of us fans years ago.

Gravity Tour 18x20 305 grams unstrung.

Background: 5.0 all court player with one handed back hand.

String and tension used: Tier One Durraflux 1.18 50lbs ( my go to for testing)

Time on court: 6hrs

Pros:
  • Weight and balance feel just about perfect in stock form.
  • Vastly improved feel with a better connection to the ball.
  • Good control, tight pattern and lower trajectory allow you to really go after smaller targets without fear of over hitting.
  • Large sweet spot. Mishits are much easier to deal with thanks to the enlarged sweet spot.
  • Thin beam.
Cons (for me at least) :
  • Roundish head leaves something to be desired. If you are a fan of Prince or the older Head Extreme then you will be at home with this one. I find the rounder head shape to be a little cumbersome and feel it hinders the maneuverability compared to traditional frame shape or Yonex head shapes.
  • Lower powered then I would like. Given I am now in my early forties, a little boost in power is always welcome. This is not Prestige low but does not pack the same kind of punch as competing racquets like the Blade or TFight 305, Strike or Vcore 98 305. Lead tape could fix some of this for sure but I don’t want to tinker too much and make it cumbersome given the swing weight feels near perfect in stock form.
  • Although this is not a fault of the racquet but I kind of wish that this had the 16x20 pattern or 18x19 pattern for easier access to spin. Spin is still accessible but I wish it was slightly more open like the MP.
Summary:

This is a solid new line by Head and gives me hope for the other lines in the future. After about 6 hrs court time I don’t think this is going to be something I am going to switch to as I would have to change too many aspects of my game to be effective with it. There is plenty here for Head fans to be excited about especially if you liked the rounder head shape of the Extreme/Prince and wanted something with more feel and control. I suspect this might be the best in the Gravity line up and is a shame it is not available yet in the US market. I think I will probably end up selling this on the boards in the near future and put future demos on hold until the new 16x19 Blade comes out.
Awesome review!! Based on that, I am too grooved with the power of the Extreme MP to hunt this version down. Thanks for the Blade comparison. That’s the frame I want to check out as well but I am leaning towards the 18x20 version there since it sounds like the new ones are pretty soft. Not sure if you tried the new Extreme MP, but based on this review, I think you may really like it.
 

Murray_fan1

Professional
Great review thank you! Which racquet(s) do you normally play with? I’m guessing they have more inherent punch? How would the the spin and power relate to an Ultra Tour?
Thanks! Spin and power would be slightly greater on the Gravity. The Ultra Tour needs a little lead to bring the best out of the racquet IMO. The sweet spot is significantly bigger on the Tour.

I am currently hitting with the VCore Pro 97 310 and the Tfight 315 Ltd.
 

Murray_fan1

Professional
Awesome review!! Based on that, I am too grooved with the power of the Extreme MP to hunt this version down. Thanks for the Blade comparison. That’s the frame I want to check out as well but I am leaning towards the 18x20 version there since it sounds like the new ones are pretty soft. Not sure if you tried the new Extreme MP, but based on this review, I think you may really like it.
Yeah, has been on my radar to try given it’s high praise from guys like you. My only worry is that the pattern might be a bit too open for my liking similar to the Pure Aero.
 

Hankenstein

Hall of Fame
Okay, so I had a chance to get a couple hits in with the Gravity Tour. I can honestly say this is best Head frame I have hit with in recent memory and is a huge step in the right direction in bring back some of the classic attributes that made so many of us fans years ago.

Gravity Tour 18x20 305 grams unstrung.

Background: 5.0 all court player with one handed back hand.

String and tension used: Tier One Durraflux 1.18 50lbs ( my go to for testing)

Time on court: 6hrs

Pros:
  • Weight and balance feel just about perfect in stock form.
  • Vastly improved feel with a better connection to the ball.
  • Good control, tight pattern and lower trajectory allow you to really go after smaller targets without fear of over hitting.
  • Large sweet spot. Mishits are much easier to deal with thanks to the enlarged sweet spot.
  • Thin beam.
Cons (for me at least) :
  • Roundish head leaves something to be desired. If you are a fan of Prince or the older Head Extreme then you will be at home with this one. I find the rounder head shape to be a little cumbersome and feel it hinders the maneuverability compared to traditional frame shape or Yonex head shapes.
  • Lower powered then I would like. Given I am now in my early forties, a little boost in power is always welcome. This is not Prestige low but does not pack the same kind of punch as competing racquets like the Blade or TFight 305, Strike or Vcore 98 305. Lead tape could fix some of this for sure but I don’t want to tinker too much and make it cumbersome given the swing weight feels near perfect in stock form.
  • Although this is not a fault of the racquet but I kind of wish that this had the 16x20 pattern or 18x19 pattern for easier access to spin. Spin is still accessible but I wish it was slightly more open like the MP.
Summary:

This is a solid new line by Head and gives me hope for the other lines in the future. After about 6 hrs court time I don’t think this is going to be something I am going to switch to as I would have to change too many aspects of my game to be effective with it. There is plenty here for Head fans to be excited about especially if you liked the rounder head shape of the Extreme/Prince and wanted something with more feel and control. I suspect this might be the best in the Gravity line up and is a shame it is not available yet in the US market. I think I will probably end up selling this on the boards in the near future and put future demos on hold until the new 16x19 Blade comes out.
Have you tried the Gravity Pro as well? I have "only" tried the MP and Pro versions and absolutely LOVED the pro. I was a big fan of the old extreme´s Head shape and also played a long time with the first, white Youtek Speed Pro (the ultra thin 335 gram 16/19 version) The 16/19 version I had some issues of length control with. I could not step on the gas as i could in with the Pro.

I wil get the chance to try the tour in about a weeks time and then i will decide what frames to order. Either pro or tour. Pro version is one of few frames that i would just slap on an overgrip and be ready to go. No mods needed on that frame.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah, has been on my radar to try given it’s high praise from guys like you. My only worry is that the pattern might be a bit too open for my liking similar to the Pure Aero.
Yeah that was my concern as well. It is open but it plays a lot more controlled than I expected, plus the strings last longer. Not really sure how that is, but its been my experience so far.
 

Murray_fan1

Professional
Yeah that was my concern as well. It is open but it plays a lot more controlled than I expected, plus the strings last longer. Not really sure how that is, but its been my experience so far.
Well that is positive. I found the Pure Aero killed strings so quickly and the reviews I have seen on the Extreme all seem to mention a super open pattern? The specs are what I would typically like other than the beam width.
 

Murray_fan1

Professional
Have you tried the Gravity Pro as well? I have "only" tried the MP and Pro versions and absolutely LOVED the pro. I was a big fan of the old extreme´s Head shape and also played a long time with the first, white Youtek Speed Pro (the ultra thin 335 gram 16/19 version) The 16/19 version I had some issues of length control with. I could not step on the gas as i could in with the Pro.

I wil get the chance to try the tour in about a weeks time and then i will decide what frames to order. Either pro or tour. Pro version is one of few frames that i would just slap on an overgrip and be ready to go. No mods needed on that frame.
No only the Tour. I took a chance based on the specs and my personal preferences. They should play fairly similar I would think.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Thanks! Spin and power would be slightly greater on the Gravity. The Ultra Tour needs a little lead to bring the best out of the racquet IMO. The sweet spot is significantly bigger on the Tour.

I am currently hitting with the VCore Pro 97 310 and the Tfight 315 Ltd.
Not sure if I've asked you before, but have you ever tried the Youtek IG Radical Pro...? It has a 16x19 string pattern (with 8 mains in the throat), 98 sq in, quite a bit of power (compared to my IG Prestige MP and the TFight 315 Limited), and has a lower RA (62 from memory). For me personally, it just needed a bit of weight in the handle to change the balance and it was excellent. if it wasn't for my insatiable racquet collecting, I'd happily use it as my racquet of choice.
 

Murray_fan1

Professional
Not sure if I've asked you before, but have you ever tried the Youtek IG Radical Pro...? It has a 16x19 string pattern (with 8 mains in the throat), 98 sq in, quite a bit of power (compared to my IG Prestige MP and the TFight 315 Limited), and has a lower RA (62 from memory). For me personally, it just needed a bit of weight in the handle to change the balance and it was excellent. if it wasn't for my insatiable racquet collecting, I'd happily use it as my racquet of choice.
Yes, I used this stick when it came out. I did find the stock balance a little cumbersome so weight in the handle makes a lot of sense.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Well that is positive. I found the Pure Aero killed strings so quickly and the reviews I have seen on the Extreme all seem to mention a super open pattern? The specs are what I would typically like other than the beam width.
Pattern is open for sure, but somehow the stringbed lasts longer for me and the control is crazy good. I am guessing it is the grommets used or the way they drilled the pattern. I am honestly not sure how they pulled it off.
 
Yes, I used this stick when it came out. I did find the stock balance a little cumbersome so weight in the handle makes a lot of sense.
I am hitting with Vcore Pro and Tec LTD 315 as well. interested in Tour version, however, it's not released in US market right? When can I get it...
 

AA7

Semi-Pro
I am hitting with Vcore Pro and Tec LTD 315 as well. interested in Tour version, however, it's not released in US market right? When can I get it...
Not sure about the extra shipping cost but you can order from twe.. assuming you would do so without demoing... I am waiting for reviews from European tt fellows but specs do seem sweet on the tour...
 

HitTheBall

New User
Thanks! Spin and power would be slightly greater on the Gravity. The Ultra Tour needs a little lead to bring the best out of the racquet IMO. The sweet spot is significantly bigger on the Tour.

I am currently hitting with the VCore Pro 97 310 and the Tfight 315 Ltd.
Two very nice racquets - right up my street!
Excellent, so it sounds like the gravity Pro will be like a more forgiving version of my modified Ultra Tour which has almost the exact same specs as the Pro. I’m thinking it might help on the high forehands on the clay courts, those winter days in poor artificial light, and more racquet face to play with on those topspin serves. I’ll be giving it a go....
 

Peedub

New User
Just had a brief hit with the Tour and the Pro the headline is that they are fantastic frames.

Background - 4.5 player just got into the Clash 98 from VC95 looking for a bit more stability and power to give my injured wrist a rest.

When I first got the frames and did a few shadow swings it was hard to tell which frame one was which. The Pro weighed in at 329g strung and the Tour 323g strung so the Pro was a little bit underweight against listed spec.

On court with the Pro first and I could immediately feel the swingweight compared to the Clash - bit more effort required to get the racquet head moving but contact was so sweet and the stability amazing. Groundstrokes were effortlessly deep with enough control and stability when hitting against a heavy ball.

The Tour had the same responsive feel – stable and controlled but more manoeuvrable (unsurprisingly). With the Tour I found myself hitting with more spin and a more arcing shot whereas the Pro leant itself to a flatter more penetrating shot.

Serves were a similar story (didn’t get to serve much) – Pro great for flatter serves, Tour better for spin serves.

These are demos from TWE so will have to return them in a few days but I have a match this week and will probably use the Tour but I would like to give the Pro a longer test run to see if I can adapt to the higher swingweight. I am close to buying one but am undecided (probably end up with both tbh). If the Tour existed without the Pro then I would be happy and vice versa but they are both available and so similar that to choose between them would take a bit longer.

In summary both had fantastic feel and stability – both very similar (interstingly, shadow swings at the end of the hit I was able to tell the difference), but each one offered something a bit different. I think the Tour is closer to the static weight and swingweight that I am used to so I was able to manoeuvre it better, but the Pro is something special and with time I would be able to get used to it.

Looking forward to seeing how they perform in my match.
 

mhkeuns

Hall of Fame
Just when I thought my holism was slowing down, this line from Head comes out... Softer than current Radicals and offers more pop than Prestige with similar control? Sounds like this frame tried to cover it all. Really am interested in the Pro version. Does Tour version play similarly to the Pro version but slightly lighter?

By the way, it looks like it plays really close to the Prince Phantom Pro 100 18x20. Can anyone make some comparisons?
 

mhkeuns

Hall of Fame
Just had a brief hit with the Tour and the Pro the headline is that they are fantastic frames.

Background - 4.5 player just got into the Clash 98 from VC95 looking for a bit more stability and power to give my injured wrist a rest.

When I first got the frames and did a few shadow swings it was hard to tell which frame one was which. The Pro weighed in at 329g strung and the Tour 323g strung so the Pro was a little bit underweight against listed spec.

On court with the Pro first and I could immediately feel the swingweight compared to the Clash - bit more effort required to get the racquet head moving but contact was so sweet and the stability amazing. Groundstrokes were effortlessly deep with enough control and stability when hitting against a heavy ball.

The Tour had the same responsive feel – stable and controlled but more manoeuvrable (unsurprisingly). With the Tour I found myself hitting with more spin and a more arcing shot whereas the Pro leant itself to a flatter more penetrating shot.

Serves were a similar story (didn’t get to serve much) – Pro great for flatter serves, Tour better for spin serves.

These are demos from TWE so will have to return them in a few days but I have a match this week and will probably use the Tour but I would like to give the Pro a longer test run to see if I can adapt to the higher swingweight. I am close to buying one but am undecided (probably end up with both tbh). If the Tour existed without the Pro then I would be happy and vice versa but they are both available and so similar that to choose between them would take a bit longer.

In summary both had fantastic feel and stability – both very similar (interstingly, shadow swings at the end of the hit I was able to tell the difference), but each one offered something a bit different. I think the Tour is closer to the static weight and swingweight that I am used to so I was able to manoeuvre it better, but the Pro is something special and with time I would be able to get used to it.

Looking forward to seeing how they perform in my match.
Nice review. Thanks.
 

Howard H

Rookie
Just when I thought my holism was slowing down, this line from Head comes out... Softer than current Radicals and offers more pop than Prestige with similar control? Sounds like this frame tried to cover it all. Really am interested in the Pro version. Does Tour version play similarly to the Pro version but slightly lighter?

By the way, it looks like it plays really close to the Prince Phantom Pro 100 18x20. Can anyone make some comparisons?
The Tour unfortunately is not available in US. It has a 22mm beam instead 20mm of Pro.
 
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