Head IPrestige Mid vs. LM Mid

#1
I have a question to all Prestige Mid experts out there.
I did a trade deal with a co-member of TT, and I had to choose between an IPrestige Mid and a LM Mid
I choose the IPrestige
Did I choose wisely?
I have a very good looking Prestige 600 Classic, and I read the "I" version plays closer to the classic, the LM is a bit stiffer.
I don't know, I never played with any of them.
Thoughts?
 

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#4
A lot of people rate the Intelligence line very highly. I would say though that they definitely play stiffer than the liquid metal series.

I never hit the LM Mid. I remember it got very high marks here in it's TW playtest back in the day. The mid plus was initially a nice hit for me - felt very soft, but then for whatever reason it began to feel a little tinny. I'd like to try it again - I had a few frames to test that day so I put it down and never went back to it. It played a lot better and felt a lot better than the LM Radical though - that wasn't a pleasant hit at all.

You should enjoy the iPrestige. It's a good stick. It wasn't my taste but like I said, it get's a lot of love around here.
 
#5
I have all the prestige mids, and iPrestige is my favourite after the original prestige.it is a bit stiffer hence has a bit more power than the original. It plays stiffer than the liquidmetal, and lower swing weight. it also generally sells for higher price than the liquidmetal version on 2nd hand market... so good choice :)
 
#6
Ok, thanks to you all for nice input
I'll post pics when the racquet arrives here
My only problem is the 1/2 grip size, that's too big for me, if anyone has any has some spare pallets to sell please let me know
 
#7
Here's the promised pics, hope you enjoy them, the racquet is actually in a very good condition, just a couple of paint dents and light brush on the CAP

Please, if someone has spare pallets for this one (TK82s, if i'm correct) PM me. This is an L4 or 1/2, too big for me, and the Head's oval shaped handle is kind of awkward for a regular Wilson user too. I don't know if TK82s are different, but I hope they are

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#9
It looks good. I'll have her restrung soon, and see how it plays. I'm thinking of a thin monofilament strung lower than I usually like, something like 23 or 24 kgs. My coach has some spare sets of MSV 1.15 (I usually go with 1.23), I might go with this one
 
#11
I already hit with it, about 15 minutes.
Feels different, for worst, compared to the PC 600 Classic I also have. I'm not very impressed with it. The racquet feels sluggish, and that wonderful soft feeling from the PC 600 is gone
It's funny, when I hold the racquet, she feels way heavier than my 6.0 95's. Than I checked on a scale, and surprise, 6 grams lighter (340 to 346)
I'll give it a second try today, but usually when the 1st. impression is not ok, it's hard to go better with time.
 
#12
I already hit with it, about 15 minutes.
Feels different, for worst, compared to the PC 600 Classic I also have. I'm not very impressed with it. The racquet feels sluggish, and that wonderful soft feeling from the PC 600 is gone
It's funny, when I hold the racquet, she feels way heavier than my 6.0 95's. Than I checked on a scale, and surprise, 6 grams lighter (340 to 346)
I'll give it a second try today, but usually when the 1st. impression is not ok, it's hard to go better with time.

What tension did you string it? For me 40-45lbs works best. Any higher and it feels like a board.

Small head, dense string pattern, string low and really hit out. Any deviation from this formula will land the ball near the service line with not too much pace behind it.

It's a fun frame if you like crushing the ball cus everything stays in. Thiem would play great with this thing.
 
#13
What tension did you string it? For me 40-45lbs works best. Any higher and it feels like a board.

Small head, dense string pattern, string low and really hit out. Any deviation from this formula will land the ball near the service line with not too much pace behind it.

It's a fun frame if you like crushing the ball cus everything stays in. Thiem would play great with this thing.
I have my pro staffs strung high, at 27 kgs. I'm aware of the smaller head size and the denser string pattern, so I asked 23 kg, that's about 50 lbs, so it's low in my book
I can generate power easily, I'm used to heavy racquets, and my strokes are more on the flat side, with loose arm motion. I would love this Prestiges on an open string pattern version, for sure.
This is just my opinion, but 18x20 on a small 90 sq.i. it's too dense. Than, there's the Head handle shape that I'm not used too, and the 1/2 size. If I felt in love by this racquet, I would go with pallets change route, but no. I had another 15 minute hit Friday, and didn't connect again. I can hit deep and heavy with my forehand, but my one hander suffers a lot. Slice is very good, but I need an open string pattern to generate spin from the backhand side. And it's not a great net racquet too. Too sluggish, great for punching, not that great for touch and angled shots
Anyway, I put it for sale or trade on the Portuguese market, for now. I'm more interested in a local trade where I can see the racquet live, and even test it.
But I'm open to offers from anywhere, so feel free to PM me with your proposals
 
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I have my pro staffs strung high, at 27 kgs. I'm aware of the smaller head size and the denser string pattern, so I asked 23 kg, that's about 50 lbs, so it's low in my book
I can generate power easily, I'm used to heavy racquets, and my strokes are more on the flat side, with loose arm motion. I would love this Prestiges on an open string pattern version, for sure.
This is just my opinion, but 18x20 on a small 90 sq.i. it's too dense. Than, there's the Head handle shape that I'm not used too, and the 1/2 size. If I felt in love by this racquet, I would go with pallets change route, but no. I had another 15 minute hit Friday, and didn't connect again. I can hit deep and heavy with my forehand, but my one hander suffers a lot. Slice is very good, but I need an open string pattern to generate spin from the backhand side. And it's not a great net racquet too. Too sluggish, great for punching, not that great for touch and angled shots
Anyway, I put it for sale or trade on the Portuguese market, for now. I'm more interested in a local trade where I can see the racquet live, and even test it.
But I'm open to offers from anywhere, so feel free to PM me with your proposals
You make some excellent points. A 18X20 on a 90 is very dense, and I agree with your views on the handle as I've always found the Head grips to be too rectangular. I'm mainly an open pattern Wilson guy, K90, RF97, etc.
You could always change the grip pallet to a Wilson shape, and add a leather grip to make it less sluggish and more headlight -------------- but then, you'd still have the small head the the dense string pattern. Sounds like it's
time to sell it.

What frames have you used in the past?
 
#15
You make some excellent points. A 18X20 on a 90 is very dense, and I agree with your views on the handle as I've always found the Head grips to be too rectangular. I'm mainly an open pattern Wilson guy, K90, RF97, etc.
You could always change the grip pallet to a Wilson shape, and add a leather grip to make it less sluggish and more headlight -------------- but then, you'd still have the small head the the dense string pattern. Sounds like it's
time to sell it.

What frames have you used in the past?
Oh man, I have 35 years of tennis, I can't remember all of them - and I'm a modest collector, I have 30 something racquets now
I'm mostly a pro staff user, in my bag I usually carry pro staff 6.0 95 (my go to frame) and 85, Slazenger Pro Braided (that's a lighter 6.1 classic, mine is weighted up to 340 grams, and I might add a little more) and a Dunlop Ag 300 Tour, and this one plays pretty much as a big Prestige. Has you can see, I like classic feeling racquets, or players frames, if preferred. I'm refurbishing a nice Dunlop Aerogel 200 16x19, just waiting for new grommets to have her restrung, and give it a go
I usually like 18x20 in bigger head sizes, say 98 and up. On smaller ones, open string pattern is how I love them.
This Prestige in particular feels a bit stiffer than I expected, I have a PC 600 that feels like silk, with a wonderful loud sound from the stringbed. With an open string pattern and the right handle shape, I could do this my go to racket. The "i" version feels stiffer, the sound is muffled, and it's way less manoeuvrable than the PC. Perhaps smaller rounded pallets would improve it, but they don't come cheap, and that's something we don't have here in Portugal, so I would have to ship them from UK or Spain, and pay someone to change them. I prefer to keep the racquet original, with the "i" butt cap, and try a deal with someone
I'm curious about the PS 97S, that's the only thin squared beam pro staff available now, I could certainly trade my iPrestige for one of these
 
#16
Oh man, I have 35 years of tennis, I can't remember all of them - and I'm a modest collector, I have 30 something racquets now
I'm mostly a pro staff user, in my bag I usually carry pro staff 6.0 95 (my go to frame) and 85, Slazenger Pro Braided (that's a lighter 6.1 classic, mine is weighted up to 340 grams, and I might add a little more) and a Dunlop Ag 300 Tour, and this one plays pretty much as a big Prestige. Has you can see, I like classic feeling racquets, or players frames, if preferred. I'm refurbishing a nice Dunlop Aerogel 200 16x19, just waiting for new grommets to have her restrung, and give it a go
I usually like 18x20 in bigger head sizes, say 98 and up. On smaller ones, open string pattern is how I love them.
This Prestige in particular feels a bit stiffer than I expected, I have a PC 600 that feels like silk, with a wonderful loud sound from the stringbed. With an open string pattern and the right handle shape, I could do this my go to racket. The "i" version feels stiffer, the sound is muffled, and it's way less manoeuvrable than the PC. Perhaps smaller rounded pallets would improve it, but they don't come cheap, and that's something we don't have here in Portugal, so I would have to ship them from UK or Spain, and pay someone to change them. I prefer to keep the racquet original, with the "i" butt cap, and try a deal with someone
I'm curious about the PS 97S, that's the only thin squared beam pro staff available now, I could certainly trade my iPrestige for one of these
I think you would probably like Prince TT95 or the Prince P93. I really like the iPrestige Mid even better than my Pro Tour 630, which is softer like your PC600. I also like stiffer frames, but it seems as a Pro Staff guy you would as well.

Before you sell it, try going even lower with your tension down to 40-45 and adding a leather grip to make it more headlight/ more maneuverable. I'm suggesting this because you like your PC600, which is also a tight pattern smaller frame.
 
#17
I think you would probably like Prince TT95 or the Prince P93. I really like the iPrestige Mid even better than my Pro Tour 630, which is softer like your PC600. I also like stiffer frames, but it seems as a Pro Staff guy you would as well.

Before you sell it, try going even lower with your tension down to 40-45 and adding a leather grip to make it more headlight/ more maneuverable. I'm suggesting this because you like your PC600, which is also a tight pattern smaller frame.
I'm not a fan of Price racquets, I have two POG's, one is an old Series 90, the other is a recent Tour 93, I've had one Diablo MP, and recently I had a test period with a Tour 100 18x20 and a Tour 98. None of them felt ok. Prince is a great brand, I know they have good quality racquets, but I don't like the way they feel. The handle shape is a bit odd too. I have a Prince clone from Avery (do you know this brand ?) that I absolutely love, the M3 control, great racquet for pure classic feeling racquets lovers.
The TT 95 is one of those I think I could connect with, the specs are right in my alley, with a little extra weight added. It's in my radar since she was launched.The P93 still haven't pay much attention, I read a couple of positive play-tests but that's all. Besides, Prince is not a very common racquet here in Portugal, apart from the those Tour 100's.
Adding a leather grip is not choice due to the grip size. I can play with leather on 1/4 max, the Prestige's is 1/2. Some lead on the handle could help too, but for now I'm not planing on start tinkering with weight.
With time, tension will drop a bit, and I'll see if the general feeling improved. But right now, I'm not worried about this racquet, I have plenty to have fun with, I stashed 6.0 95's for years, and the Ag 200 will be my next toy. The Prestige will be sold or traded, or I might just keep it has a good looking piece
 
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I'm not a fan of Price racquets, I have two POG's, one is an old Series 90, the other is a recent Tour 93, I've had one Diablo MP, and recently I had a test period with a Tour 100 18x20 and a Tour 98. None of them felt ok. Prince is a great brand, I know they have good quality racquets, but I don't like the way they feel. The handle shape is a bit odd too. I have a Prince clone from Avery (do you know this brand ?) that I absolutely love, the M3 control, great racquet for pure classic feeling racquets lovers.
The TT 95 is one of those I think I could connect with, the specs are right in my alley, with a little extra weight added. It's in my radar since she was launched.The P93 still haven't pay much attention, I read a couple of positive play-tests but that's all. Besides, Prince is not a very common racquet here in Portugal, apart from the those Tour 100's.
Adding a leather grip is not choice due to the grip size. I can play with leather on 1/4 max, the Prestige's is 1/2. Some lead on the handle could help too, but for now I'm not planing on start tinkering with weight.
With time, tension will drop a bit, and I'll see if the general feeling improved. But right now, I'm not worried about this racquet, I have plenty to have fun with, I stashed 6.0 95's for years, and the Ag 200 will be my next toy. The Prestige will be sold or traded, or I might just keep it has a good looking piece
You can get a 1/4 or 1/8 grip pallet for the Head and then add leather grip or get a current head buttcap with a trap door and add weight. LOL. Have you tried the RF97? That's my main racquet for years.
 
#19
You can get a 1/4 or 1/8 grip pallet for the Head and then add leather grip or get a current head buttcap with a trap door and add weight. LOL. Have you tried the RF97? That's my main racquet for years.
I'll think about tinkering with weight/balance if the racquet improves his feeling once the strings drop a bit of tension - if I don't get a trade deal meanwhile
Never tried the RF, I hit a couple of shots with the PS 97 original, felt way more like a modified Blade than a real pro staff.
The RF, according to some playtesters, feels like a bigger more powerful and less maneuverable 6.1 16x18. I had a 6.1 period in the past, played with the classic and the N-Code, both in 16x18, I still have some 6.1's laying around. It's a racquet that I feel very little curiosity about, I don't like stiff racquets (RA at 68 is almost Babolat zone) and I'm not a fan of Federer. The 97s is way closer to what I would search if I were looking for a current pro staff: lower RA, square shaped beam, braided graphite layup, my only issue is that spin effect string bed.
I'm looking for a specific 97 right now, the Dunlop Aerogel 300 16x19 - I have the Tour version, if this racquet had an open string pattern it would be almost perfect, that's why the 16x19 should be very nice. This one, and an old dream, trying to find a fair priced non customized H22. That's a step I might try to take in the future
 
#20
I just quickly looked on the auction site and found a Dunlop Aerogel 300. Very cheap too. I have 3 of the rare H19's in a 16X19 pattern in my collection. The RF97 is very similar to the H22. Oh, have you tried the Blade 93? Also a 18X20, but fairly thin beam and lots of fun.
 
#21
RF97 being close to H22 it's a first to me. Never hit with any H22 or H19 but they're supposed to be flexible racquets, with RA's around 58 to low 60's. The RF is known to be stiff, I would be surprised if that was completely true
Only hit a couple of minutes with a Blade 93, same guy who owned the PS 97 (he's a Wilson freak, a bit like me). Felt a bit to stiff for my liking, again small head with tight string pattern is not my favorite formula
The Ag 300 is in my watch list. I bought two of them recently, but both came out cracked, I was very disappointed even with the full refund I got from the seller
 
#22
RF97 being close to H22 it's a first to me. Never hit with any H22 or H19 but they're supposed to be flexible racquets, with RA's around 58 to low 60's. The RF is known to be stiff, I would be surprised if that was completely true
Only hit a couple of minutes with a Blade 93, same guy who owned the PS 97 (he's a Wilson freak, a bit like me). Felt a bit to stiff for my liking, again small head with tight string pattern is not my favorite formula
The Ag 300 is in my watch list. I bought two of them recently, but both came out cracked, I was very disappointed even with the full refund I got from the seller
Mold and layup are two different things. There’s a variety of layups available in the H22 mold.
 
#26
It looks good. I'll have her restrung soon, and see how it plays. I'm thinking of a thin monofilament strung lower than I usually like, something like 23 or 24 kgs. My coach has some spare sets of MSV 1.15 (I usually go with 1.23), I might go with this one
Antonis- I have a few of the I-Prestige mid's. I string my frames with Klip Legend gut in the mains @44lbs. and Head (yellow) Lynx in the crosses @40lbs. Lower in the winter months. Remember one thing, strings make all the difference in the racquet. Plus I customize my racquets to 12.6oz and 8 pts. head light. Great racquet with right strings(17gauge). Don't give up with the proper strings and tension you will Love the I-Prestige!!!
 
#27
Antonis- I have a few of the I-Prestige mid's. I string my frames with Klip Legend gut in the mains @44lbs. and Head (yellow) Lynx in the crosses @40lbs. Lower in the winter months. Remember one thing, strings make all the difference in the racquet. Plus I customize my racquets to 12.6oz and 8 pts. head light. Great racquet with right strings(17gauge). Don't give up with the proper strings and tension you will Love the I-Prestige!!!
Hi
Thanks for your input
I respect your love for the iPrestige, I know it's a great racquet, but definitely not my cup of tea.
I gave up on her without any remorse, I will not spend money on a racquet I know I'll never connect with. I know my game well enough to say if I like a racquet or not just after a couple of shots, and this one was a no from the first hit
I'm open to trade offers, by the way. Graphite classics and/or player's racquets.
 
#28
i’ be learned from somewhere that there’re two versions of i.prestiges—the early version is painted with soft coating while the later version is painted with hard coating, although both were made in Austria, and the soft coating ones play a little softer and a little better than the hard coating ones. Is it that true?
 
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