Head "Pro Stock" Racket For $149.99 Alert!!!

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Donmikan

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Donmikan said:
Guys, check this out: a 100sq inch, 260g, 34.5cm balance racket.
So a commercial frame from Head with no metal plates added to the handle. A customizers dream! The peoples pro stock! All for $149.99! There is also a Speed Elite on TWE

Head Extreme Elite 2024 Racket | Tennis Warehouse Europe

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Head Extreme Elite 2024 Racquet | Tennis Warehouse

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I have the old g360+ extreme lites I used as projects and ended up being great frames. I added silicone, lead at 3/9, 12, throat, 7" and it is a beast on Euro clay when I'm in SRB. Got the inspiration after I had a pro stock which was the lite model also with some mods.
 
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longtimelurker

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Donmikan said:
Guys, check this out: a 100sq inch, 260g, 34.5cm balance racket.
So a commercial frame from Head with no metal plates added to the handle. A customizers dream! The peoples pro stock! All for $149.99! There is also a Speed Elite on TWE

Head Extreme Elite 2024 Racket | Tennis Warehouse Europe

www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com

Head Extreme Elite 2024 Racquet | Tennis Warehouse

www.tennis-warehouse.com www.tennis-warehouse.com
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Whilst not 331 I can see the referance in that. A lot of hairpins at 250-260gr before pro mods. These specs can be for a great platform for sure!
 
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oldmanyellingatcloud

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dr325i said:
exactly and has nothing to do with the "Pro stock" idea...
being light and HH does not make it pro-stock-like...
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34.5 cm would put it around even balance if my math is correct. it usually isn't, so please correct me if I'm wrong

not sure when silicone is injected in the pro stock fabrication process, but adding silicone and tacking on a leather grip would be a start.

in any case even if it's a TK219 (MG Extreme) or TK285 (Youtek Extreme) or something else, didn't @Hankenstein try a different one of these racquets before and say the layup is very different from most "performance racquets"
 
Alexh22

Alexh22

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Are you kidding me? a speed elite ? The real Djokovic racquet !? Finally after more than a decade of misrepresentation it is upon us ! Not the mp not the pro but this ! Omg ! I am getting 20 of those.
 
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dr325i

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oldmanyellingatcloud said:
34.5 cm would put it around even balance if my math is correct. it usually isn't, so please correct me if I'm wrong

not sure when silicone is injected in the pro stock fabrication process, but adding silicone and tacking on a leather grip would be a start.

in any case even if it's a TK219 (MG Extreme) or TK285 (Youtek Extreme) or something else, didn't @Hankenstein try a different one of these racquets before and say the layup is very different from most "performance racquets"
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Exactly. The pro stock is not only about the weight and balance but the layup and mold.
This example could be a good platform racket to play with and customize. I expect that the layup would not be favorable for many
 
flyhome

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I asked a few months ago about It to an online shop, they said 64RA, but I don't beleive It, I think they simply answered talking about the new Extreme Line; I asked the same question to Head, but never get an answer. It looks exactly as the YT IG Extreme Pro 2.0 (in photo on an editor software), but the layup...Who knows
 
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Power Player

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dr325i said:
There is no such thing as "285.2 mold" but no, I do not believe this is a TK285 mold and definitely not the TGT285.2 layup
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This is interesting. I still will use my IG 2.0 Extreme Pro sometimes and always considered it a sleeper frame. What grabs me about this Elite frame is it appears to use the same lollipop head shape, and the weights are so incredibly low that it makes me wonder what the plan is with it. They called it Elite, which is marketing, but typically frames in this weight clss are called Light or Team..etc.

If you hear anything about the layup please let us know. If it was the same headshape as the other extremes, I would just write it off as a light/junior frame, but the fact that it is soooo light and they went back to the old head shape has grabbed my attention.
 
thenewbig3

thenewbig3

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Donmikan said:
Seems like no one pulled the trigger and bought a few. Curious to hear your expiriences and customization done.
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When doing something "amazing" like this - its TTW tradition - that the OP is the one supposed to - and write a big story on how successful it was :-D

Counter arguments
1. There are so many past year model available for less both on sale and NOS secondary markets
2. There are so many classics from the past available for way less in secondary markets
3. There are way too many good rackets in the last 20 years in secondary markets all for less to way less
4. Pro-stocks are overrated, its only their lack of availability that make the seem "special" in the first place.
5. Mold is the shape and design, doesn't automatically do anything special
6. Resale on Elites and other low end models just does not exist.
7. I bet a lot of $5 goodwill rackets play better than this one.

Ive made a lot of "pro-stocks" from free and cheap and goodwill sourced rackets : they were all fun experiments but knowing what I know now I wouldn't waste my time on anymore even though I can string them myself.
 
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Donmikan

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thenewbig3 said:
When doing something "amazing" like this - its TTW tradition - that the OP is the one supposed to - and write a big story on how successful it was :-D

Counter arguments
1. There are so many past year model available for less both on sale and NOS secondary markets
2. There are so many classics from the past available for way less in secondary markets
3. There are way too many good rackets in the last 20 years in secondary markets all for less to way less
4. Pro-stocks are overrated, its only their lack of availability that make the seem "special" in the first place.
5. Mold is the shape and design, doesn't automatically do anything special
6. Resale on Elites and other low end models just does not exist.
7. I bet a lot of $5 goodwill rackets play better than this one.

Ive made a lot of "pro-stocks" from free and cheap and goodwill sourced rackets : they were all fun experiments but knowing what I know now I wouldn't waste my time on anymore even though I can string them myself.
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What do you know about tradition being here allegedly only 6 months?

Points 1 to 3: not in this range, this racket is special because of its low weight for a 100sq inch
4: i agree, and thats why i started this thread. Thank you for proving the point further
5. Seems like you left out a word or two
6. If you are buying a racket which you should use for a long time with resell value in mind, you are having a wrong mindset IMO
7. Thats not the point, this is a platform racket which if customized correctly should be the best option available

What such profound knowledge did you acquire, and why dont you shine a bit of light down upon us peasants?
 
thenewbig3

thenewbig3

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Donmikan said:
What such profound knowledge did you acquire, and why dont you shine a bit of light down upon us peasants?
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....its a fruitless journey to get a mass market low end model and weight it up to premium racket specs and expect it to play in a sufficiently enjoyable manner that makes its worth the journey

Obviously it is something you will have to try yourself. It is unlikely someone is going to spend $150 and a lot of their time to find out if some project you dreamed up - will work or not.

Here are 2 projects that I really enjoyed
1. Various Wilson Envy 100, Bold, Six One Team 100 and other 16x20 Frames from that mold (267g unstrung, low 50s flex) - Easy to find, "Goat" Pattern - I had many of these, feel was great but eventually was just to flimsy to take or give out punishment.
2. Head Radical Jr 26.5" 102si 18x19 Model extended to 27" (Bumblebee Paint) - was so-so.

The other one I really wanted to try was APD Original Jr 26.5" 100 si Model extended to 27" (low flex compared to original)
 
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gino

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Power Player said:
This is interesting. I still will use my IG 2.0 Extreme Pro sometimes and always considered it a sleeper frame. What grabs me about this Elite frame is it appears to use the same lollipop head shape, and the weights are so incredibly low that it makes me wonder what the plan is with it. They called it Elite, which is marketing, but typically frames in this weight clss are called Light or Team..etc.

If you hear anything about the layup please let us know. If it was the same headshape as the other extremes, I would just write it off as a light/junior frame, but the fact that it is soooo light and they went back to the old head shape has grabbed my attention.
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well said dude, encapsulates the intrigue I think @Donmikan was trying to go after
 
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Donmikan

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thenewbig3 said:
....its a fruitless journey to get a mass market low end model and weight it up to premium racket specs and expect it to play in a sufficiently enjoyable manner that makes its worth the journey

Obviously it is something you will have to try yourself. It is unlikely someone is going to spend $150 and a lot of their time to find out if some project you dreamed up - will work or not.

Here are 2 projects that I really enjoyed
1. Various Wilson Envy 100, Bold, Six One Team 100 and other 16x20 Frames from that mold (267g unstrung, low 50s flex) - Easy to find, "Goat" Pattern - I had many of these, feel was great but eventually was just to flimsy to take or give out punishment.
2. Head Radical Jr 26.5" 102si 18x19 Model extended to 27" (Bumblebee Paint) - was so-so.

The other one I really wanted to try was APD Original Jr 26.5" 100 si Model extended to 27" (low flex compared to original)
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A 30 gram metal weight chucked in the handle oozes premium.

I tried this project with a different racket, Head Graphene Radical Rev. Its my main stick. I truly believe light sticks are superior if you know how to customize well.
 
thenewbig3

thenewbig3

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Donmikan said:
A 30 gram metal weight chucked in the handle oozes premium.

I tried this project with a different racket, Head Graphene Radical Rev. Its my main stick. I truly believe light sticks are superior if you know how to customize well.
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Apologies for ever doubting your idea and foresight. Carry On Sir! Cheers.
 
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maksp

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Donmikan said:
A 30 gram metal weight chucked in the handle oozes premium.

I tried this project with a different racket, Head Graphene Radical Rev. Its my main stick. I truly believe light sticks are superior if you know how to customize well.
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What's RA on the elite
 
dr325i

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I have updated the post #16 above after getting more information.
It is indeed the TK285 mold, same as IG Extreme mentioned above (same mold used by MB).
The layup, as expected is different (TGK285.13).
I am curious to hear if anyone got it to experiment?
 
Power Player

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dr325i said:
I have updated the post #16 above after getting more information.
It is indeed the TK285 mold, same as IG Extreme mentioned above (same mold used by MB).
The layup, as expected is different (TGK285.13).
I am curious to hear if anyone got it to experiment?
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Dude yes. Thank you for looking into this. I knew it was unique when I saw it.

Crazy specs- 60 ra! Do you know what layup it is? Also wonder if it has the old tk82 grip shape.
 
dr325i

dr325i

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Power Player said:
Dude yes. Thank you for looking into this. I knew it was unique when I saw it.

Crazy specs- 60 ra! Do you know what layup it is? Also wonder if it has the old tk82 grip shape.
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I'll get one in the next week or so and load it up with silicone and try it and then I can send it around to those interested.
It is still the low-end mass produced layup that is probably not going to feel as solid as the "pro", "mp" and "tour" frames and may need more work to make it attractive to 4.0+ but worth toying around.
Keep you all updated, or curious to hear from anyone that got it off TWE
 
thenewbig3

thenewbig3

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dr325i said:
I'll get one in the next week or so and load it up with silicone and try it and then I can send it around to those interested.
It is still the low-end mass produced layup that is probably not going to feel as solid as the "pro", "mp" and "tour" frames and may need more work to make it attractive to 4.0+ but worth toying around.
Keep you all updated, or curious to hear from anyone that got it off TWE
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@Donmikan I guess you are owed an Apology from me for doubting your foresight - since you even got THE dr325i attracted into trying it - Apologies! :)
 
dr325i

dr325i

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Donmikan said:
Thanks, i hope a lot more people get curious and start their own customizing project. Never a bad thing to do!
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This will be an interesting project although the layup will not be something to get around. There is a reason why this frame is cheap and considered lower end. Nevertheless, could be interesting. In the end, who knows, it may turn out to be the layup some of us love!
 
Power Player

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Yeah, I will be interested in how it compares to the layup in my IG extreme pro. It's not a layup I'm in love with by any means, but I always have played well with it, so I can't complain too much.
 
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oldmanyellingatcloud

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the description suggests there's Auxetic 2 inside so if they're really putting the latest technology in lesser layups, I don't understand the strategy?

the older Youtek IG Extreme also evidently came with "S-Tech grommets" as opposed to "Spin Grommets" with this iteration. this may also contribute to a difference in feel, in addition to the layup. it's good to see Extremists getting some love
 
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eucebio

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Just ordered couple of them from TWE.

Planning to load them up with silicone and lead, unstrung specs -> 320g / 32cm / 310sw

We’ll see how it plays!

Loved the Extreme Pro (Auxetic 1 / 2022) 315g version beefed up to these specs so curious to compare these ”E-lite” ones with the excact same specs…

Also seems to have all the same tech (MP/ PRO) auxetic, graphene etc. Fingers crossed it’s amazingly cheap (high-quality) platform racket with that sweet ~60RA
 
Power Player

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eucebio said:
Just ordered couple of them from TWE.

Planning to load them up with silicone and lead, unstrung specs -> 320g / 32cm / 310sw

We’ll see how it plays!

Loved the Extreme Pro (Auxetic 1 / 2022) 315g version beefed up to these specs so curious to compare these ”E-lite” ones with the excact same specs…

Also seems to have all the same tech (MP/ PRO) auxetic, graphene etc. Fingers crossed it’s amazingly cheap (high-quality) platform racket with that sweet ~60RA
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You are doing god's work. Thank you.

Similar specs to what I'd do. I'd copy my IG Extreme Pro which is 315 and 300 SW, 315 balance. Will be interested in seeing how much lead and silicone you end up needing.
 
edelp

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What an interesting thread. Thanks for that.
I might get one from TWE and adapt it as well. Rather sure that the Graphene XT Extreme Lite back then was similar or at least same TK285 mould. TWU values seem to indicate that seeing the low RA value. But the new design and so forth of the 2024... I quite like it and always liked the tk285 mould. As I am switching from control oriented racquets to "easier" or better said more power oriented frames with bigger sweetspot, this one is especially interesting due to the, hopefully, nice comfort. Coming from 57a or pt313 or prokennex type of racquets (with multi) many new power frames are now more comfortable than years ago but still not that low RA or vibration. And my arm notices it despite not really suffering.

Guess I will just do it and put it at 300gr, leather grip, silicone, 295SW, PD100, or EZ100 like
 
flyhome

flyhome

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Thanx to the ones will try the experiment, @808 was the first one to talk about It late during July if I'm not wrong, but this is the first time someone is going deep into it
 
808

808

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Yeah, last June I got word that Head was planning on releasing a new TK285 mold Extreme and got all excited, when it turned out to be a low end model I lost interest and didn't explore this any further.

TP also did an exclusive re-release of the Graphene XT Extreme, both MPA and Lite. These have been available for a few months now.
 
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eucebio

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Power Player said:
You are doing god's work. Thank you.

Similar specs to what I'd do. I'd copy my IG Extreme Pro which is 315 and 300 SW, 315 balance. Will be interested in seeing how much lead and silicone you end up needing.
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Haha, thanks!

We’ll see how it goes. There is a (Yonex) digital swingweight machine located in my near pro shop so will be interesting to tune them out.

I think it takes approx. max 40g silicone for the handle (both chambers full). Then planning to lead the hoop for desired SW . And then I will adjust the balance right with tungsten under butt cap. And just junk all the weight (lead) remained for target specs in top of the handle, under the grip.

This might be a small step for man, giant leap for mankind…
 
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Ross K

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Watching this with real curiosity as I have been doing this kind of racketaholic experimenting for years. My experience and learning with this includes - 1. You 100 per cent have to know exactly what you're doing re modding, specs, etc. 2. Frequently the innate lack of solidness and perceived less quality feel is an abiding issue... However... 3. Such experimenting can produce the desired outcome, for some at least. Plus 4. Such projects and platform experiments is absolutely just the way some of us have to proceed!
 
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maksp

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With such a light racket, the layer of graphite must be less cause the steel in the handles I've removed are only around 20 grams .
 
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Ross K

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thenewbig3 said:
....its a fruitless journey to get a mass market low end model and weight it up to premium racket specs and expect it to play in a sufficiently enjoyable manner that makes its worth the journey

Obviously it is something you will have to try yourself. It is unlikely someone is going to spend $150 and a lot of their time to find out if some project you dreamed up - will work or not.

Here are 2 projects that I really enjoyed
1. Various Wilson Envy 100, Bold, Six One Team 100 and other 16x20 Frames from that mold (267g unstrung, low 50s flex) - Easy to find, "Goat" Pattern - I had many of these, feel was great but eventually was just to flimsy to take or give out punishment.
2. Head Radical Jr 26.5" 102si 18x19 Model extended to 27" (Bumblebee Paint) - was so-so.

The other one I really wanted to try was APD Original Jr 26.5" 100 si Model extended to 27" (low flex compared to original)
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Sounds very much like the kind of thing I've been getting into over the years... FWIW, my APDO Jnr frame extended project was perhaps my most successful or enjoyable. Amazing to hit the OG Rafa stick with what feels like 60 RA!
 
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eucebio

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That would sum it up. Basically made of less-expensive materials, that would explain the cheaper price.

Anyways It could STILL work! :D

Worst case scenario, (spec’d up) it’s heavy comfort noodle without the benefits of heavyness and layup…

Best case scenario, it’s comfortable platform tweener racket with sweet starting specs and with lead and silicone the solidness is there…

Imagine Head would release new pro stock version of this (TGT285.13), that would be cool!
 
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