I'm going to fill it up with foam like I did on my other 275gram blade racket . Foam added only 20 grams so I still needed silicone n lead but less of itThat would sum it up. Basically made of less-expensive materials, that would explain the cheaper price.
Anyways It could STILL work!
Worst case scenario, (spec’d up) it’s heavy comfort noodle without the benefits of heavyness and layup…
Best case scenario, it’s comfortable platform tweener racket with sweet starting specs and with lead and silicone the solidness is there…
Imagine Head would release new pro stock version of this (TGT285.13), that would be cool!
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Does that actually dampen the feel?
Yes .. depends on racket. On my aero just a little . On my blade and ezone little more
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Its interesting because a lot of classic frames with great feel used fiberglass layups.
gino
Legend
awesome you are the one to test this out. most informed opinion to assess if there's something here/accessibility for people that cant afford a pro stock
edelp
Semi-Pro
Great. I am in Europe and mine will arrive Thursday…need to get “a lot of” silicone
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
All ready to go. Feels nice bouncing the ball around the house.
Strung specs:
Static Weight: 334g (VS Babolat 1.30 @ 56 (15%) / Solinco TB Soft 1.30 @ 51 (5%)
Balance: 31.4cm
SW: 330 kg*cm2
Will hit with it today
flyhome
Semi-Pro
Which was the stock SW, if you measered it
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
I measured 281
flyhome
Semi-Pro
Thanx
That's good for such a light racket? Most 300 gram rackets have 280's... so this means the weight was removed from handle area and lower throat? So no steal lugs glued or on hairpin?
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Not sure if they are in there. But after hitting today, I really like the frame. I can ship it to the next person on Friday or Monday.
gino
Legend
Any comparisons in feel or mold? Curious what you think it slots close to in heads history
You can put a magnet over the handle
dgoran
Hall of Fame
Did something similar few years ago with older extreme mold when it was sold as challenger elite and it was surprisingly good with all that fiberglass inside.
Forgot the mold code and too lazy to look it up but it was the same as mg extreme mold. I actually liked it better than real mg extreme mp which was pretty good to begin with.
Forgot the mold code and too lazy to look it up but it was the same as mg extreme mold. I actually liked it better than real mg extreme mp which was pretty good to begin with.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
I never hit with the IG Extreme frames so not sure if it is just a lighter version of one of those. Feels like good sweet spot, plush and lower launch angle than the GT98. Has power...but not sure what 900 CPI means...
gino
Legend
I’ll record some footage and put my thoughts in video. Thanks for acquiring, customizing, and sending around man
edelp
Semi-Pro
Mine is now beautifully at exactly 300gr and 31.7cm BP, 285SW. will be strung today and tested Saturday against plenty of "tweener" like frames...
Mine came in 265gr and 34,5gr, I added calfskin (+10gr) and 24gr of silicone and 1.5gr of lead tape below the bumper. Very nice looking frame in my eyes. If i like it a lot (I did so with some older IG Extreme retail and prostock but most were "firm", this one should be more comfortable, or at least have a lower RA value.) i will get a second.
Mine came in 265gr and 34,5gr, I added calfskin (+10gr) and 24gr of silicone and 1.5gr of lead tape below the bumper. Very nice looking frame in my eyes. If i like it a lot (I did so with some older IG Extreme retail and prostock but most were "firm", this one should be more comfortable, or at least have a lower RA value.) i will get a second.
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What was the unstrung swingweight?
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Already discussed above
Thats your copy, i asked the other guy to get a second data point.
edelp
Semi-Pro
guess I might be the other guy... jeje. i did not measure, just with silicone and calfkskin. seeing I added "only" 1.5gr at 12 and approx 35gr along the handle and now i have SW292 I think it could have been 279. 6/7 handle weight (estimations on like 1Sw pt per 5gr) and rest lead tape...
All set here.
Went little bit crazy with the silicone, managed to add 45g per frame and 12g lead all the way under grommets.
Unstrung specs, 320g, 31.7cm, 320sw.
Let’s see how these babies rock! Both frames were unstrung 265g and 34,5cm from the scratch, seem’s to have pretty good quality control.
Went little bit crazy with the silicone, managed to add 45g per frame and 12g lead all the way under grommets.
Unstrung specs, 320g, 31.7cm, 320sw.
Let’s see how these babies rock! Both frames were unstrung 265g and 34,5cm from the scratch, seem’s to have pretty good quality control.
edelp
Semi-Pro
wow, eucebio, 320SW unstrung is quite something. This must be a bomb.
Funny that my frame, and your pair, were all at 265gr and 34.5cm BP.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
I cannot even imagine it at 320SW unstrung.
Mine is 295SW unstrung and is very powerful. The CPI is 900 on it!
Yeah seems to have legit QC? I guess they marked wrong static weight 260g, should have been 265g!
Yeah, I think that 320SW should be enough!
Have to say the Extreme - lineup takes lead very well and still have RHS.How fid they manage 900 cpi with 61RA and 260grams?
edelp
Semi-Pro
good one, i think possibly by keeping (or close to) the SW of the 300gr versions and just removing weight in the handle. So, the mass in the head is still there. I will test it tomorrow, on clay that I play rarely on now, with the specs mentioned above. Having a tweener with low RA is nice. Will report back.
On a side note, I love the PJ.
thenewbig3
Hall of Fame
Sometimes its just a standin number to replace "Ease Of Use" - the Light weight probably makes it much easier to use for petite beginners who it is defined for.... Just imagine a honest CPI and it ends up having a lower CPI than the MP or possibly the Pro
Power Player
Bionic Poster
This is great. Have you used the ig extreme pro? I’d love to get a comparison there to one of my all time favorites. Damn this is really exciting for me since the only thing close with the old apd string pattern are my origins.
Super tempted to grab one of these at some point and match it to my IG.
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First hit today!
Feel is plushed and muted, which is kind of expected when handle filled with silicone.
Stringbed is nice and controlled, tight string pattern. Serve’s amazing and volleys very solid.
I think customized MP has more power, guessing IG Extreme Pro too with stiffer layup.
Anyways, feels pretty good for RA60 tweener! Also the lollipop hoop seem’s to swing fast even with 320sw…
Feel is plushed and muted, which is kind of expected when handle filled with silicone.
Stringbed is nice and controlled, tight string pattern. Serve’s amazing and volleys very solid.
I think customized MP has more power, guessing IG Extreme Pro too with stiffer layup.
Anyways, feels pretty good for RA60 tweener! Also the lollipop hoop seem’s to swing fast even with 320sw…
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Yeah thats my only hesitation - having to fill the entire handle with silicone just to get it to the same weight could kill all the ball feel for me. Also 60 flex could just be too soft..or maybe not. I like the high powered tweener frames that Babolat used to make. But 60 flex could be nice on the arm...
I am going to hit with my IG tomorrow. I just strung it up with Lynx Tour mains at a low tension. I have no mods on mine, just play it stock. But enjoy the specs so much that I modded a 2010 APD to the same spec with a leather grip and some lead, and it plays incredibly well.
I will say the IG feel is fine, but it's not awe inspiring or anything. The frame just plays so well that I look past it. It is not as crisp as the 2010 and 2013 APDs, but it does have a nice sweetspot and its own vibe going on. I think the special sauce of the frame is the hoop shape. It's rather unique but it works really, really well.
Have you tried both IG Extreme Pro 1.0 (74RA) and Extreme Pro 2.0 (69RA)?
Any noticeable differences besides the flex? I assume IG 2.0 feels little bit softer…
If I recall right Berrettini uses the stiffer layup (74RA)….
FootFault18
Rookie
I almost died laughing
FootFault18
Rookie
I think all frames will feel good with gut in mains... Best string ever made.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
I think Berrettini used the 2.0 but someone else may know for sure. I hit with mine today with fresh strings and I just wasn't into it. That's always been my problem with this racquet, I play well with it, but it doesn't always inspire me for whatever reason. Now and then everything clicks and I love it, but I think when it comes to power tweeners I consistently prefer the old school APD and PD. Something about the woofer grommets and how big the sweetspot feels just does it for me. The Extreme does not pocket the ball much at all, even at low tensions and I think that's what I don't like about it.
FootFault18
Rookie
I have the 2.0 and it have a more closed string pattern than the one Berrettin used. The string pattern looks more like the original IG Extreme.
Anyway, @dr325i cofirmed some years ago that it is the racquet that he is using (at least the mold)
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
No, I confirmed THE racket: TGT285.2
edelp
Semi-Pro
First test yesterday night. 2.5h on clay. I am very much let me say surprised. Had big hopes and these were more than met. Excellent frame for me. Feeling is very nice. Soft though direct, easy spin and powerful but controlled (and I play multi). Very maneuverable. Hit it side by side with an EZ100 2025 and I very much prefer the Extreme Elite. Will focus on that one in my current test against the super nice feeling control frames I was used to.
Thanks again for drawing the attention to this hidden, non 240€, frame. Ok, it has to be customized but it took me 40min with the lead, silicone and leather grip. Grommets are available, if the yellow not so easy to find, you could use older TK285a in transparent or black.
I cannot spot this "lower quality thus lower price positioning" thing. Just happy about seeing again this mould that I have always liked, in a very nice PJ, customizable and low RA spin/power frame at a price of 108€ if you buy more than one.
Thanks again for drawing the attention to this hidden, non 240€, frame. Ok, it has to be customized but it took me 40min with the lead, silicone and leather grip. Grommets are available, if the yellow not so easy to find, you could use older TK285a in transparent or black.
I cannot spot this "lower quality thus lower price positioning" thing. Just happy about seeing again this mould that I have always liked, in a very nice PJ, customizable and low RA spin/power frame at a price of 108€ if you buy more than one.
edelp
Semi-Pro
Nice @eucebio ... Thanks and good to read you again 
. I remember the IG Extreme Pro 2.0 as fantastic frame. Mega stable, stiffer but not harsh. Powerfull. It was though too much of a frame for me at 315gr and 295SW. It will be more stable than the 285.13 here but in my case 15gr less, so rather normal. You tell us how it goes as yours is even higher in weight than the 2.0. I will measure the SW on my Elite but for sure lower than on the 2.0
. I remember the IG Extreme Pro 2.0 as fantastic frame. Mega stable, stiffer but not harsh. Powerfull. It was though too much of a frame for me at 315gr and 295SW. It will be more stable than the 285.13 here but in my case 15gr less, so rather normal. You tell us how it goes as yours is even higher in weight than the 2.0. I will measure the SW on my Elite but for sure lower than on the 2.0Thank you @edelp for review, good to know! I’m planning on leading the IG Extreme Pro (2.0) for same specs (as my Elite) and we’ll go from there. I will tell after that how does they compare.
Anyways, we’ll have to just enjoy this mold with fresh PJ. At least with these specs, there is no problems with stable, solid, power etc. Plenty of everything!
I’m guessing but the lower RA on this layup might just tame the power also little bit for more controlled response by pocketing the ball little bit longer on the string and have more dwell time. Of course that is also a matter of opinion and depending what player wants…
I’m planning on leading the IG Extreme Pro (2.0) for same specs (as my Elite) and we’ll go from there. I will tell after that how does they compare.Anyways, we’ll have to just enjoy this mold with fresh PJ. At least with these specs, there is no problems with stable, solid, power etc. Plenty of everything!
I’m guessing but the lower RA on this layup might just tame the power also little bit for more controlled response by pocketing the ball little bit longer on the string and have more dwell time. Of course that is also a matter of opinion and depending what player wants…
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
I agree with the surprises part - definitely a nice frame BUT must be customized. And yes, very easy to customize since the hoop mass and SW is there.
However, it does have obvious lower cost layup hints to it, especially if you hit with it before customization. A large amount of silicone/lead in the handle masks some of the hollowness/glass feel, however, it is there and I can even tell with any off center shots with the customized version.
Still, ended up a very nice feeling and hitting frame. Easy power but not PA or PD like, decent control with a fairly closed pattern, ok stability, and a great plush feel on impact. A bit muted with Auxetic 2.0 but still not overly so.
Mine is heading Gino’s way tomorrow
Yeah, thank you @dr325i for your insight!
I didn’t hit with stock specs at all and mine is pretty heavily modified so I guess it kind of camouflage the layup quality even more.
I can still feel the same (cheaper) signs little bit with this layup comparing to MP. But definately the hitting experience is still quite good and has very good power/control ratio for a easy-to-use tweener.
I think the string pattern is tighter than MP’s, more like APD (OG) and also sweetspot is huge due to the lollipop hoop size so it’s special combo.
If Head would re-release this hoop as Pro and named it as Tour for example. Would be perfect with the Auxetic 2.
I’m sticking with the lollipop hoop Extreme, just have to test the IG version first and if that layup is more for me, I’ll keep on rocking with the IG…
If anyone has TGT285.2 or know someone who would be owning and selling one, I would be very interested…
I didn’t hit with stock specs at all and mine is pretty heavily modified so I guess it kind of camouflage the layup quality even more.
I can still feel the same (cheaper) signs little bit with this layup comparing to MP. But definately the hitting experience is still quite good and has very good power/control ratio for a easy-to-use tweener.
I think the string pattern is tighter than MP’s, more like APD (OG) and also sweetspot is huge due to the lollipop hoop size so it’s special combo.
If Head would re-release this hoop as Pro and named it as Tour for example. Would be perfect with the Auxetic 2.
I’m sticking with the lollipop hoop Extreme, just have to test the IG version first and if that layup is more for me, I’ll keep on rocking with the IG…
If anyone has TGT285.2 or know someone who would be owning and selling one, I would be very interested…
edelp
Semi-Pro
I agree. Nothing to add frankly to that part.
just coming back from another 2h session, and confirmed, I like it and will not be redundant with what i said in other posts. But the TK285 mould is again more present, and in addition to order more of the Elite and customize again, I might look for a IG Extreme Pro 2.0 or a prostock tgt285 to compare directly this more lower cost layup. I remember the 2.0 Extreme Pro to be much more "solid"... but I am enjoying the Elite. Head, nice job in bringing the tk285 out again in whatever "positioning", fine with me. I am with many other tests of different tweener like frames but somehow i come back to the Kennelbach guys jaja. Must be linked to my childhood when I started with the Agassi Head Radical tour 690 ...
