Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Meriko, Jan 15, 2014.
Is the pc600 the only racquet tw put up so far?Or the cheaper one has already been snatch away?
Nice. I have a few pro stock Heads, all of them flexier 18/20s. No idea what the flex numbers actually are, except that they're delicious.
Or even better, find a Pro stock version of the PC600 that weighs 318g unstrung and turn it into a real stick you want...
Those specs are comparable to what I'm using now and the seller of my frames took quite some time selling them because of the specs. Sure, you could remove the lead tape but a lot of people don't want to take off the CAPS to do that.
That price is probably around the going rate for a new PT57A and you have a name associated with it though it wasn't used by the player. A frame used by the player has some collectable value associated with it. I'd personally prefer matched frames than one where I wouldn't be able to get another if I planned to play with it. A single frame like this would be fine for playing around with but I'd more likely get a used frame for fewer bucks as I wouldn't care about the condition.
OK so the PC600 for Philippoussis is up. Any takers at 500usd? I think it is a reasonable price for racket collectors or his fans?
ah nvm I saw someone bought it already.
Yeah I was just looking at it before, then refreshed the page and now it's gone. Oh well, that was pretty quick though. Less then a day to be sold and TW just made 500 big ones
That's the way it's going to be, which is why I think TW should take orders for it either by phone or by email, rather than put it up online. The minute they get posted to the website, some rich person on the TT forums is going to buy all 5 or 10 frames at once and then re-sell them later on, which isn't fair to everyone else.
Buying pro stocks from unauthorized dealers is a basically taking a shot in the dark. There are some honest merchants out there, but the bad apples spoil the entire basket. You won't see them on the FS:T section anyways; because pro stock ads aren't allowed.
Yup, I've seen both.
I stick with the high-volume sellers or those that have people vouch for them.
Regarding "rich" people buying them and then reselling them at higher prices - they incur the risk where it may take a long time to sell them or they may have to sell them at a discount if they need the cash. Being a seller isn't necessarily a piece of cake. You do have to answer questions, package it up, potentially take a loss of 50% of revenue if the shipping company loses the item, potentially deal with returns and perhaps deal with a lot of lookieloo questions.
couple of more PC600 up at 400 each, customized for unkown pros. These prices are about right. I don't think 400 is cheap. If you buy this, it is just same as buying any new PC600. I don't think TW is selling them cheap so price flippers can't make much money, just my opinion.
How many "authorized" pro stock dealer do you know?
Most pro stock frames come from sources like players, players' contacts, stringers, friends, etc.
The specs look the same as the one just sold used by scud
So far, they've all been retail frames customized for pros- NOT "pro stocks," at least by the commonly accepted definition. We can buy a PC600 or PT630, etc, and pay **** or Bosworth, to match these specs or do it ourselves. Pro stocks to me are PJ'd frames or those unavailable to the general public. They aren't just frames owned by an ATP player.
Still, these are cool. I do admit that I was hoping for engineering coded frames rather than actual PC600s.
Finally, it seems to be a trickle- down pricing scheme - 599, 499, and so on.
I keep checking (like all of you) for new frames. At this rate, it'll be December by the time they get through their inventory!
I do think this is really cool and I hope TW continues to do this!
this is nuts.....
Same as the "Flipper" frame, I believe.
ask tw for a cert of authenticity. doubt you'd get one. not implying anything BTW, just saying....
As a collector, I'd prefer something that was used by the person that it was intended for over something brand-new that was never used.
I agree! I'm very grateful for the PC600 that I have!
what does a brand new PC600 or PT600 usually go for?
A lot. Depending on what the buyer is willing to spend. It can go for well over the retail price of new rackets.
My thrift store quest continues, I have never swung a PC600 Huge gap in my tennis racquet resume....
$399 for a PC600 tho, not for me, no collector here.
200-250 or so for DIA
300-400 MAX for MIA
There are used ones easily obtained for 120-180.
The prices I am quoting are not fair string forum quotes, but inflated bay prices.
They are NOT rare. What TW is selling here is the connection to Warren Bosworth, who trained Nate Ferguson, who owns Priority One.
The frames are gone in ten seconds. Is the same person buying them???
I can't send you a private message, so I'll ask you here:
Between iPrestige, iRadical and Youtek Prestige, what racquet do you like the most, and what racquet takes the second place?
I play with Youtek PP, and I like it, but it's not that soft."l
What racquets have gone up for sale?
Some 280s, flipper's racket and a pc600
Are all the 280s gone? I'd like a 280 and/or a 630. I'd be very sad if the 280/630s are all gone. I wish TW would limit hoarding and put up hurdles to the resellers so regular customers will have a chance to buy limited production rackets.
Have some 280/630s already been sold then?What did they go for?
I'm sure I remember some years back that a pro had bought a few pc 600s from TW, anybody else remember that?
I did have a lot of pro stocks, but right now i have zeroooo....
The pro stock rackets world is very expensive....
Just curious since I missed the sale.
How much did TW ask for the PT 280's.
I assume about $400 like the Prestiges they are selling.
Did they offer multiple grip sizes?
I imagine they just had a few available since it is old Bosworth stock.
Gone in a day as usual?
Anyone recall? Thanks.
I prestige mp but the problem is I need two matched frames at least. My 3 iPrestige are all over the place which is why I ordered matched YT Prestige MP from TW. They play and feel identical. Subsequently I was able to find a perfect match for both my Austrian L5 iRadical and my Chinese L4 I Radical. Presently I have those 4 frames in my bag. The L5 are strung Head intellitour 17 at 57 and the L4 are MSV focus hex 110 at 40 lb which will be my go to setup looking forward on all 18x20 head racquets.
If you can find a matched set of iPrestige MP that is pure magic...
Now that I have the 2 matched pair of iRads everything else is sidelined for now.
Hope that helps. BTW I have one Head Prostock frame only it is nearly 14 oz I can hit the snot out of it for about 20 minutes only...
Head Prostock discussion poach off. Carry on.
One more quick thread poach in response to query directed at me:
Assume you are aware that iPrestige MP is a retail PT57E?
At about 12 oz strung with a leather grip ( mandatory mod IMO ) it is essentially equiv to a Prostock frame. Better actually, just add the leather is all most folks need! Unfortunately as more become knowledgeable about how good the iPrestige MP is the prices are going through the roof!
They were $220 and they only had 2.
too bad the paint on the iprestige was really poor. i loved that frame.
Actually I have 2 glossy paint and 1 sticky paint.
The sticky paint is nasty but kinda cool in a worn out 200G sort of way. The glossy paint pair are perfect!
My 2 Austrian iRadical MP have sticky paint too. I like the beat up look!!
what's a DIA or a MIA?
Designed in Austria, made in Austria
All DIA PT30 and PC600 are still manufactured in Austria..........................
"Bosworth-Head Pro Tour 280 (1/2) - Customized These Head Pro Tour 280s were customized by Warren Bosworth for one of his pro tour clients. They are in excellent condition. This classic player's racquet has amazing feel and plow through while also managing to remain quite maneuverable. Price: $220.00"
$220 seems a little cheap compared to the other prices. $500 for a Mark P and 400 for a NOS Prestige.
Maybe because they were used?
I have so many already. I would have been tempted but I doubt I would have bought one.
Is an off the shelf retail Head (which these apparently were) with lead tape really a "pro stock" the way most people use the term? I cannot fathom spending $400-500 for a used PC 600 when you can find these < $90 in good shape in the secondary market
To me pro stock frames are either lighter hairpins of retail frames, variations to retail like custom drill patterns but still with lighter hairpin or completely custom frames like Feds prototype. One can argue an off the shelf retail racquet modified for a pro is pro stock, but its nothing you couldn't do at home really
off the shelf.......means no pro stock.
normally i like to define it as anything you cant buy retail. theres varying degrees of course
With these frames you're paying the extra for the custom work on them. Not for them being pro stock.
1. how much would you pay for a new (NOS) off the shell radical tour 260 anyway. the one they had yesterday they claimed that it had not been used.
2, that radical tour 260 had string pattern listed as 16x19 inside the throat. that can't be an off the shelf frame, can it?!
Answer for question 2 is that is a missprint. Quite a few Pro Tour 280, Radical Tour 260, and Prestige Classic that I have seen have that misprint. That frame sold yesterday is 18x20.
I don't suppose the $200 ish was a bad price but i've seen a couple with that misprint in the past.
Yes the frame was 18x20. Were the frames you saw with the misprint
actual retail versions?
Those 1990's rackets (Pro Tour, Prestige, etc) are the coded "pro stock" models now. What were production rackets back then are specially made for pros now because they are out of production.
If a racket was made for or owned/used by an ATP touring pro and/or customized by someone like Bosworth/Ferguson(P1)/**** etc then it becomes something of a collectible as well as a great racket. Simple supply and demand as there are not that many of them floating around so the price goes up considerably versus rackets that don't share the same sort of provenance. Whether the price is justified or not is, like beauty, in the eye of the beholder. Look at what Honus Wagner's baseball card is worth.
I have quite a few pro stock frames. They are pretty fun to hit with. Too bad I can't buy their game along with their rackets.
All were retail frames just like the Radical Tour 260 is.
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