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LGLeconte...I agree totally. I‘m turning 60, and play mostly with a seriously old PT280 with a 630 backup (MIAs). For some reason the 280 gives me a little more pinpoint accuracy than the 630, especially on serves (maybe a touch stiffer). I customized them to match at 360g, 335SW, 32bal. I sometimes use my old PS85 SVs when all the stars align with my footwork, timing, vision, etc. (P85s are sniper rifles if the conditions are right). Also still have and use real (old) POGs as well. When I’ve lent any of these to a 4.5/4.0 30-something or millennial, they hit hilariously late and short, or shank frame trying to Rafa it, or dump it into the bottom of the net. Usually they stare at the racket and ask, “how can you hit with this, this, this, THING?” I have yet to find anyone under 50 who will give a classic player racket a serious tryout over a few weeks or months. I bought a few nextgen rackets on various whims, and I play with them on occasion, but only when I’m feeling ridiculously lazy or hungover, and want to pretend I can still generate serious RHS (which I can’t really do any more for longer than a set, without taking massive anti-inflammatories). I can still swing long OR fast, just not long and fast. If I have to pick between the two, swinging long strokes (with heavier racket) but slower RHS is easier on my bod. So I think heavy, low RA rackets are perfect for us old geezers, provided we have a lifetime of tennis in our bones. I will probably buy at least one of these PT2.0s (without a demo) if the TW and you TTW gurus say they have ANY kind of a retro feel. I’ve demo’d most of the latest 18x20 offerings also, but I haven’t fallen in love with any one enough to buy. When my 280 cracks, or my body can no longer wield a 360g warclub, I’ll ask for advice and spend another 3 months doing demos.
I agree totally .
Some young players don't understand that these are our racquets.
I also use besides the pt630, ps85, max200g, pt600, rt630, f200carbon, pk ba98, pro cynetic1 and many other classics especially head.
I am not able to play with the current ones: they do not give me precision or feel.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
LGLeconte...I agree totally. I‘m turning 60, and play mostly with a seriously old PT280 with a 630 backup (MIAs). For some reason the 280 gives me a little more pinpoint accuracy than the 630, especially on serves (maybe a touch stiffer). I customized them to match at 360g, 335SW, 32bal. I sometimes use my old PS85 SVs when all the stars align with my footwork, timing, vision, etc. (P85s are sniper rifles if the conditions are right). Also still have and use real (old) POGs as well. When I’ve lent any of these to a 4.5/4.0 30-something or millennial, they hit hilariously late and short, or shank frame trying to Rafa it, or dump it into the bottom of the net. Usually they stare at the racket and ask, “how can you hit with this, this, this, THING?” I have yet to find anyone under 50 who will give a classic player racket a serious tryout over a few weeks or months. I bought a few nextgen rackets on various whims, and I play with them on occasion, but only when I’m feeling ridiculously lazy or hungover, and want to pretend I can still generate serious RHS (which I can’t really do any more for longer than a set, without taking massive anti-inflammatories). I can still swing long OR fast, just not long and fast. If I have to pick between the two, swinging long strokes (with heavier racket) but slower RHS is easier on my bod. So I think heavy, low RA rackets are perfect for us old geezers, provided we have a lifetime of tennis in our bones. I will probably buy at least one of these PT2.0s (without a demo) if the TW and you TTW gurus say they have ANY kind of a retro feel. I’ve demo’d most of the latest 18x20 offerings also, but I haven’t fallen in love with any one enough to buy. When my 280 cracks, or my body can no longer wield a 360g warclub, I’ll ask for advice and spend another 3 months doing demos.
Great post.

I played a session with a guy (he's 50 something) who collects wooden racquets and plays woodie tournaments across Europe. He could not believe it's my first time hitting/playing a set with wooden frame. I told him I developed my game using classic graphite midsizes (Fischer Vacuum Mid, PS85, PS90...I'm in mid 30s, started to play in my mid 20s) so even though I usually hit more "modern" with sticks I play right now, I don't find it particularly hard to switch to longer, smoother strokes. Made sense to him but he said it's still unusual since most younger guys he knows can't do that. That surprised me a bit but after reading your post, I guess it's not that uncommon after all.
 

Grinch

New User
I agree totally .
Some young players don't understand that these are our racquets.
I also use besides the pt630, ps85, max200g, pt600, rt630, f200carbon, pk ba98, pro cynetic1 and many other classics especially head.
I am not able to play with the current ones: they do not give me precision or feel.
Awesome collection. I forgot ... I have Mac/Steffi’s 200G a cracked 600 but neither is playable. Also have some wood rackets that one brave friend of mine like to warm up with when we are feeling overly nostalgic. I’ve been reading the new Prestige threads and am afraid I might be tempted down that rabbit hole soon. I hope I can muster the intestinal fortitude to resist.
 

Grinch

New User
Great post.

I played a session with a guy (he's 50 something) who collects wooden racquets and plays woodie tournaments across Europe. He could not believe it's my first time hitting/playing a set with wooden frame. I told him I developed my game using classic graphite midsizes (Fischer Vacuum Mid, PS85, PS90...I'm in mid 30s, started to play in my mid 20s) so even though I usually hit more "modern" with sticks I play right now, I don't find it particularly hard to switch to longer, smoother strokes. Made sense to him but he said it's still unusual since most younger guys he knows can't do that. That surprised me a bit but after reading your post, I guess it's not that uncommon after all.
Joohan, you are my new 30-something hero. You were willing to try a woody and it sounds like you appreciated having to adapt strokes rather than just giving up on anything but windshield wipers. I’ve played a lot of league and pickup singles with 30 and 40-somethings and I wish I could find one who enjoys switching styles (and even rackets) around just for the love of the game. I see nothing but totally predictable baseline bashers, who — don’t get me wrong — I still truly enjoy playing and sometimes beating. But it can get boring. I love playing a topspin baseline first set against a young gun with my VC98, then watch the look on his face when I start the second set with my 280/630 and change to flat drives, slices, and some s&v. I know I can’t play long topspin points for three sets against 30s anymore. But its funny when I win a set or two playing short “sniper” points with the PT or PS and the opponent thinks I was cheating by not rallying. I’ve had some young guys actually thank me for not playing old man lob tennis against them. They’d rather get beat by a serve and volley slicer than a old lobber. In most cases, I really don’t care who wins unless the opponent is just a jerk about things.
But contrast the 30/40 somethings with the 50-60s crowd. The 50/60s seem to either buy Babs to try to recapture their youth, but then look silly trying to imitate Rafa and usually hurt themselves .... or they buy Weeds or maybe Clash and regress to eternal lob/dropshot tennis. That’s why I still try to play guys 20 years younger, if they let me.
So WOOD! Europe won’t let me in now, but I want to go just to find a woody tournament!!!! I played in some woody tournaments many years ago but haven’t seen one here in Florida in a very long time. My favorite wood racket in those tournaments was Borg’s Donnay Allwood Superlight. MADE IN BELGIUM! SMOOTH. There was one tournament that even used classic white balls and required (mostly) white clothing and shoes. Yeah, a little extreme. Cheers!
 
Will it be a sub 60 RA? If it’s a 60+RA it wouldn’t be a reissue but a totally different racquet.

The only reason I got sucked into the world of PT57A madness was due to arm injuries. The switch worked so I was hooked. I couldn’t even use a DR98 because despite the “low” 63 RA the lateral stiffness felt off the charts. My tendinitis came raging back.

However my search for old pro tours ended when Prince introduced their phantom racquets. Now I’m (fortunately) not wasting hours scouring the web for overpriced 20+year old racquets or pro stocks that I can’t demo... ANNNNND the string patterns are more open... ANNNND now they’ve put Twaron in them! ANNNND... should I start with a story from my childhood? Has it been an hour already?
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Joohan, you are my new 30-something hero. You were willing to try a woody and it sounds like you appreciated having to adapt strokes rather than just giving up on anything but windshield wipers. I’ve played a lot of league and pickup singles with 30 and 40-somethings and I wish I could find one who enjoys switching styles (and even rackets) around just for the love of the game. I see nothing but totally predictable baseline bashers, who — don’t get me wrong — I still truly enjoy playing and sometimes beating. But it can get boring. I love playing a topspin baseline first set against a young gun with my VC98, then watch the look on his face when I start the second set with my 280/630 and change to flat drives, slices, and some s&v. I know I can’t play long topspin points for three sets against 30s anymore. But its funny when I win a set or two playing short “sniper” points with the PT or PS and the opponent thinks I was cheating by not rallying. I’ve had some young guys actually thank me for not playing old man lob tennis against them. They’d rather get beat by a serve and volley slicer than a old lobber. In most cases, I really don’t care who wins unless the opponent is just a jerk about things.
But contrast the 30/40 somethings with the 50-60s crowd. The 50/60s seem to either buy Babs to try to recapture their youth, but then look silly trying to imitate Rafa and usually hurt themselves .... or they buy Weeds or maybe Clash and regress to eternal lob/dropshot tennis. That’s why I still try to play guys 20 years younger, if they let me.
So WOOD! Europe won’t let me in now, but I want to go just to find a woody tournament!!!! I played in some woody tournaments many years ago but haven’t seen one here in Florida in a very long time. My favorite wood racket in those tournaments was Borg’s Donnay Allwood Superlight. MADE IN BELGIUM! SMOOTH. There was one tournament that even used classic white balls and required (mostly) white clothing and shoes. Yeah, a little extreme. Cheers!
Hi and thanks for your kind words, appreciated. I thoroughly enjoyed that woody session. He had a bunch of legendary frames in his bag including that black Donnay Borg plus some usual suspects like Jack Kramer and so on. If I remember correctly, I played with Dunlop Maxply Fort most of the time and during that one competitive set we did. Loved it. Obviously, I was hitting with more "upward brush" than he was and anyone with a semi-good eye could tell it's not my usual cup of tea but I made it work just fine. I enjoyed his smooth technique and out-of-this-world volleys (for me, anyway) even more. Wonderfully calming and pleasing to my eye. He said he worked as a coach at a tennis club with mostly grass courts somewhere in Rhode Island for some time (even had a chance to hit with Nastase and so on...) and that's where he honed his classic tennis skills. Excellent experience for me and a cool guy to grab a beer with afterwards.

I can relate to what you shared. Many amateur guys I encounter are sort of short stroke, ugly-ish technique, moonball tactics types. Even those who play amateur tournaments don't usually play anything close to what I would brand pretty tennis. I know it's not a requirement for playing smart tennis and winning matches, I just feel it's a bit of a shame not exploring more ways to play and enjoy the game.
 

dr325i

Legend
I would love to have Pro Tour 2.0 in the new paintjob. Could be mostly black/darkred.

95"
18x20 or 16x19
RA between 57-61
320g (unstrung)
310mm (balance point)
SW between 320-325

Available for Europe ASAP.
Don’t think you understood the point of this thread. It is not the wishlist, it is the questions you wanted answered about the racket already distributed to TW...
 

Grinch

New User
Will it be a sub 60 RA? If it’s a 60+RA it wouldn’t be a reissue but a totally different racquet.

The only reason I got sucked into the world of PT57A madness was due to arm injuries. The switch worked so I was hooked. I couldn’t even use a DR98 because despite the “low” 63 RA the lateral stiffness felt off the charts. My tendinitis came raging back.

However my search for old pro tours ended when Prince introduced their phantom racquets. Now I’m (fortunately) not wasting hours scouring the web for overpriced 20+year old racquets or pro stocks that I can’t demo... ANNNNND the string patterns are more open... ANNNND now they’ve put Twaron in them! ANNNND... should I start with a story from my childhood? Has it been an hour already?
I feel your pain, literally. If the PT2.0 doesn’t measure up, which phantom do you suggest for a 280holic?
 
I feel your pain, literally. If the PT2.0 doesn’t measure up, which phantom do you suggest for a 280holic?
I thought the Yonex vcore pro 97hd was pretty darn close but other users jumped down my throat by the mere existence of the two in the same sentence.
 
I feel your pain, literally. If the PT2.0 doesn’t measure up, which phantom do you suggest for a 280holic?
Oops. Didn’t realize you asked about phantoms. None of them feel anything like the Pt57a. They don’t have the forgiving flex towards the tip of the racquet. They were just the only racquets (before the clash was introduced) sub RA60 that didn’t ignite my tendons
 

bkfinch

Semi-Pro
Twaron, also called Aramid, is present in Angell K7, too.
Yea but how does it flex in the head?

Would love to see some official specs at some point rather than speculations, there have been various posts saying 305g, 325g, 320g... :unsure:
(maybe they were in the deleted thread though)

Who says you can't Nadal with a PT???? :laughing::laughing::laughing:
 

stephenclown

Professional
Oops. Didn’t realize you asked about phantoms. None of them feel anything like the Pt57a. They don’t have the forgiving flex towards the tip of the racquet. They were just the only racquets (before the clash was introduced) sub RA60 that didn’t ignite my tendons
You should try the 97P heard a few people compare to the H series on Wilson but the feel on the strings is really really good. Butter smooth but great feedback, much improved over the previous generation and the boxbeam has great stability. It might still not be for you but I didn't really like the first gen 100's either, the only decent one was the ported phantom but that would have been better with higher RA.
 

Grinch

New User
Yea but how does it flex in the head?

Would love to see some official specs at some point rather than speculations, there have been various posts saying 305g, 325g, 320g... :unsure:
(maybe they were in the deleted thread though)

Who says you can't Nadal with a PT???? :laughing::laughing::laughing:
Ha! Nadal could Nadal with a PT, but not most of us mortals.
 
You should try the 97P heard a few people compare to the H series on Wilson but the feel on the strings is really really good. Butter smooth but great feedback, much improved over the previous generation and the boxbeam has great stability. It might still not be for you but I didn't really like the first gen 100's either, the only decent one was the ported phantom but that would have been better with higher RA.
97P is a GREAT frame!!


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tennistiger

Semi-Pro
Im pretty sure Head can duplicate old layups almost identically if they so choose to.
The layup is the Last step: First: But Head did not make the raw materials! Is the company from were they got the Karbon in the past still in business? And If yes could they make Fibres from 30 years ago? And even when they can, what is with the resin?
I have a buddy who is in the bicycle business involved in the frame production and he says in normal circumstances and price regions: NO. And nobody wants a 30 year old new Racket for 1000€.
 

dr325i

Legend
The layup is the Last step: First: But Head did not make the raw materials! Is the company from were they got the Karbon in the past still in business? And If yes could they make Fibres from 30 years ago? And even when they can, what is with the resin?
I have a buddy who is in the bicycle business involved in the frame production and he says in normal circumstances and price regions: NO. And nobody wants a 30 year old new Racket for 1000€.
you do realize Head is still producing the PT57A (Murray, Popryn, others...)?
The layup still feels the same.
As for the cost piece, I do agree...it is not cheap to make it.
 

Caol-ila

New User
Yea but how does it flex in the head?
I do not know how to describe it, sorry. I can say the K7red is the most confortable Angell I used, and it has a fantastic feeling. Better than its sibling K7lime, even if the lime seems to be more competitive.
 

dr325i

Legend
Will it be a sub 60 RA? If it’s a 60+RA it wouldn’t be a reissue but a totally different racquet.

The only reason I got sucked into the world of PT57A madness was due to arm injuries. The switch worked so I was hooked. I couldn’t even use a DR98 because despite the “low” 63 RA the lateral stiffness felt off the charts. My tendinitis came raging back.

However my search for old pro tours ended when Prince introduced their phantom racquets. Now I’m (fortunately) not wasting hours scouring the web for overpriced 20+year old racquets or pro stocks that I can’t demo... ANNNNND the string patterns are more open... ANNNND now they’ve put Twaron in them! ANNNND... should I start with a story from my childhood? Has it been an hour already?
I've hit with a low 60RA frames that are super comfortable and easy on the arm -- PT113 for example, re-issue of the MG Radical MP, Gravity Pro as the latest example. The layup (combo of flex, how and where, weight distribution, etc.) is important and I do believe that this layup fill be great
 
I've hit with a low 60RA frames that are super comfortable and easy on the arm -- PT113 for example, re-issue of the MG Radical MP, Gravity Pro as the latest example. The layup (combo of flex, how and where, weight distribution, etc.) is important and I do believe that this layup fill be great
Do you like the current re-issue of Microgel Radical MP of 62RA? The older the mold of Radical the more I like it – but I wasn't sure of the currect offering.
Just bought new FlexPoint Radical MP – the only one I missed.

Have you tried Phantom 97P or VCore Pro 97HD already? If so – what do you think about them.
 

dr325i

Legend
Do you like the current re-issue of Microgel Radical MP of 62RA? The older the mold of Radical the more I like it – but I wasn't sure of the currect offering.
Just bought new FlexPoint Radical MP – the only one I missed.

Have you tried Phantom 97P or VCore Pro 97HD already? If so – what do you think about them.
I liked the original MG Radical MP more than the re-issue.
I did try 93P and 97HD. Nice feel on both. Did not click with the Yonex at all, got the Gravity pro instead, although they are quite different
 

TennisHound

Legend
I’m not sure why any manufacturer would release something now (let alone Head releasing something that goes against every Graphene fiber of their being).

Why not just wait till this is over?
 

dr325i

Legend
I’m not sure why any manufacturer would release something now (let alone Head releasing something that goes against every Graphene fiber of their being).

Why not just wait till this is over?
What is your projection on "being over"?
Also, I don't think they would have hard time selling a limited run of this legendary frame, any time.
Also, I think tennis people are actually sitting on extra cash these days with no spending, driving...
 

TennisHound

Legend
What is your projection on "being over"?
Also, I don't think they would have hard time selling a limited run of this legendary frame, any time.
Also, I think tennis people are actually sitting on extra cash these days with no spending, driving...
Yep good points. We all know this isn’t gonna be over soon.

Head will no doubt make money on these, especially if it’s the same one, and they haven’t messed with it (like they did the Microgel RMP). But Head management is a mystery, since they don’t seem to motivated by sales as much their “elitist” attitude (which is - “Let’s cheapen costs. These ignorant simpletons won’t know the difference).

They haven’t released it yet...
 

TennisHound

Legend
I never stopped playing. In fact, never played more in my life!
Gawd, we've already had the cops called on us, and kicked us off a neighborhood court, and a park court. Sucks. You have these neighborhood watchdogs who are radicals "Y'all are endangering the world, Stay Home!" Freakin paranoids!
 

dr325i

Legend
Gawd, we've already had the cops called on us, and kicked us off a neighborhood court, and a park court. Sucks. You have these neighborhood watchdogs who are radicals "Y'all are endangering the world, Stay Home!" Freakin paranoids!
same here.
I argued with the cops to show me an official order and to show me the logic behind this.
They could not so next day I came back and never saw them again

We also wrote to the City Officials, challenging them. The said it is "under the review"...

BE SAFE!
 
All of our public courts are closed - locked or nets down minus one rural school. They had to put a sign up saying no more than 10 people on the 6 courts. 2 days later 16 people on them. I mean, I think it is ludicrous that tennis courts are closed and yet, I can go have a bbq at a public park outbuilding as long as it is no more than 10 people but this is more about ease of the government making blanket regulations for the greater good. I was pretty pissed at all these adults reading the sign and just flippantly ignoring it. That court will no doubt be closed this week. Our racquet club has remained open the entire time. I also found an older lady with a dilapidated court I am pondering offering to fix in return for letting me a few buddies us!
 
I’m convinced that the pickleballers ruined it for us, at least in my area. It’s rare to see pickleball infestations with less than 10 pests.. Also the queens of each colony can be downright dangerous to confront.
 
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