Head Pro Tour 2.0 - You should be happy

TennisCanada1

Professional
I see all of you complaining about the RA.

With all due respect, don't you realize that we aren't in the 90s anymore, and that the modern game has moved on to stiffer frames?
Sure, the pocketing, touch and flex feel from a low RA is great, but it isn't viable in today's game. If your goal isn't to win but to simply reminisce, then go out and buy the original.

You should be happy that they've produced a stiffer version of the frame that can hold up to the mass of the ball today's tweener frames produce. Also, it isn't 68-70RA, so it's not a bazooka.

Look at this release as a positive and enjoy the 2.0 for what it is - an update.
 

TennisCanada1

Professional
And before you chime in combatting my claim that 'low RA isn't viable in today's game' with posts about Murray, Cilic, etc, please understand that I'm a firm believer that all else being equal, if they used stiffer frames, it would only help their game. When I say they aren't viable, I mean they aren't viable in the context of non-pro players as compared to using a stiffer frame.
 

Thiem's 1HB

Rookie
And before you chime in combatting my claim that 'low RA isn't viable in today's game' with posts about Murray, Cilic, etc, please understand that I'm a firm believer that all else being equal, if they used stiffer frames, it would only help their game. When I say they aren't viable, I mean they aren't viable in the context of non-pro players as compared to using a stiffer frame.
They also use racquets that are in the 350-360 swing weight range and are elite athletes - which none of these people moaning about the RA rating of the PT2.0 are! More like old guy / Sunday afternoon players who misguidedly think that Head are going to build a racquet specifically for them.

Someone I know bought 10 of these - he's not remotely bothered about the RA rating!

 
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rafa_prestige89

Professional
They also use racquets that are in the 350-360 swing weight range and are elite athletes - which none of these people moaning about the RA rating of the PT2.0 are! More like old guy / Sunday afternoon players who misguidedly think that Head are going to build a racquet specifically for them.

Someone I know bought 10 of these - he's not remotely bothered about the RA rating!

He’s a seller in Australia
 

johndajohn

New User
Firstlyh
They also use racquets that are in the 350-360 swing weight range and are elite athletes - which none of these people moaning about the RA rating of the PT2.0 are! More like old guy / Sunday afternoon players who misguidedly think that Head are going to build a racquet specifically for them.

Someone I know bought 10 of these - he's not remotely bothered about the RA rating!

hey that’s me!

These racquets are phenomenal, quality control on them is amazing!

have strung 6 of them so far, and they all play incredibly well.

glad to see that head finally offered us an updated classic players frame with a modern touch. I’ll be having a YouTube review up mid next week comparing the Head Pro tour 2.0 to the Original Pro Tour 630, a Pro Tour 280 (US) and a Pro stock PT57A customised to the exact specs of the retail pro tour 2.0.

great racquet!
 

Howard H

Rookie
I see all of you complaining about the RA.

With all due respect, don't you realize that we aren't in the 90s anymore, and that the modern game has moved on to stiffer frames?
Sure, the pocketing, touch and flex feel from a low RA is great, but it isn't viable in today's game. If your goal isn't to win but to simply reminisce, then go out and buy the original.

You should be happy that they've produced a stiffer version of the frame that can hold up to the mass of the ball today's tweener frames produce. Also, it isn't 68-70RA, so it's not a bazooka.

Look at this release as a positive and enjoy the 2.0 for what it is - an update.
Even in the 90s and early 00s HEAD had a PT57E layup in the Pro Tour and in the Prestige that had also an RA of about 65 which was indeed firmer than PT57A but not harsh or stiff at all. And the feel of this new PT2.0 is exactly there.
 

Return_Ace

Professional
Tbh, how much of this is just more people looking at "X" and making a snap judgment of how they think it will play?

Take the 360+ Prestige release, the number of people on the forum that were still of the opinion that Graphene = Bad, and Head have made an abomination of the Prestige name with their non-old-school Mid and MP headsizes blah blah.

A few weeks later and the opinion now seems to have shifted and that Head are "moving in the right direction", "listening to what the customers want" etc. etc.

What a fickle customer base they have to deal with :unsure:
 

jangotango

Rookie
Firstlyh


hey that’s me!

These racquets are phenomenal, quality control on them is amazing!

have strung 6 of them so far, and they all play incredibly well.

glad to see that head finally offered us an updated classic players frame with a modern touch. I’ll be having a YouTube review up mid next week comparing the Head Pro tour 2.0 to the Original Pro Tour 630, a Pro Tour 280 (US) and a Pro stock PT57A customised to the exact specs of the retail pro tour 2.0.

great racquet!
What's your channel name??
 

krikamons

New User
is the 360+ prestige layup different from that in pt2.0? (i note that marketing is different, but in reality if they were the same mould, weight, string pattern, would they be the same thing?)
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
I see all of you complaining about the RA.

With all due respect, don't you realize that we aren't in the 90s anymore, and that the modern game has moved on to stiffer frames?
Sure, the pocketing, touch and flex feel from a low RA is great, but it isn't viable in today's game. If your goal isn't to win but to simply reminisce, then go out and buy the original.

You should be happy that they've produced a stiffer version of the frame that can hold up to the mass of the ball today's tweener frames produce. Also, it isn't 68-70RA, so it's not a bazooka.

Look at this release as a positive and enjoy the 2.0 for what it is - an update.
Did you just use the "it's the current year" trope for a tennis racquet?
 

rafa_prestige89

Professional
Firstlyh


hey that’s me!

These racquets are phenomenal, quality control on them is amazing!

have strung 6 of them so far, and they all play incredibly well.

glad to see that head finally offered us an updated classic players frame with a modern touch. I’ll be having a YouTube review up mid next week comparing the Head Pro tour 2.0 to the Original Pro Tour 630, a Pro Tour 280 (US) and a Pro stock PT57A customised to the exact specs of the retail pro tour 2.0.

great racquet!
You could compare it also to the i.Prestige MP in your review!
 

Lavs

Hall of Fame
PT2.0 is graphite and fiberglass
Probably stupid idea, but could Head take PT57E and just duplicate it?
If the feel of PT2.0 is very close to iPrestige (as it's said) - can it be the same racket under the paint?
Just a thought.
 
Firstlyh


hey that’s me!

These racquets are phenomenal, quality control on them is amazing!

have strung 6 of them so far, and they all play incredibly well.

glad to see that head finally offered us an updated classic players frame with a modern touch. I’ll be having a YouTube review up mid next week comparing the Head Pro tour 2.0 to the Original Pro Tour 630, a Pro Tour 280 (US) and a Pro stock PT57A customised to the exact specs of the retail pro tour 2.0.

great racquet!
Let me know where to find that review :)
 
I recently sold my pair of PT630. Fantastic frames, feel really great, ball cupping effect is indeed unique, lots of plow, and really cool for nostalgic sessions. But it's not necessarily better or worse than others out there. I prefer the feel of my Ultra Tours when I hit spot on for instance.

The problem with them is that they're no good when it comes to winning matches, at least in my level (4.0ish). Too sluggish, head is too small, flexes too much so it's hard to generate power and tough on the arm if you don't swing it fully or miss the minute sweetspot, it's much harder to apply spin compared to modern frames, it's not whippy enough making it virtually impossible to hit a semi decent shot if you're half late on the stroke or playing defense... anyway, not so say that it's not a great freaking stick, but most people shouldn't be playing with it in today's fast game, unless they have VERY consistent technique and mad fitness level.
 

chinny562

New User
Born in the 90's and the only frame I played with before this release is the PT 280 from an old coach of mine.

Bought two of the Pro Tour 2.0 since it's limited edition.

Currently playing with the Blade v7 18x20 so I'm definitely excited to try these Head Frames!

I just got them today! Super fast shipping from TW.
 

MRfStop

Hall of Fame
I see all of you complaining about the RA.

With all due respect, don't you realize that we aren't in the 90s anymore, and that the modern game has moved on to stiffer frames?
Sure, the pocketing, touch and flex feel from a low RA is great, but it isn't viable in today's game. If your goal isn't to win but to simply reminisce, then go out and buy the original.

You should be happy that they've produced a stiffer version of the frame that can hold up to the mass of the ball today's tweener frames produce. Also, it isn't 68-70RA, so it's not a bazooka.

Look at this release as a positive and enjoy the 2.0 for what it is - an update.
 

PT280 Fan

Rookie
To me it seems like more disinformation on here than a Trump press conference. Top Pros still by and large go with lower powered heavy frames - super stiff lightweight frames lead to injury issues. Murray had a good run with his low powered PT57s before the hip operation, AND he was never out with wrist, shoulder or elbow issues like a good many that went strictly for power. Sorry but that argument doesn't hold water for pros or weekend warriors.

I don't have enough immediate information or personal experience to call the new stick a hit or a miss. Can't wait to give it a spin though, and I'm kind of proud that my longtime weapons of choice have become reissued. I've always thought that the PTs had epic cosmetics.
 

Return_Ace

Professional
According to the podcast, the pallet is not the same as the original but rather more blockish ala Wilson.
:unsure:

I listened to the podcast yesterday and i thought they said that it had traditional TK82 pallets.

They had a whole discussion on how they felt about the traditional Head pallet shape and i don't see a reason to unless it was what the PT2.0 was using.

Admittedly i was working with the past on in the background, so want fully playing attention.
 

Jster

Professional
I see all of you complaining about the RA.

With all due respect, don't you realize that we aren't in the 90s anymore, and that the modern game has moved on to stiffer frames?
Sure, the pocketing, touch and flex feel from a low RA is great, but it isn't viable in today's game. If your goal isn't to win but to simply reminisce, then go out and buy the original.

You should be happy that they've produced a stiffer version of the frame that can hold up to the mass of the ball today's tweener frames produce. Also, it isn't 68-70RA, so it's not a bazooka.

Look at this release as a positive and enjoy the 2.0 for what it is - an update.
they should buy woodies instead. softer and more stable
 

Howard H

Rookie
:unsure:

I listened to the podcast yesterday and i thought they said that it had traditional TK82 pallets.

They had a whole discussion on how they felt about the traditional Head pallet shape and i don't see a reason to unless it was what the PT2.0 was using.

Admittedly i was working with the past on in the background, so want fully playing attention.
It definitely has the traditional now called TK82 pallets and not the rounder TK82S. For anybody who is unsure just remove the base grip und you will find the imprint on the pallet.
 

kreative

Professional
Born in the 90's and the only frame I played with before this release is the PT 280 from an old coach of mine.

Bought two of the Pro Tour 2.0 since it's limited edition.

Currently playing with the Blade v7 18x20 so I'm definitely excited to try these Head Frames!

I just got them today! Super fast shipping from TW.
Definitely interested in hearing your thoughts between the 2 frames.
 

TennisCanada1

Professional
To me it seems like more disinformation on here than a Trump press conference. Top Pros still by and large go with lower powered heavy frames - super stiff lightweight frames lead to injury issues. Murray had a good run with his low powered PT57s before the hip operation, AND he was never out with wrist, shoulder or elbow issues like a good many that went strictly for power. Sorry but that argument doesn't hold water for pros or weekend warriors.

I don't have enough immediate information or personal experience to call the new stick a hit or a miss. Can't wait to give it a spin though, and I'm kind of proud that my longtime weapons of choice have become reissued. I've always thought that the PTs had epic cosmetics.
This is just simply not true..oh the irony. You think stiff frames cause professional players injuries? Maybe a rec player with subpar technique, but show me one pro who gets tennis/golfer's elbow/etc. a stiff frame. You reference Murray because he uses a soft frame. He uses a soft frame because like many other players, pros do *not* want to switch from what they have played with for many years. They are comfortable and are hesitant to change the sensation of the frame. Disinformation is right.
 

PT280 Fan

Rookie
This is just simply not true..oh the irony. You think stiff frames cause professional players injuries? Maybe a rec player with subpar technique, but show me one pro who gets tennis/golfer's elbow/etc. a stiff frame. You reference Murray because he uses a soft frame. He uses a soft frame because like many other players, pros do *not* want to switch from what they have played with for many years. They are comfortable and are hesitant to change the sensation of the frame. Disinformation is right.
I don't know how about Del Potro for one.
 

PT280 Fan

Rookie
It definitely has the traditional now called TK82 pallets and not the rounder TK82S. For anybody who is unsure just remove the base grip und you will find the imprint on the pallet.
My bad, one of the guys on the "beyond the playtest" podcast said different pallet but he was referring to as opposed to the Speed Pro. I got confused, as I didn't realize that Head had gone away from the traditional rectangular pallet that I prefer.
 

TennisCanada1

Professional
I don't know how about Del Potro for one.
How on earth can you prove that?

First of all, Del Potro uses the old HPS95, and he was using them to the point where he only had 2 left in the K factor PJ before being forced to switch. He used them for years upon years. The RA of those racquets after being strung so frequently went down considerably, disproving your point right away.

Secondly, how can you prove or quantify his injury in relation to the RA of his frame? There's literally nothing to back that up.

I'm not going to entertain future responses, FYI.
 

PT280 Fan

Rookie
How on earth can you prove that?

First of all, Del Potro uses the old HPS95, and he was using them to the point where he only had 2 left in the K factor PJ before being forced to switch. He used them for years upon years. The RA of those racquets after being strung so frequently went down considerably, disproving your point right away.

Secondly, how can you prove or quantify his injury in relation to the RA of his frame? There's literally nothing to back that up.

I'm not going to entertain future responses, FYI.
71 RA on the Del Potro stick, need I say more? Lots of other examples of players being sidelined or career ended by using bad equipment, most aren't big names and it's not a story that manufacturers want out either.
 

Serve&Bash

Semi-Pro
Why does every other two-bit rec player on this forum act like they know what equipment would be better for top ranked pros? "Oh, Player X will win slams if he switches to a high swingweight and gets rid of his toy racket" "Player Y is good, but he would be really good if he switched to modern frame with a higher RA". At a certain level, people stop pinning their successes and failures on equipment.
 

Return_Ace

Professional
At a certain level, people stop pinning their successes and failures on equipment.
And the reverse should also be true when people slate all the new releases because they aren't traditional flexy classic frames.

bUt aLl tHe pRoS sTiLl uSe lOw RA fRaMeS

Not that I'm saying that's what you're implying, i agree with the basic sentiment. People should just play with what they feel most comfortable with. Nothing to stop you from drawing inspiration from what they use, but unless you put in the same amount of effort as they have to get where they are, you aren't going to see the same results.
 

Volleydropshot

New User
Bought two of the Pro Tour 2.0 since it's limited edition.

Currently playing with the Blade v7 18x20 so I'm definitely excited to try these Head Frames!
I'm also very interested in this comparison - have you had time to test them out? I'm currently playing with 2015 18x20 blades and about to pull the trigger on Pro Tour 2.0. I'm not 100% satisfied with the Blades, so the hunt for the Holy Grail / Excalibur continues...
 

pfrischmann

Professional
Hi guys,
I just got one of these. 12.1 ounces, 32mm balance, 330SW. I took it to drills yesterday. It's a pretty cool stick, especially with the Lynx strings. I'm told they are string at 46lbs. Touch and volleys are great. Amazing even. Ground strokes will take a while as I am used to racquets with a looser pattern. I feel like a loose a little on my whippy forehand and Kick serve but accuracy, touch and feel are exceptional. I find it has more power than my Ultra tour. It feels great!.
 
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