Head Speed Legend - Djokovic Signature

Eilathen said:
Got to be honest (even if I will be the "odd man out" here), i find a pure black PJ suuuuper boring and not at all nice. I'd take the oreo over that any day of the week.
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Definitely the opposite of most. At our shop we already have 10 “sold” to speed users who like the 2.0 but not velvet finish. Everyone who’s looking at current speed in the past has said they’ll wait when they see the pics of the new one we show them.
 
DropvolleysRhard said:
Definitely the opposite of most. At our shop we already have 10 “sold” to speed users who like the 2.0 but not velvet finish. Everyone who’s looking at current speed in the past has said they’ll wait when they see the pics of the new one we show them.
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That brings up the question of what will Head do if the Legend starts outselling the oreo by vast amounts? I imagine they are invested in the velvet paint for at least two years.
 
heavyD said:
That brings up the question of what will Head do if the Legend starts outselling the oreo by vast amounts? I imagine they are invested in the velvet paint for at least two years.
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1) that will not happen
2) the velvet paint is more expensive than the glossy black PJ, so, to head it would bring higher profits as the frames are the same, some painted in velvet and some in black PJ. They can easily update the quantities of each if necessary
 
dr325i said:
1) that will not happen
2) the velvet paint is more expensive than the glossy black PJ, so, to head it would bring higher profits as the frames are the same, some painted in velvet and some in black PJ. They can easily update the quantities of each if necessary
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Out of curiosity, how much of the cost goes to paint? I can't imagine it's a huge amount?

Like a random assumption if it costs $50 to manufacture, would it be like $50 vs $51, or $50 vs $60 to switch from gloasy to velvet?
 
dr325i said:
1) that will not happen
2) the velvet paint is more expensive than the glossy black PJ, so, to head it would bring higher profits as the frames are the same, some painted in velvet and some in black PJ. They can easily update the quantities of each if necessary
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I just find the velvet paint a curious choice. I used a last gen MP speed most of last season and still had some issues with over grip color from my hands transferring to the matte white paint at the throat. It just seems like a questionable choice for a white racquet to take that a step further with velvet paint. Seems like it may have been a better fit for Radical colors.
 
Arjuntino said:
Out of curiosity, how much of the cost goes to paint? I can't imagine it's a huge amount?

Like a random assumption if it costs $50 to manufacture, would it be like $50 vs $51, or $50 vs $60 to switch from gloasy to velvet?
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I think you’re talking about $1 vs 1.25
 
Arjuntino said:
Out of curiosity, how much of the cost goes to paint? I can't imagine it's a huge amount?

Like a random assumption if it costs $50 to manufacture, would it be like $50 vs $51, or $50 vs $60 to switch from gloasy to velvet?
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The issue with velvet is the consistency and durability. Apparently, this manufacturer has super durable velvet paint that is probably more expensive than standard.
 
Arjuntino said:
Out of curiosity, how much of the cost goes to paint? I can't imagine it's a huge amount?

Like a random assumption if it costs $50 to manufacture, would it be like $50 vs $51, or $50 vs $60 to switch from gloasy to velvet?
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Surely noone will tell you about the exact commercials behind the racket, but let's just say this

Budget rackets (e.g. Artengo) always have a regular, non-shiny, non-velvet paint, so this surely is the cheapest.
Both velvet and high quality shiny paint will cost a premium, hence it is used only for more expensive rackets and pro stock

Generally I think that Head has a rather good paint quality in most frames, e.g. Babolat already has paint chips from looking at it only
 
guilhermefdc said:
Anecdotally, my worst experiences have been with Yonexes…
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Yeah me too. The paint on my Aqua Night Black paint job on my Ezone's have been the least durable paint job I have seen in a long time. Even the slightest grazing on the court removes all the paint off. Nowhere near as durable as the Head racquets I have used of late.
 
heavyD said:
Yeah me too. The paint on my Aqua Night Black paint job on my Ezone's have been the least durable paint job I have seen in a long time. Even the slightest grazing on the court removes all the paint off. Nowhere near as durable as the Head racquets I have used of late.
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Had the same problem with the Vcore Galaxy paintjob
 
guilhermefdc said:
Anecdotally, my worst experiences have been with Yonexes…
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Yonex (ezone 100 and vcore 98) are the only recent rackets where I need a second rubber layer around the frame to prevent chipping while stringing... The paint doesn't seem to stick to their frame's composition well.
Just tested the Speed Pro 24 today... prefer the colour scheme over the Legend, may need a few more tests to see if the "velvet" feel intrudes itself, but when you're scrambling, hand feel is the last thing on your mind. We're still getting the old "Black" in AU so it might be Oreo or save money and go black :P
 
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heavyD said:
Yeah me too. The paint on my Aqua Night Black paint job on my Ezone's have been the least durable paint job I have seen in a long time. Even the slightest grazing on the court removes all the paint off. Nowhere near as durable as the Head racquets I have used of late.
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My only problem with the Ezone 98 is the paint just falls off. I have the regular blue 2022 one and it seems the same as you’re describing AN paint
 
on the latest podcast with Tennisnerd, Dennis Fabian refers to the Radical as both plush and crisp. can someone explain to me how both can be true?

this was a great discussion, and I'm not just biased because he agreed with me on the success of the Speed line. the face is one thing, the mold, layup, playability, all make a difference. Speed MP-L sounds interesting
 
oldmanyellingatcloud said:
on the latest podcast with Tennisnerd, Dennis Fabian refers to the Radical as both plush and crisp. can someone explain to me how both can be true?

this was a great discussion, and I'm not just biased because he agreed with me on the success of the Speed line. the face is one thing, the mold, layup, playability, all make a difference. Speed MP-L sounds interesting
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I agree with Dennis. Radical is not a soft racket, has some crispness to it but still feels comfortable and plush in hand (not the classic plushness of the PT630 or PC600). The Radical 2.0 adds to it with Auxetic 2.0 that takes the "plushness" up the notch, but not the softness the way the Prestige Pro does or example
 
dr325i said:
The PJ is nice, nothing crazy, but nice, simple, conservative. Looks beautiful on the ND stick that I held last week in KB.
However, the 2025 Gravity PJ made me return to that impatient 12 year old I used to be 40+ years ago!!!
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Any deets on the new head gravity PJ? I really liked the previous one black with that metallic blue.
Also do you know if the Gravity MP 2025 version going to be little heavier or more stable?
 
That gravity mp xl looks very interesting spec wise. Just not a big fan of extended length. Whippy, good weight buttery RA. Dang maybe the speed can wait.
 
dr325i said:
I tested the Tour and believe me, you will want THAT. The PJ is beautiful but to early to comment and possibly not even the final one…
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I hope they do not change the specs on the pro. I love mine but they are nearing the limit for me on SW. don’t want em to go up.
 
heavyD said:
Do you own a Rafa Origin frame? Do you know anyone that does? This reminds me of car forums where people always complain in North America that we don't get wagons that Europe does or we need more 2 door coupe sports cars, or upset at automatic only. I've seen so many threads in numerous car forums over the years where people say "if you bring it I will buy it" or "no manual, no care" then when they actually do bring a wagon, or build a nice sporty 2-door coupe, or add a manual transmission option, nobody buys it including those people that said they would.
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North America is one of the last markets some manufacturers are actually still selling manual sports cars. Take rate on manuals for BMW M2/3 the last few gens was actually pretty good in the US
 
Just played with Speed MP 2024 with Sync at 50 lbs in the morning and it is so good so I get my Speed MP legend strung with the same setup. Doesn’t feel the same. Legend is noticeably firmer it feels different, but play pretty similar.
 
Tan Tennis said:
Just played with Speed MP 2024 with Sync at 50 lbs in the morning and it is so good so I get my Speed MP legend strung with the same setup. Doesn’t feel the same. Legend is noticeably firmer it feels different, but play pretty similar.
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are you serious is it the black paint you think ?
 
snoflewis said:
Do you still have the f87 m2c?
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I wish. That is the only car I really miss. I moved on to the G80 6MT. Great machine, S58 is a gem BUT no wild factor of the S55 and nimble factor of the F87.
My back, hips and knees were crying getting in and out of the G80 (actually lower sitting position than the F87) and manually shifting, so I got into the Macan GTS and really liking it a lot.
 
Tan Tennis said:
Just played with Speed MP 2024 with Sync at 50 lbs in the morning and it is so good so I get my Speed MP legend strung with the same setup. Doesn’t feel the same. Legend is noticeably firmer it feels different, but play pretty similar.
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Same mold, layup, only difference is the PJ. I would be surprised if the paint would dramatically alter the feel for us, amateurs. However, the rackets also have manufacturing tolerances and I wonder if the two of yours ended up on the opposite ends of the spectrum which could be significant.
 
Could only be flex that is higher on the legend one ? How much flex points would indicate that change

Tan test a lot frames so may be able to feel the difference regardless of a big flex change perhaps …
 
dr325i said:
Same mold, layup, only difference is the PJ. I would be surprised if the paint would dramatically alter the feel for us, amateurs. However, the rackets also have manufacturing tolerances and I wonder if the two of yours ended up on the opposite ends of the spectrum which could be significant.
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Denis Fabian mentioned on TN’s podcast that he was curious as to what people would think about the racquets — unclear if due to psychological or actual differences…
 
Tan Tennis said:
Just played with Speed MP 2024 with Sync at 50 lbs in the morning and it is so good so I get my Speed MP legend strung with the same setup. Doesn’t feel the same. Legend is noticeably firmer it feels different, but play pretty similar.
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Any way you can check the specs as well? Was curious if there's a difference due to paint. Gloss usually plays a bit firmer.
 
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