Rabbit
G.O.A.T.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
TwinTube
jmacdaununder2
Legend
I'm guessing that the 'G' is for graphite then?
H22 fan
Semi-Pro
The TGK’s are the older ones, till Youtek IG pj’s. The Graphene ones are TGT’s. My TGT’s (in Graphene and Graphene XT pj’s) are also TT, don’t know if the TGK’s are TT.
Sorry but this is not correct. TGTs are the customizable version (=for HEAD proplayers) of TGKs, which are the market racquets.
cmendez79
Semi-Pro
You are wrong my friend
Like the other user name said ALL frames have a code. The tgk or TGT it’s the same just means where they were manufactured in a different production plant , as from the graphemes everything moved thats why all the frames that had a TGK code now are TGT but are the same frame
For example the Youtek IG Speed 300 16x19 has the code TGK 263.3 if you take the pallets off which I did of a retail version.
I have also a pro stock raquect of this frame in TGK 263.3 and also in TGT 263.3 all this frames have the pro stock sticker
You can google easily and see the differences.
Also my retail Youtek IG Speed 300 weight obviously 300 g with no strings and my pro stocks ( both frames the older TGK 263.3 and the newer one TGT263.3) weight around 285 with no strings this is for customization
I have bought/used and sold many many pro stock frames , from pt57a, TGK/TGK, pt161, Wilson h22, h19 etc..so I have a little of experience
Si if you have a pro stock frame TGK or TGT with the same code , means it’s the same frame with same layup, but be careful also it does not mean its has the same specs with it might already be customized for a player
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TGTs and TGKs are all produced at the same factory in China since at least 15 years, long before Graphene. Only PTs are made at HEAD HQ in Austria. Believe it or not.
I do not know which pro stock racquets you have or got them from, but if you tell me the code on the "pro stock sticker" or better send me a pic, I can tell you more about the racquet.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Absolutely NOT
Head switched codes from TGK to TGT during Innegra era. Both, retail and Pro stock version have the same engineering code.
The differences are:
- Pro stock hairpin is usually made lighter to allow for customization
- Pro stock has different markings (Sticker under pallets and player sticker) and may have glossy vs. matte PJ
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dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Again NOT TRUE. Better not post then embarrass yourself.
True, the TGK nd TGT are produced in CHina.
The PT (including Novak's PT113B1 and others) are produced in China too.
The PT57x and other PT versions have shifted the production to China in 2011
Definitely PTs and of course pre developments.
Believe me, PT means made in KB. Otherwise it is not an original frame of the player you mentioned and that he is using currently.
edelp
Semi-Pro
PT... but for sure something was done in China, (not that this is an issue for me), maybe jsut the hairpin?
n8dawg6
Legend
1000 words ...
You are right. After the PTs are molded in KB they go to China to get the cosmetic and then come back.what do you mean?
H22 fan
Semi-Pro
No way they are travelling like this...
But that's how it works.
FourOutOfFive
Rookie
I’ve seen multiple arguments in the PT57 threads over whether they still contain Twaron since the production change in 2011 and have never seen this brought up. It seems to be common knowledge that all of Head’s pro stocks are now fully produced in China. Can anybody back this guy up?
not arguing that it doesn't work like that, but I doubt that it's the most efficient operation, cost-wise...
if let's say I claim it, how does it help you?
it's not gonna be Head official claim
not that I knew if that is true or not, but a post on a forum from an user that might have the knowledge or not, is not different from a coin flip
Lavs
Hall of Fame
Skis
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
It is NOT how it works. You have no idea what are you talking about...
The H22 is the code for KB factory and early PT frames (prior to 2011) all had H22xxxx code on the hairpin, for example, the PT57A was H22057Ax, where x = layup
I've had a few Euro Pros ask me to get them the "old" PT57As during the initial head transition as China factories could not match the layup for initial 1 or two batches. It was obvious to recreational player (me) too.
As shown above (on one of my old frames), the HRD14 is one of Chinese factories where these are produced. HRD08 is another one I have frames from.
The mold is created in KB, KB is pure R&D facility (tennis) now and only prototypes are created there.
PT113Bx, PT57A, PT57E, TGTs, PT161, and a few other remaining pro-stock codes are all manufactured, finished, painted in China
KB gets them back and possibly does some customization, although Pros use customizer services (like P1, ****...in most cases)
Stop posting junk here.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Of course they are not. The racket production is still labor intensive and most steps are manual and makes no sense to do that in Austria.
Painting is more automated, so, the cheapest part of the process.
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Now it is obvious. It's not even half-knowledge you have about HEAD racquet production. I do not doubt, that you might know a lot about tennis, racquets, brands, ..., but in this case I have to disappoint you.
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FourOutOfFive
Rookie
Where are you getting your information from? You can’t just post stuff like this without any citations and expect people to believe you. I’ve seen posts from @dr325i regarding the factory change dating back years and he’s laid down a lot more useful info than you. All you’re doing is sticking to the same fact that you can’t even back up and calling other people clueless...
From a common sense perspective, these are pro stocks that Head produces a few hundred in a given year. They would construct the frame, have them ship it out to China, and have it shipped back, then it would be customized individually in KB for every player?? How does this makes any sense?
There is quality control that needs to be paid close attention to every player that matters. In golf, tour vans construct clubs on the spot, players go hit them and if they don't like them, they change it on the spot. Well, in 20 mins or so.. epoxy needs to cure.
Turn back time 20 years, they did that with Liquidmetal frames.. KB>CZ, where it would makes sense for a high volume retail line makes some sense, doing that for a select few, I don't see how it's even a discussion.
There is quality control that needs to be paid close attention to every player that matters. In golf, tour vans construct clubs on the spot, players go hit them and if they don't like them, they change it on the spot. Well, in 20 mins or so.. epoxy needs to cure.
Turn back time 20 years, they did that with Liquidmetal frames.. KB>CZ, where it would makes sense for a high volume retail line makes some sense, doing that for a select few, I don't see how it's even a discussion.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
I was wrong
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In terms of TGKs you are right, that until 2011 also proplayer frames out of China had this code, not only market racquets. Since 2011 TGT stands for customized (weight, balance, swingweight, ...) proplayer frames and TGK for market frames made in China. PTs have always been and are still made in Kennelbach. Some HEAD pro players use KB=PT layups, some play TGTs.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
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"NO recent retail frame has the "TGK" marking?" Wrong (see pics above)!
"PTs are not made in KB." Wrong, too.
Cannot prove this to you, would lead to far and seems to be useless discussing with you.
If you need more info about any "little black sticker" you have, let me know.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
THANKS!"NO recent retail frame has the "TGK" marking?" Wrong (see pics above)!
"PTs are not made in KB." Wrong, too.
Cannot prove this to you, would lead to far and seems to be useless discussing with you.
If you need more info about any "little black sticker" you have, let me know.
I'll let you know if I have questions
NeedforPRESTIGE
Rookie
I have a pro stock with the black sticker “A119921”, so what does it stand for? “A” probably means made in 2010? What does the number means then? ThanksIf you need more info about any "little black sticker" you have, let me know.
Look into your inbox.
TennisHound
Legend
What does the “G” stand for?
2016. It stands for the year when the racquet was customized in KB.
