Head Ti Classic - Modern PT280 or the "Prestige" of the Ti era?

Hello experts who have played with Ti Classic, PT280, and Prestige Classic. How does the Ti Classic play in comparison to the other two frames? I've heard that it used the same mode but different layup as the P280/630 but I may be wrong. I've also heard that it was meant to be the "Prestige" of the Ti era ... I faintly recall the Classic during the late 90s or early 2000s but didn't know of many users; my impression back then was that it was overshadowed by the popularity of the Ti Radical MP.
 
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Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
Remember Titanium Classic, a heavier version of the Ti Radical or Ti 5000. No Classic or Prestige just lumpy
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Hello experts who have played with Ti Classic, PT280, and Prestige Classic. How does the Ti Classic play in comparison to the other two frames? I've heard that it used the same mode but different layup as the P280/630 but I may be wrong. I've also heard that it was meant to be the "Prestige" of the Ti era ... I faintly recall the Classic during the late 90s and early 2000s but didn't know of many users; my impression back then was that it was overshadowed by the popularity of the Ti Radical MP.
It came out in 2002 and was made in China when all premium racquets were still made in Austria. When the Ti.Classic came out the I.Prestige had been out for a year and the marketing tech was intelligence. Was not a Prestige as not meant to be a Prestige.
 
It came out in 2002 and was made in China when all premium racquets were still made in Austria. When the Ti.Classic came out the I.Prestige had been out for a year and the marketing tech was intelligence. Was not a Prestige as not meant to be a Prestige.
Cool, thanks for the info! I wonder what the motivation was for Head to produce that frame.
 

teachingprotx

Hall of Fame
I hated it personally . Wanted to love it as I thought the shape is so similiar to the other good head sticks , how could it not be at least pretty good? Felt nothing . Felt cheap. Which sometimes means to others , soft and flexible ? Cheap to me feels lifeless hollow-ey and stiff not firm.. hard to explain .
But the fun things about tennis rackets is one mans junk is another mans gold. So so true that phrase for rackets too ....
 
I hated it personally . Wanted to love it as I thought the shape is so similiar to the other good head sticks , how could it not be at least pretty good? Felt nothing . Felt cheap. Which sometimes means to others , soft and flexible ? Cheap to me feels lifeless hollow-ey and stiff not firm.. hard to explain .
But the fun things about tennis rackets is one mans junk is another mans gold. So so true that phrase for rackets too ....
Glad you responded. I’m a sucker for those old-school box beam frames from Head. They just “look” and usually feel solid. I’m definitely not a fan of hollow and stiff; prefer solid and more flex.
 

BDAZ

Professional
It came out in 2002 and was made in China when all premium racquets were still made in Austria. When the Ti.Classic came out the I.Prestige had been out for a year and the marketing tech was intelligence. Was not a Prestige as not meant to be a Prestige.
@vsbabolat I’ve often wondered what you think about the Ti.Classic/Ti.Pro Tour compared to the Graphene Prestiges, in all their iterations?
 

Ultra 2

Semi-Pro
I hated it personally . Wanted to love it as I thought the shape is so similiar to the other good head sticks , how could it not be at least pretty good? Felt nothing . Felt cheap. Which sometimes means to others , soft and flexible ? Cheap to me feels lifeless hollow-ey and stiff not firm.. hard to explain .
But the fun things about tennis rackets is one mans junk is another mans gold. So so true that phrase for rackets too ....
Well then, I may actually end up liking this one.. since we’re on the opposite ends of the spectrum in taste.. Just picked up a NOS one. Looks like every other radical MP mold.
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
Well then, I may actually end up liking this one.. since we’re on the opposite ends of the spectrum in taste.. Just picked up a NOS one. Looks like every other radical MP mold.
But much heavier, even after adding CAP grommets and a leather grip to a Radical mp.
 

teachingprotx

Hall of Fame
Mine was head heavy by a bit . Had to add a ton of weight to the grip to try and get it to where I liked the balance after all was done it was like 1000 lbs to get it ok ..
Gave it to a buddy / client and they absolutely LOVE IT!
So it worked out pretty neat :)
 

chazz

Rookie
I owned the ti classic. I bought it as a lighter replacement to the pro tour 280 but I felt the ti classic was too stiff and I didn't like the balance. It wasn't headlight enough. I even added some lead tape under the grip but I still wasn't happy with it. It also didn't have the sweet ball cupping ability that the pro tour 280 had so I couldn't get enough spin on the ball. It felt pretty harsh even though I strung it with a soft multi @ mid tension. That was the last racquet I used before a long layoff from tennis.
 
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Chas55

New User
Hello experts who have played with Ti Classic, PT280, and Prestige Classic. How does the Ti Classic play in comparison to the other two frames? I've heard that it used the same mode but different layup as the P280/630 but I may be wrong. I've also heard that it was meant to be the "Prestige" of the Ti era ... I faintly recall the Classic during the late 90s or early 2000s but didn't know of many users; my impression back then was that it was overshadowed by the popularity of the Ti Radical MP.
The Ti Classic is actually the same as the Pro Tour 280/630. The difference is that it was made in China. If you take the pallet off, you'll see TK57A rather than PT57A. PT indicates the Pro Tour made in Austria and the TK is indicative of the China made model. This racquet is really amazing! It hits with pinpoint accuracy and the feel and flex is spectacular. The balance point is about 325 strung with a SW of about 330. If you don't like a heavy racquet then this one isn't for you, but nothing being made in China today compares.

Cheers! Chas
 

Chas55

New User
Hello experts who have played with Ti Classic, PT280, and Prestige Classic. How does the Ti Classic play in comparison to the other two frames? I've heard that it used the same mode but different layup as the P280/630 but I may be wrong. I've also heard that it was meant to be the "Prestige" of the Ti era ... I faintly recall the Classic during the late 90s or early 2000s but didn't know of many users; my impression back then was that it was overshadowed by the popularity of the Ti Radical MP.
I hated it personally . Wanted to love it as I thought the shape is so similiar to the other good head sticks , how could it not be at least pretty good? Felt nothing . Felt cheap. Which sometimes means to others , soft and flexible ? Cheap to me feels lifeless hollow-ey and stiff not firm.. hard to explain .
But the fun things about tennis rackets is one mans junk is another mans gold. So so true that phrase for rackets too ....
This racquet plays anything but cheap. The feel is buttery and it serves with pinpoint accuracy. Take the pallet off. Underneath you will find TK57A. This IS the Chinese made version of the PT57A with a 18x20 string pattern. It had excellent SW for maximum plow through. Works best with a 17 gauge string to maximize spin. I have 5 of these and amazingly, they are all within a gram or two of each other and most match identically in weight. This is a rarity among and non-prostock frames these days.

Cheers! Chas
 

chazz

Rookie
The ti classic was stiffer, less headlight, and weighed less than the pro tour 280. I've owned both.
 

Chas55

New User
The ti classic was stiffer, less headlight, and weighed less than the pro tour 280. I've owned both.
True. The over all weight is lighter. The RA is 65. However, the PT280 is slightly more head light, not much though. It does have an additional number at the end of the hairpin code. I believe it is TK57A-3 if not mistaken. This may indicate the difference in flex and weight. I enjoy it because of the lower static weight and decent swing weight. The lower static weight makes the high SW a little more mangeable.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
This racquet plays anything but cheap. The feel is buttery and it serves with pinpoint accuracy. Take the pallet off. Underneath you will find TK57A. This IS the Chinese made version of the PT57A with a 18x20 string pattern. It had excellent SW for maximum plow through. Works best with a 17 gauge string to maximize spin. I have 5 of these and amazingly, they are all within a gram or two of each other and most match identically in weight. This is a rarity among and non-prostock frames these days.

Cheers! Chas
it’s the same mold but the Materials used in the Ti.Classic and PT57A are different. The Chinese version of the PT57A was the SMU 1999-2001 Pro Tour 280
 
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Chas55

New User
No it’s the same mold. Materials used in the Ti.Classic and PT57A are different. The Chinese version of the PT57A was the SMU 1999-2001 Pro Tour 280
Check the hairpin. And do you really believe that they used titanium in the Ti Classic? Not likely. All marketing aka smoke and mirrors. The racquet is made of graphite. You can feel it in the flex. I owned the PT280 and the Radical 260 Trisys. It feels they same in regard to the actual feel of the frame. Yes, the PT280 is even more flexible.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
True. The over all weight is lighter. The RA is 65. However, the PT280 is slightly more head light, not much though. It does have an additional number at the end of the hairpin code. I believe it is TK57A-3 if not mistaken. This may indicate the difference in flex and weight. I enjoy it because of the lower static weight and decent swing weight. The lower static weight makes the high SW a little more mangeable.
No
Check the hairpin. And do you really believe that they used titanium in the Ti Classic? Not likely. All marketing aka smoke and mirrors. The racquet is made of graphite. You can feel it in the flex. I owned the PT280 and the Radical 260 Trisys. It feels they same in regard to the actual feel of the frame. Yes, the PT280 is even more flexible.
They didn’t use titanium in any racquet. However the Ti.Classic and Pro Tour 280 while are the same mold have different layups as they have different stiffness. As you say the Pro Tour 280 is even more flexible indicating a different layup and materials used. The Pro Tour 280 is s layup of graphite and twaron fiber.
 

chazz

Rookie
Head really needs to bring back the pt 280/pt57a for a limited run but keep the specs exactly how the original made in Austria version was. Maybe even release a version with a more open string pattern like what Andy Murray uses. I know it ain't gonna happen but if I did I'd order at least two. If I were Prince I'd try to release a clone of that racquet since they are producing racquets with twaron.
 
Check the hairpin. And do you really believe that they used titanium in the Ti Classic? Not likely. All marketing aka smoke and mirrors. The racquet is made of graphite. You can feel it in the flex. I owned the PT280 and the Radical 260 Trisys. It feels they same in regard to the actual feel of the frame. Yes, the PT280 is even more flexible.
They did use a very minuscule amount of titanium, but not enough to make any difference; you can see some titanium filaments woven into the graphite in the "transparent" section on the throat, but I believe it's there just for marketing display. Otherwise the layup is entirely graphite. As @vsbabolat mentioned, both the Trisys 260 MP and PT280/630 have significant percentages of twaron/aramid fiber in its layup. The Trisys 260 feels different to me though, stiffer and less buttery; I prefer the PT280.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
They did use a very minuscule amount of titanium, but not enough to make any difference; you can see some titanium filaments woven into the graphite in the "transparent" section on the throat, but I believe it's there just for marketing display. Otherwise the layup is entirely graphite. As @vsbabolat mentioned, both the Trisys 260 MP and PT280/630 have twaron/aramid fiber in its layup. The Trisys 260 feels different to me though, stiffer and less buttery; I prefer the PT280.
No, there was no titanium. I knew someone that worked in the marketing.

The Radical Trisys 260 and Pro Tour 280 while both have Graphite and Twaron. The layup is different. How the materials were used in the mold is different.
 
No, there was no titanium. I have an PT57A in Ti. Radical MP paint job has that same bs transparent section on the throat. It’s like the gold paint for intellifiber for the Intelligence racquets. Not real. Just there to represent the marketing tech.

The Radical Trisys 260 and Pro Tour 280 while both have Graphite and Twaron. The layup is different. How the materials were used in the mold is different.
Wow, that makes me lose respect for Head even more. And while I understand there's a loyal following for the iPrestige MP, I will never purchase the racquet because that fake piezoelectric fiber is just too cheesy, ugh.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Wow, that makes me lose respect for Head even more. And while I understand there's a loyal following for the iPrestige MP, I will never purchase the racquet because that fake piezoelectric fiber is just too cheesy, ugh.
The i.Prestige is a great racquet and you’re missing out. The paint representing the piezoelectric is fake. My understanding was it was in the frame
 
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... you can see some titanium filaments woven into the graphite in the "transparent" section on the throat, but I believe it's there just for marketing display. ...
I belive it's not a "transparent section" it's just a decal. You can find pictures of heavy used Ti Rads with all paint near this section removed by holding in hands and it looks for me just as a decal.
 

NLBwell

Legend
The i.Prestige is a great racquet and you’re missing out. The paint representing the piezoelectric is fake. My understanding was it was in the frame
Don't know about the racket directly, but my K2 skis would light up a little LED light with the electricity from the piezoelectric fibers. That was cool. Don't know if it made any difference in the skis but I like them a lot. Never liked the iPrestiges, though.
 

Ultra 2

Semi-Pro
Don't know about the racket directly, but my K2 skis would light up a little LED light with the electricity from the piezoelectric fibers. That was cool. Don't know if it made any difference in the skis but I like them a lot. Never liked the iPrestiges, though.
You know K2 used to sell tennis racquets for a short period of time which I believe came out of the Kennelbach factory.. or so rumor has it.
 
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