Head velocity string movement

johnmccabe

Hall of Fame
I strung velocity 17g full bed 47lbs on my son's 16x18 stick. The string movement has been annoying. It's noticeably worse than multifeel which doesn't even have the slick coating. I really didn't expect this and bought a whole reel of velocity. Can someone recommend any remedy?

Using velocity as mains and hybrid with a poly?
 

tele

Professional
velocity does better in denser string patterns i had a lot of movement in my phantom but far less in vcore pro hd. a round poly in crosses like cream or yptp should help. of course, it will need to be changed when poly goes dead for elbow protection if son is not a string breaker
 

tele

Professional
 

gold325

Hall of Fame
I strung multifeel at 44lbs on the same racquet and had 0 issue.

Velocity is overrated and many people started using it when it was $5-$7.5... people read forums past posts even now and keep copying those first "influencers". Sorry.

You can increase tension to 53 or so but it will reduce power to below that of multi feel and will start moving in a hour or so from starting anyway... Try to use the string trades and try to trade it out for other things you and your son can use.
 

LOBALOT

Hall of Fame
Low power should not be an issue on a 16x18 racquet. Usually the opposite is the issue.

As other's have noted it is an open string pattern (spin effect) racquet designed for string movement. Put poly in the cross and string the velocity tighter or move to full poly which is what the racquet was designed for anyway.
 

johnmccabe

Hall of Fame
Low power should not be an issue on a 16x18 racquet. Usually the opposite is the issue.

As other's have noted it is an open string pattern (spin effect) racquet designed for string movement. Put poly in the cross and string the velocity tighter or move to full poly which is what the racquet was designed for anyway.
sub 270gram junior's racquet is designed for high tension or full poly???
 

Chairman3

Hall of Fame
String savers or switch to poly

Basically every string besides poly moves, and poly even starts to move after enough hitting and tension loss. I've never understood why string movement bothers people though?
 

johnmccabe

Hall of Fame
String savers or switch to poly

Basically every string besides poly moves, and poly even starts to move after enough hitting and tension loss. I've never understood why string movement bothers people though?
I've tried 3 tecnifibre multi and 1 wilson multi on the same racquet. none of them move that much. they fray though...
 

Jouke

Professional
Yeah this is the issue with velocity. I coulsnt hit with it for 5 minutes. Strings were alle over the place (18x20 pattern). Triax is the answer, but at a price
 

Happi

Hall of Fame
Yeah this is the issue with velocity. I coulsnt hit with it for 5 minutes. Strings were alle over the place (18x20 pattern). Triax is the answer, but at a price

I agree with Velocity string movement, Technifibre Multifeel Black version is the answer, you can use it as FB or use Velocity as main with MF as cross. My arm did not like Triax, could be the poly mixet into the string.
 

g4driver

Legend
I strung multifeel at 44lbs on the same racquet and had 0 issue.

@johnmccabe

Multifeel doesn't have the same slick coating that Velocity has. You also bought 1.25mm Velocity which is going to move much quicker than 1.30 Velocity.

I missed this info if you posted it.

Q1: how old is your son? And yes, his age matters. Is your son 9 playing with a 26-inch 16x18 junior frame? or 14 playing with a 27-inch frame 16x18 Adult frame like a Prince Textreme Warrior 100?
Q2: what frame? length and model.
Q3: what didn't he like about Tecnifibre Multifeel?
Q4: was MF also 1.25mm?

my .02 if he is 14 or older: get him out of the 16x18 frame and donate the 1.25mm reel of Velocity to a local tennis shop. (You'll get more goodwill than the price of that reel)

my .02 if he is 13 or under :
Put 1.30mm Syn Gut in the mains, and use 16 feet of the Velocity for the crosses. 16.5' feet will string any 100 square inch 16x19 with Velocity, and 16 feet will be plenty for the crosses in his 16x18 pattern. You will get the best use of the Velocity as a cross not as a main. Why? The mains get the bulk of the work. You have the thinnest version of Velocity, so use it in the crosses with 1.30mm Syn Gut or Multifeel mains to salvage it.

I string a lot of frames for beginner kids, and 3.0 players using 1.30mm Multifeel / 1.30mm Velocity. It gets great feedback. Doesn't hurt their elbows and strings don't stick out of place like full beds of syn gut. I don't stock any 1.25mm multis as their sole purpose in life is to break quickly, increasing costs for clients.

When a teaching pro tells me that a 9 to a 12-year-old kid is advancing and needs to move out of a junior frame, two have me pick out the frames. I don't tell them to buy $250 frames, but rather something they can use for another 3 years minimum. For years this inexpensive 102 square inch 16x19 Head Radical S with its 280 gram unstrung weight and 60 RDC has kept dozens of little arms safe. I make nothing on the frames, selling them at my cost. For kids who can't afford a $99 frame, TW has generously donated frames to me to donate back to these kids. I donate my time and the strings, overgrip, and a dampener. Nearly all of these kids are "under-resourced"


There is no way anyone on this forum should be recommending poly for your son to you without knowing your son's age, the frame he is using, and how frequently he is breaking syn gut or multi.

Parents should vet the advice they receive without blindly accepting it.

 

blai212

Hall of Fame
100% agree with @g4driver
Velocity only works well as cross. My friend had same issue with the strings moving all over the place then he switched to MF/V or V/MF hybrid and loved both better than full bed V. He’s 4.5 former college player that can’t use poly.
 

g4driver

Legend
String savers or switch to poly

I've never understood why string movement bothers people though?

you've never played with syn gut in a Prince Graphite ii :confused:

 

Happi

Hall of Fame
100% agree with @g4driver
Velocity only works well as cross. My friend had same issue with the strings moving all over the place then he switched to MF/V or V/MF hybrid and loved both better than full bed V. He’s 4.5 former college player that can’t use poly.
@johnmccabe
Multifeel doesn't have the same slick coating that Velocity has. You also bought 1.25mm Velocity which is going to move much quicker than 1.30 Velocity.

Be aware that MF in the black version is very different from the MF natural version. The Natural version is kind of sticky compared to Velocity slick surface, however the black version is very slick.

MF black has almost the same snapback as a poly, an even better than Triax or RPX. TWU string database has the spin potential for MF black like a good poly.

MF black is a favorite multi together with X-One, Velocity and Isospeed Professional classic.
 

nov

Hall of Fame
Be aware that MF in the black version is very different from the MF natural version. The Natural version is kind of sticky compared to Velocity slick surface, however the black version is very slick.

MF black has almost the same snapback as a poly, an even better than Triax or RPX. TWU string database has the spin potential for MF black like a good poly.

MF black is a favorite multi together with X-One, Velocity and Isospeed Professional classic.
MF its Multifeel?
 

johnmccabe

Hall of Fame
@johnmccabe

Multifeel doesn't have the same slick coating that Velocity has. You also bought 1.25mm Velocity which is going to move much quicker than 1.30 Velocity.

I missed this info if you posted it.

Q1: how old is your son? And yes, his age matters. Is your son 9 playing with a 26-inch 16x18 junior frame? or 14 playing with a 27-inch frame 16x18 Adult frame like a Prince Textreme Warrior 100?
Q2: what frame? length and model.
Q3: what didn't he like about Tecnifibre Multifeel?
Q4: was MF also 1.25mm?

my .02 if he is 14 or older: get him out of the 16x18 frame and donate the 1.25mm reel of Velocity to a local tennis shop. (You'll get more goodwill than the price of that reel)

my .02 if he is 13 or under :
Put 1.30mm Syn Gut in the mains, and use 16 feet of the Velocity for the crosses. 16.5' feet will string any 100 square inch 16x19 with Velocity, and 16 feet will be plenty for the crosses in his 16x18 pattern. You will get the best use of the Velocity as a cross not as a main. Why? The mains get the bulk of the work. You have the thinnest version of Velocity, so use it in the crosses with 1.30mm Syn Gut or Multifeel mains to salvage it.

I string a lot of frames for beginner kids, and 3.0 players using 1.30mm Multifeel / 1.30mm Velocity. It gets great feedback. Doesn't hurt their elbows and strings don't stick out of place like full beds of syn gut. I don't stock any 1.25mm multis as their sole purpose in life is to break quickly, increasing costs for clients.

When a teaching pro tells me that a 9 to a 12-year-old kid is advancing and needs to move out of a junior frame, two have me pick out the frames. I don't tell them to buy $250 frames, but rather something they can use for another 3 years minimum. For years this inexpensive 102 square inch 16x19 Head Radical S with its 280 gram unstrung weight and 60 RDC has kept dozens of little arms safe. I make nothing on the frames, selling them at my cost. For kids who can't afford a $99 frame, TW has generously donated frames to me to donate back to these kids. I donate my time and the strings, overgrip, and a dampener. Nearly all of these kids are "under-resourced"


There is no way anyone on this forum should be recommending poly for your son to you without knowing your son's age, the frame he is using, and how frequently he is breaking syn gut or multi.

Parents should vet the advice they receive without blindly accepting it.

Thanks a lot! @g4driver

I have a 10 year old boy playing with vcore feel 27in. I added tail weight to 285grams strung about 2pt HL. I'm planning to keep weighing it up every few months before switching to a new racquet. Radical S XT looks great! I didn't know about it at all.

I'll buy some multifeel for main. I was indeed using 16gauge multifeel before.

i know your opinion about poly. So your answer probably is no. But just curious, would it work if I string poly mains at 35-38lbs and hybrid with velocity for him? I don't mind restringing the poly hybrid every 15 hours. Is string movement still going to be a problem with this kind of low tension hybrid set-up?
 
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TennisJrDad

Professional
@johnmccabe What is the swing weight of the racquet?

Thanks a lot!

I have a 10 year old boy playing with vcore feel 27in. I added tail weight to 285grams strung about 2pt HL. I'm planning to keep weighing it up every few months before switching to a new racquet. Radical S XT looks great! I didn't know about it at all.

I'll buy some multifeel for main. I was indeed using 16gauge multifeel before.

i know your opinion about poly. So your answer probably is no. But just curious, would it work if I string poly mains at 35-38lbs and hybrid with velocity for him? I don't mind restringing the poly hybrid every 15 hours. Is string movement still going to be a problem with this kind of low tension hybrid set-up?
 

TennisJrDad

Professional
I would be SUPER conservative in adding any weight ... I made that mistake with my son. The current trend in the pros (younger ones- even some older ones) is decreasing weight where possible, not increasing. The overall weight has a myriad of effects on racquet head speed and one's ability to get the racquet to contact with the ball in an optimal location, ie: heavier the racquet, based on strength / athleticism of the player the later they will be to contact which in itself causes issues.

TW listing says 290 strung. I didn't add any weight to the hoop.
 

johnmccabe

Hall of Fame
I would be SUPER conservative in adding any weight ... I made that mistake with my son. The current trend in the pros (younger ones- even some older ones) is decreasing weight where possible, not increasing. The overall weight has a myriad of effects on racquet head speed and one's ability to get the racquet to contact with the ball in an optimal location, ie: heavier the racquet, based on strength / athleticism of the player the later they will be to contact which in itself causes issues.
I'm not a fan of heavy racquet either. but this one is really a transitional frame only 250 grams unstrung.
 

g4driver

Legend
@johnmccabe Thanks for the answers.

Please understand, that I have no skin in the game with my replies to you. I only have my online reputation on this forum. Does that matter? Only to the point of what random people on this forum care what I type. But does my reputation matter outside of this forum? You bet @ home, work, and as a stringer to clients. My answers may not be what you want to read, or perhaps, they might give you an alternative view of what you / your son aren't happy about "String Movement" so humor me with a few questions then I will give you my answer to your question about poly mains strung at 35-38.

Do you think I have had other parents of 9 to 12-year juniors ask me about poly for their son/daughter who has NEVER broken a string in their life? It's a rhetorical question.

Q1: What is your goal of putting a poly main in your son's frame?
Q2: How do you plan to track the number of hours of poly on your son's frame?
Q3: Do you understand what is going to happen to your son's elbow when you let that poly die and he keeps playing with it if you fail to cut it out?
Q4: Do you think poly mains/ velocity is going to make him hit more spin?
Q5: Have you ever tried 1.30mm MF or 1.30mm Syn Gut / Velocity 1.25mm in that Yonex 16x18 frame?
Q6: How frequently did your son break 1.30mm Multifeel? A: If the answer is never or two months, IMO, and likely that of any experienced MRTs / stringers, no your son does not need poly. IMO, he needs a 16x19 frame.

Bonus Q7
: What two factors affect spin generation the most?

Do I string soft poly hybrids and full beds of polys for juniors that break syn gut and multis in less than 20 hours? Absolutely. But those kids are breaking those mains in 16x19 frames from the spin they hit with syn gut or multifilaments in less than 20 hours. These kids are training 2+ hours a day 5 days a week minimum.

Have I every put poly in a 10-year-olds frame? Nope. Then again, I have never strung a frame for a 10-year-old who has broken 1.30mm multi or 1.30mm syn gut. I strung over 1000 frames in 2021 and over 1500 in 2020.

i know your opinion about poly. So your answer probably is no. But just curious, would it work if I string poly mains at 35-38lbs and hybrid with velocity for him? I don't mind restringing the poly hybrid every 15 hours. Is string movement still going to be a problem with this kind of low-tension hybrid set-up?

String movement is not going to be as much of a problem. I am a cost analyst by degree and training. Sunk costs should never factor into investment decisions. You invested in two small things: A reel of Velocity 1.25mm and a Yonex VCore Feel 16x18 frame. My .02 is to salvage the Velocity by using it as a cross string and selling the Yonex Frame and buying a 16x19 frame. Your son is 10 and it seems to me you are trying to solve a problem of string movement for a 10-year-old with a poly main because you put two things that don't work well together. (The 16x18 frame and the slickest multi in the thinnest gauge). So your choices of those two things (frame and string) created the problem (string movement).

My solution fixes the problem, not the symptom. Ditch the frame.

Read the thread and look at the usernames of those who liked this thread. There are multiple very experienced teaching pros and stringers who recognize what Bob Patterson is trying to tell parents.


Answer to Q7: RHS and Launch Angle

Reach out to other stringers who string a lot for kids. @1HBHfanatic @am1899 @Rabbit @jwocky @struggle @Steve Huff @jim e can all give you great input

Best Wishes
 
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g4driver

Legend
Be aware that MF in the black version is very different from the MF natural version. The Natural version is kind of sticky compared to Velocity slick surface, however the black version is very slick.

MF black has almost the same snapback as a poly, an even better than Triax or RPX. TWU string database has the spin potential for MF black like a good poly.

MF black is a favorite multi together with X-One, Velocity and Isospeed Professional classic.
@Happi

I forget to mention the black MF is slicker than the Natural. I have reels of Black, Natural, and Blue ...too bad Blue and Pink are discontinued for now. Maybe one day, Tecnifibre might bring them back.
 

johnmccabe

Hall of Fame
@g4driver
I didn't find a 16x19 racquet as light as vcore feel and thought weight was the top priority for his first full size racquet. Even radical S xt is still a little too heavy for my son right now, I think... Ordered a packet of black MF to try
 
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g4driver

Legend
@johnmccabe

I'm not sure how small your son is, but there are two very good 9-year-olds who are both small (probably in the bottom 25% of their peer group) using this frame with MF 1.30mm mains and / Velocity 1.30mm crosses. Your son isn't going to get hurt swinging a 280-gram frame unstrung with multifilaments. Yes, the frame is heavier than the VCore Feel but the Radical S swing weight is only 11 points higher than the VCore Feel he is already using. If the frame is too Radical S XT is too heavy for him, try it again in 6 months.

It is hard to remove weight from a frame. Would not recommend removing the replacement grip. That grip is there to make the frame HL and provide more cushioning than two overgrips.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
Hmm, I'm surprised with these comments.
I'm using velocity on prince tour 100p (18x20) and found it to be a string with least nylon string movements I've ever hit with.

I mean it's the nylon with the best snapback action I've ever experienced.
What color and gauge?
 

johnmccabe

Hall of Fame
Interesting, this thread got revived... It turns out my son outgrew the radical S within 6 months. He took over my tour 100p strung with multifeel main and velocity cross at 50 lbs. So far so good. although amazing how fast boy destroying the frame by scratching it on the court.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
Interesting, this thread got revived... It turns out my son outgrew the radical S within 6 months. He took over my tour 100p strung with multifeel main and velocity cross at 50 lbs. So far so good. although amazing how fast boy destroying the frame by scratching it on the court.
Velocity natural main with Multifeel black cross is even better. :)
 
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g4driver

Legend
Interesting, this thread got revived... It turns out my son outgrew the radical S within 6 months. He took over my tour 100p strung with multifeel main and velocity cross at 50 lbs. So far so good. although amazing how fast boy destroying the frame by scratching it on the court.
Is this is new frame?


Seems he is growing and advancing quickly. Congrats!!
 

g4driver

Legend
@g4driver have you found the same with Velocity black vs natural as well -- black is slicker?
I find all colors of Velocity to be slicker than any color of MF. I still have some Blue and Pink MF which were discontinued in 2020. Black MF is slicker than Natural MF, so I stopped stocking natural MF. I stock Natural Velocity in reels and packs.

That being written, I prefer Tecnfibre Multis over any other companies.
 
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