Head Velocity

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Tough to say with limited play time. I think it's definitely more than full sgut.

Not as much as full shaped poly. But poly/sgut hybrid? Hmm...I'd say it's pretty close with a nod to the hybrid.

I think I need to try it again at a lower tension.

The LS with velocity has more spin than V1pro with Cream/sgut though.

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It would be way to boring if Velocity was "reel worthy", and your string quest ended.

For the Seinfeld fans ... "reel worthy" reminded me of "sponge worthy"

 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
It would be way to boring if Velocity was "reel worthy", and your string quest ended.

For the Seinfeld fans ... "reel worthy" reminded me of "sponge worthy"


Any decent string is reel-worthy if the price of the reel is right.

For instance, when a couple of reels of Head Reflex hit the bay and no one cared to bid on it, I snagged one for about $50.

Reel-worthy? Definitely.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Any decent string is reel-worthy if the price of the reel is right.

For instance, when a couple of reels of Head Reflex hit the bay and no one cared to bid on it, I snagged one for about $50.

Reel-worthy? Definitely.

I was just kidding @Traffic ... he could find his soul mate string right now, and still not marry it. o_O
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
I was just kidding @Traffic ... he could find his soul mate string right now, and still not marry it. o_O
Yup. Too many untested or not properly tested strings to settle down. I'd like to give Velocity another shot at a lower tension. At least in the 97LS. Maybe it could work quite well at that tension in the V1Pro which seems to offer up a bit more power.
 

392Hemi

Professional
So I finally got to string up my TW100 with Velocity/Cream at 55/50. My other TW100 is a full bed of Velocity at 56/54. Velocity is a pleasure to work with - virtually no coil memory or kinks and its easy on the fingertips.

Cream was easy to work with - for a poly. It did not kink or tangle but the coil memory was pretty stubborn. When I began weaving the crosses up until about half way through - before the tension really started clamping down the mains - it was gliding like nothing I've ever strung before.

I'm hoping I didn't go too high on the tension because it feels pretty firm right off the stringer and I have only been playing multis and syngut. But with all the hoopla I have to give Cream a try. I was considering stringing the Cream 2-3 lbs lower. But it will have a chance to settle for a day or 2 until I have some court time, but definitely looking forward to trying this combo out. The full bed of Velocity has already become a favorite for me, so we'll see how it does in this hybrid.
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
So I finally got to string up my TW100 with Velocity/Cream at 55/50. My other TW100 is a full bed of Velocity at 56/54. Velocity is a pleasure to work with - virtually no coil memory or kinks and its easy on the fingertips.

Cream was easy to work with - for a poly. It did not kink or tangle but the coil memory was pretty stubborn. When I began weaving the crosses up until about half way through - before the tension really started clamping down the mains - it was gliding like nothing I've ever strung before.

I'm hoping I didn't go too high on the tension because it feels pretty firm right off the stringer and I have only been playing multis and syngut. But with all the hoopla I have to give Cream a try. I was considering stringing the Cream 2-3 lbs lower. But it will have a chance to settle for a day or 2 until I have some court time, but definitely looking forward to trying this combo out. The full bed of Velocity has already become a favorite for me, so we'll see how it does in this hybrid.
I too found Velocity pretty good to work with. Neither the Velocity nor the Cream gives me sensitive fingers afterwards like stringing a shaped poly. Stringing with Black Widow, I have to have my band-aids ready. :p

I have to see (through my own play and others' feedback) how long Velocity lasts. But I think for me, it would be great to cross with a soft poly over OGSM which tends to play a bit crisp/stiff. Maybe not as economical as OGSM. But if I zero in on a string combo, I don't have to prep to do a bunch of testing that ends in early string cuttings. It sounded like the Volkl V-Wrap could be a good one to use as a cross. But I wonder if that string is being phased out.

I thought multi would be the least durable main against a poly cross. So would be very interested in your feedback.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I too found Velocity pretty good to work with. Neither the Velocity nor the Cream gives me sensitive fingers afterwards like stringing a shaped poly. Stringing with Black Widow, I have to have my band-aids ready. :p

I have to see (through my own play and others' feedback) how long Velocity lasts. But I think for me, it would be great to cross with a soft poly over OGSM which tends to play a bit crisp/stiff. Maybe not as economical as OGSM. But if I zero in on a string combo, I don't have to prep to do a bunch of testing that ends in early string cuttings. It sounded like the Volkl V-Wrap could be a good one to use as a cross. But I wonder if that string is being phased out.

I thought multi would be the least durable main against a poly cross. So would be very interested in your feedback.

You need some finger rubbers :p for that BW. I actually use one to put the biofreeze on my toe ... did not want a numb fingertip.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008SI4084/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
So I finally got to string up my TW100 with Velocity/Cream at 55/50. My other TW100 is a full bed of Velocity at 56/54. Velocity is a pleasure to work with - virtually no coil memory or kinks and its easy on the fingertips.

Cream was easy to work with - for a poly. It did not kink or tangle but the coil memory was pretty stubborn. When I began weaving the crosses up until about half way through - before the tension really started clamping down the mains - it was gliding like nothing I've ever strung before.

I'm hoping I didn't go too high on the tension because it feels pretty firm right off the stringer and I have only been playing multis and syngut. But with all the hoopla I have to give Cream a try. I was considering stringing the Cream 2-3 lbs lower. But it will have a chance to settle for a day or 2 until I have some court time, but definitely looking forward to trying this combo out. The full bed of Velocity has already become a favorite for me, so we'll see how it does in this hybrid.

Looking forward to your full bed velocity vs velocity/cream side by side. Also ... velocity/cream durability. We are all cutting out to test the "next one", so we probably won't know durability until we settle on a string setup. We also don't find out how a string setup plays for the duration. I could see where velocity/cream might play marginally better (more spin) at first, but then full bed velocity wins out after a couple of weeks.

Probably get to hit ball machine tomorrow ... will test tonic/cream vs full bed ppc side by side. I'm actually hoping I DO NOT want a long term relationship with gut. Life would be simpler with full bed ppc|velocity in both racquets.

@markwillplay just gave a thumps up on initial hit with volkl syn gut ... just to muddy the waters. Lots of colors to pick from ... @Traffic could make that pretty v1 even prettier.
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
I've discovered something with my newest full bed of Velocity. For some crazy reason on my first racquet I decided to hit the strings with some silicone spray before playing. I've read about its advantages and thought I would give it try. I didn't notice any extra spin so I quit using it when I restrung my second racquet. Now my strings are moving like crazy and not snapping back like the first go round. I'm also noticing a bit more wear. I'm going to start using the spray again to see if I can get the snap back I experienced with my first stringing.
@Holliman, so what was the time before you felt you needed to spray? Trying to see how much usable life (time before losing that loving feeling) while playing 'a natural'?
 

KluddKalle

Semi-Pro
I finally received my order for Velocity. Unfortunately I got natural and not black which was what I ordered. But I guess the difference isn't that big?
I got my Pure Strike strung up at 24kg with it and I'll try it tomorrow and compare it to my other ps16x19 that has origin at 24kg. I'm really looking forward to this...have to tone down my expectations maybe. :)
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
I finally received my order for Velocity. Unfortunately I got natural and not black which was what I ordered. But I guess the difference isn't that big?
I got my Pure Strike strung up at 24kg with it and I'll try it tomorrow and compare it to my other ps16x19 that has origin at 24kg. I'm really looking forward to this...have to tone down my expectations maybe. :)
Will be interested in how it plays for you at the lower tension. I strung mine a bit tight at 58# and it has great control, still good comfort, but NO power.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I finally received my order for Velocity. Unfortunately I got natural and not black which was what I ordered. But I guess the difference isn't that big?
I got my Pure Strike strung up at 24kg with it and I'll try it tomorrow and compare it to my other ps16x19 that has origin at 24kg. I'm really looking forward to this...have to tone down my expectations maybe. :)

Put me down in the "very interested" group also. It's great you are doing an exact side by side with origin at same tension. I will get a lot from that, since I tried Origin. You are stringing at 53# ... I go 55# ... so also good comparison. @markwillplay will try soon also ... and give a comparison to ppc. This tt string forum is awesome.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I finally received my order for Velocity. Unfortunately I got natural and not black which was what I ordered. But I guess the difference isn't that big?
I got my Pure Strike strung up at 24kg with it and I'll try it tomorrow and compare it to my other ps16x19 that has origin at 24kg. I'm really looking forward to this...have to tone down my expectations maybe. :)

Put me down in the "very interested" group also. It's great you are doing an exact side by side with origin at same tension. I will get a lot from that, since I tried Origin. You are stringing at 53# ... I go 55# ... so also good comparison. @markwillplay will try soon also ... and give a comparison to ppc. This tt string forum is awesome.

Edit: I will get natural ... I would get rpm blast flashback with black. :confused:
 
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KluddKalle

Semi-Pro
Will be interested in how it plays for you at the lower tension. I strung mine a bit tight at 58# and it has great control, still good comfort, but NO power.

Since the reports here are stating that it's lower powered than origin I belive 24kg will be great. I have great control and power with origin at 24 but sometimes the ball flies on me. Probably more my own fault than the string to be honest but if the power level is more forgiving maybe it'll be better. :)
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Since the reports here are stating that it's lower powered than origin I belive 24kg will be great. I have great control and power with origin at 24 but sometimes the ball flies on me. Probably more my own fault than the string to be honest but if the power level is more forgiving maybe it'll be better. :)

If you are controlling origin @53 ... you should enter some satellite qualifier tournaments... because you "got game".
 

KluddKalle

Semi-Pro
If you are controlling origin @53 ... you should enter some satellite qualifier tournaments... because you "got game".

Lol... thanks I guess. I've had it in one of my racquets string at 23kg and could control that aswell, maybe go for an ATP250 quailification instead? ;)

I'm a 4.5-5.0 (that easily can drop to 4.0 on a bad day) soon to be 40 years old. I play a tournament a year maybe, but mostly matches for fun.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Lol... thanks I guess. I've had it in one of my racquets string at 23kg and could control that aswell, maybe go for an ATP250 quailification instead? ;)

I'm a 4.5-5.0 (that easily can drop to 4.0 on a bad day) soon to be 40 years old. I play a tournament a year maybe, but mostly matches for fun.

I'm a 59 year old ex-4.5 ... I will play you on your 4.0 days. Sweden? Origin might be a perfect string at freezing temps.
 

KluddKalle

Semi-Pro
I'm a 59 year old ex-4.5 ... I will play you on your 4.0 days. Sweden? Origin might be a perfect string at freezing temps.

Really? How is it perfect for cold temps?

I rarely (actually never) play at those temps. Our outdoor season on clay usually starts mid April-beginning of may and lasts until end of September-beginning of October. So the coldest temps I play in is maybe 5-10 celsius (sorry for all the metric measures). But that's rare, we have pretty warm weather here during those months.

I just stepped out on clay last week and didn't restring, and the strings felt just as great as they did indoors.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Really? How is it perfect for cold temps?

I rarely (actually never) play at those temps. Our outdoor season on clay usually starts mid April-beginning of may and lasts until end of September-beginning of October. So the coldest temps I play in is maybe 5-10 celsius (sorry for all the metric measures). But that's rare, we have pretty warm weather here during those months.

I just stepped out on clay last week and didn't restring, and the strings felt just as great as they did indoors.

Just making fun how powerful origin is ... figured cold temp might tame it.

What's a Celsius? :rolleyes:
 

392Hemi

Professional
Looking forward to your full bed velocity vs velocity/cream side by side. Also ... velocity/cream durability. We are all cutting out to test the "next one", so we probably won't know durability until we settle on a string setup. We also don't find out how a string setup plays for the duration. I could see where velocity/cream might play marginally better (more spin) at first, but then full bed velocity wins out after a couple of weeks.

Probably get to hit ball machine tomorrow ... will test tonic/cream vs full bed ppc side by side. I'm actually hoping I DO NOT want a long term relationship with gut. Life would be simpler with full bed ppc|velocity in both racquets.

@markwillplay just gave a thumps up on initial hit with volkl syn gut ... just to muddy the waters. Lots of colors to pick from ... @Traffic could make that pretty v1 even prettier.

Well the Velocity/Cream combo at 55/50 is awesome. I played it in some singles and doubles point play in a skills clinic, some casual hitting and a doubles match. Power, spin, feel, control and most importantly comfort in one package. Cream is the first poly (though granted, a poly blend) that I can play with no twinges in my elbow. This hybrid is arguably as comfortable if not more than some full bed multis.

How does it compare side by side with full bed of Velocity? I don't know yet because I've had no reason or desire to put down the hybrid. But eventually I will try them out together - that's another post for another day.

What I really want to do is to fork over my money for a currently back-ordered ProKennex Q+5 Pro and string it up with this hybrid. Loved the PK demo with a Wilson multi so I predict even more of everything I like in the racquet and these strings.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Well the Velocity/Cream combo at 55/50 is awesome. I played it in some singles and doubles point play in a skills clinic, some casual hitting and a doubles match. Power, spin, feel, control and most importantly comfort in one package. Cream is the first poly (though granted, a poly blend) that I can play with no twinges in my elbow. This hybrid is arguably as comfortable if not more than some full bed multis.

How does it compare side by side with full bed of Velocity? I don't know yet because I've had no reason or desire to put down the hybrid. But eventually I will try them out together - that's another post for another day.

What I really want to do is to fork over my money for a currently back-ordered ProKennex Q+5 Pro and string it up with this hybrid. Loved the PK demo with a Wilson multi so I predict even more of everything I like in the racquet and these strings.

Oh come on ... 5 minutes with "other". :cool:

Glad you found a good setup. Update how it holds up ... notching. I just checked notching on ppc @6 hours and tonic/cream @6 hours. A couple bad ppc notches, and virtually none on tonic/cream. Maybe cream will be easy on velocity also.

I have ordered one set of velocity. Will put in full bed first, and go from there.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Velocity now on sale at TW.

Get it for $7.46 a set when multiple sets are ordered.
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Head_Velocity_MLT_17_String/descpageACHEAD-VMLT17.html

Yeah ... saw that. Same for 4 sets of 16g. I went the free 2 day A-Prime shipping for one set test. If I hit it, and like it ... will turn around and order 4 sets from TW, including more Cream.

How long do you think 392's velocity/cream will last? Could it last longer than full bed velocity? Most comments I have heard is full multi lasts longer than multi/poly.
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
Yeah ... saw that. Same for 4 sets of 16g. I went the free 2 day A-Prime shipping for one set test. If I hit it, and like it ... will turn around and order 4 sets from TW, including more Cream.

How long do you think 392's velocity/cream will last? Could it last longer than full bed velocity? Most comments I have heard is full multi lasts longer than multi/poly.
First I thought Cream would notch Velocity more than full bed. But if Cream is slicker than Velocity, then it may be the other way around.

Does anyone have any experience comparing Black vs Natural?

Also, on TW website, if I load up my cart with 4 Velocity, I get the sale price but the status shows pending. I might have to call them and find out how many they actually have in stock.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
First I thought Cream would notch Velocity more than full bed. But if Cream is slicker than Velocity, then it may be the other way around.

Does anyone have any experience comparing Black vs Natural?

Also, on TW website, if I load up my cart with 4 Velocity, I get the sale price but the status shows pending. I might have to call them and find out how many they actually have in stock.

@scotus says black is slicker, and makes a better cross. I am getting natural.

I heard others here day multi/poly doesn't last very long. That said, looking at my ppc notches @6 hours, hard to imagine ppc/cream would have notched quicker.
 

392Hemi

Professional
First I thought Cream would notch Velocity more than full bed. But if Cream is slicker than Velocity, then it may be the other way around.

Does anyone have any experience comparing Black vs Natural?

Also, on TW website, if I load up my cart with 4 Velocity, I get the sale price but the status shows pending. I might have to call them and find out how many they actually have in stock.

I bought both natural and black Velocity. As far as I can tell so far the black is darker, but that's because I've only played the natural :D

As for notching, I've got about 5 hours on the hybrid and probably twice that on the full bed. Both are negligible notching.
 

KluddKalle

Semi-Pro
So I finally got around to test Velocity (16 natural) this weekend. A wonderful session on clay in the evening sun, and I played the best tennis I have in a long while (went down 0-4, started playing much better and took the set to a tie break. And won). Velocity definitely had a part in that!

The lower power and increased spin compared to my regular setup gave me confidence, a lot of it. And when I was down two breaks, mostly because of my own mistakes and a generally hesitant way of playing, I needed to step up and start really hitting the ball and go for my shots. Velocity did help with that. My hitting partner confirmed for me that besides the first four games I played with a lot of depth and spin, more than usual. He said he had a hard time countering my game today.

My first impression during the warm up actually was "that's it, I'm switching to this immediately!". It played very poly-like. Not as a poly but much more so than anything else I've tried.

Now after the session I'm considering ordering a reel, but I'll have to try it some more since I can't judge the durability yet. The strings started to move at the end of the session, but not much. Origin stays in place much longer.

I usually play with origin 16 at 23-25kg depending on surface and form. I use a couple of 2014 Pure Strike 16x19 and a couple of older Pure Storm GT. I gave up on polys about a year ago, my wrist can't take the abuse anymore. I also demoed a new Pure Strike 100 tonight that had RPM team in it, and my wrist is sore now because of that. Wonderful racquet though. :)

Cant wait to get out there again and test it out some more.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
So I finally got around to test Velocity (16 natural) this weekend. A wonderful session on clay in the evening sun, and I played the best tennis I have in a long while (went down 0-4, started playing much better and took the set to a tie break. And won). Velocity definitely had a part in that!

The lower power and increased spin compared to my regular setup gave me confidence, a lot of it. And when I was down two breaks, mostly because of my own mistakes and a generally hesitant way of playing, I needed to step up and start really hitting the ball and go for my shots. Velocity did help with that. My hitting partner confirmed for me that besides the first four games I played with a lot of depth and spin, more than usual. He said he had a hard time countering my game today.

My first impression during the warm up actually was "that's it, I'm switching to this immediately!". It played very poly-like. Not as a poly but much more so than anything else I've tried.

Now after the session I'm considering ordering a reel, but I'll have to try it some more since I can't judge the durability yet. The strings started to move at the end of the session, but not much. Origin stays in place much longer.

I usually play with origin 16 at 23-25kg depending on surface and form. I use a couple of 2014 Pure Strike 16x19 and a couple of older Pure Storm GT. I gave up on polys about a year ago, my wrist can't take the abuse anymore. I also demoed a new Pure Strike 100 tonight that had RPM team in it, and my wrist is sore now because of that. Wonderful racquet though. :)

Cant wait to get out there again and test it out some more.

"The lower power and increased spin compared to my regular setup"

Excellent ... exactly what I wanted to hear. Judging by the tw review, I doubt many strings match origin on tension maintenance.

"Straightening strings" made me think of something. I intended to string the first set full bed, but I could use my last half set of cream as a cross. I'm guessing that would keep strings straight. It worries me a bit to hit the ball machine with any poly ... but it would be a great side by side test with tonic/cream.

Thx for input. I will get velocity in a couple of days, and replace the ppc. Will post impressions.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Yeah ... saw that. Same for 4 sets of 16g. I went the free 2 day A-Prime shipping for one set test. If I hit it, and like it ... will turn around and order 4 sets from TW, including more Cream.

How long do you think 392's velocity/cream will last? Could it last longer than full bed velocity? Most comments I have heard is full multi lasts longer than multi/poly.

I string for myself, and I usually cut out all polys after 2 hitting sessions. My closet is well stocked with various strings, so I have no problem there.

Cream in the cross would last a lot longer than Velocity in the main, so it would all depend on how long it takes for 392 to snap the Velocity. As for myself, I would cut that out after 2 sessions, unless I decide to keep it in the bag as a backup.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I string for myself, and I usually cut out all polys after 2 hitting sessions. My closet is well stocked with various strings, so I have no problem there.

Cream in the cross would last a lot longer than Velocity in the main, so it would all depend on how long it takes for 392 to snap the Velocity. As for myself, I would cut that out after 2 sessions, unless I decide to keep it in the bag as a backup.

2 sessions ... my elbow gets it. Yeah ... one month of cream cross ball machine sessions might break the elbow again.

Cream is poly niccoret. :rolleyes:
 

Muppet

Legend
Loving ZX 1.27 natural (3.5" pre-stretch)/Velocity 1.30 natural @57/54 in my signature racquet. Feels very comfortable and crisp w/o the springiness of a full multi. I'll have to become more accustomed to this setup before I can get better spin.

On another front, I had Red Devil 1.19 @51 in my other MuscleWeave. The ground strokes against the wall had an unreal, full-bodied, and comfortable feel. On serves, there was definitely more bite than the ZX/Vel setup. Both were comfortable against the wall, with the edge going to RD for consistent hitting. Tallying the pluses and minuses, the difference between the two was that ZX/Vel was more comfortable on serve and RD had better bite on serve.
 
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392Hemi

Professional
I string for myself, and I usually cut out all polys after 2 hitting sessions. My closet is well stocked with various strings, so I have no problem there.

Cream in the cross would last a lot longer than Velocity in the main, so it would all depend on how long it takes for 392 to snap the Velocity. As for myself, I would cut that out after 2 sessions, unless I decide to keep it in the bag as a backup.

I don't break strings :( so it will last until I have an urge to try something else or I feel it has played past its prime
 

Holliman

Rookie
So I finally got around to test Velocity (16 natural) this weekend. A wonderful session on clay in the evening sun, and I played the best tennis I have in a long while (went down 0-4, started playing much better and took the set to a tie break. And won). Velocity definitely had a part in that!

The lower power and increased spin compared to my regular setup gave me confidence, a lot of it. And when I was down two breaks, mostly because of my own mistakes and a generally hesitant way of playing, I needed to step up and start really hitting the ball and go for my shots. Velocity did help with that. My hitting partner confirmed for me that besides the first four games I played with a lot of depth and spin, more than usual. He said he had a hard time countering my game today.

My first impression during the warm up actually was "that's it, I'm switching to this immediately!". It played very poly-like. Not as a poly but much more so than anything else I've tried.

Now after the session I'm considering ordering a reel, but I'll have to try it some more since I can't judge the durability yet. The strings started to move at the end of the session, but not much. Origin stays in place much longer.

I usually play with origin 16 at 23-25kg depending on surface and form. I use a couple of 2014 Pure Strike 16x19 and a couple of older Pure Storm GT. I gave up on polys about a year ago, my wrist can't take the abuse anymore. I also demoed a new Pure Strike 100 tonight that had RPM team in it, and my wrist is sore now because of that. Wonderful racquet though. :)

Cant wait to get out there again and test it out some more.

Good to hear how your Velocity test went. Spray some silicone on the strings before your next hit and they'll stay straight. Spin will increase a bit also.
 

KluddKalle

Semi-Pro
Excellent ... exactly what I wanted to hear. Judging by the tw review, I doubt many strings match origin on tension maintenance.

Yeah, since switching to origin I restring a lot less frequently. I'm getting out of touch with the guys at the tennis club that does my stringing...negative side effect. :p

But since the price of Velocity is so much lower I feel that it could be worth restringing more frequently.
 

Holliman

Rookie
Strung my wife's Pure Aero with a full bed of Velocity at 55#. She loved it. I'm thinking about trying Velocity as a cross in a hybrid with Hyper G in one racquet and Wilson Syn Gut in the other.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Strung my wife's Pure Aero with a full bed of Velocity at 55#. She loved it. I'm thinking about trying Velocity as a cross in a hybrid with Hyper G in one racquet and Wilson Syn Gut in the other.

Your first three words here were:

My aching elbow

That crack poly habit is strong ... says the guy with cream in his crosses.

First set of velocity arrives tomorrow ... hopefully get to hit with it Thurs or Fri.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Your first three words here were:

My aching elbow

That crack poly habit is strong ... says the guy with cream in his crosses.

First set of velocity arrives tomorrow ... hopefully get to hit with it Thurs or Fri.

Yes, the poly habit is hard to break.

My arm has recovered to the point that I grew tired of playing with gut-multi hybrids. So last couples of days, I strung one of my sticks with gut-poly and played the kind of tennis I had not played in quite some time.

It's funny how Head Velocity gets the spin potential of 5.5, Gosen A.K. Control 7.6 from the lab. But Solinco Tour Bite 20 produced so much more spin than both multis that I would have thought its spin potential would exceed 10.0. But it only gets 5.8 in the lab.

Probably what happened was that the poly in the cross gave me a moderate increase in spin, but just enough that I could swing out with confidence and generate more racquet-head speed, which then resulted in even more spin.

Tour Bite 20 sure feels comfortable, but now I make sure that I warm up with gut-multi before transitioning to the gut-poly.

When my arm gets even better, I'm sure I would get tempted to go back to the full-poly setup.
 
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ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Yes, the poly habit is hard to break.

My arm has recovered to the point that I grew tired of playing with gut-multi hybrids. So last couples of days, I strung one of my sticks with gut-poly and played the kind of tennis I had not played in quite some time.

It's funny how Head Velocity gets the spin potential of 5.5, Gosen A.K. Control 7.6 from the lab. But Solinco Tour Bite 20 produced so much more spin than both multis that I would have thought its spin potential would exceed 10.0. But it only gets 5.8 in the lab.

Probably what happened was that the poly in the cross gave me a moderate increase in spin, but just enough that I could swing out with confidence and generate more racquet-head speed, which then resulted in even more spin.

Tour Bite 20 sure feels comfortable, but now I make sure that I warm up with gut-multi before transitioning to the gut-poly.

When my arm gets even better, I'm sure I would get tempted to go back to the full-poly setup.

If anyone should know better ... we should. At least we have our "safe racquets" on standby. I would warm up with ppc before hitting with full cream, but now the tonic/cream might actually feel softer.

That is excellent your elbow is that much better. Take it slow ... I really suspect most of us are never going to be 100%. I can even feel it a little typing this on a tablet. Probably my best TE move would be not typing about TE. :confused:
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Yes, the poly habit is hard to break.

My arm has recovered to the point that I grew tired of playing with gut-multi hybrids. So last couples of days, I strung one of my sticks with gut-poly and played the kind of tennis I had not played in quite some time.

It's funny how Head Velocity gets the spin potential of 5.5, Gosen A.K. Control 7.6 from the lab. But Solinco Tour Bite 20 produced so much more spin than both multis that I would have thought its spin potential would exceed 10.0. But it only gets 5.8 in the lab.

Probably what happened was that the poly in the cross gave me a moderate increase in spin, but just enough that I could swing out with confidence and generate more racquet-head speed, which then resulted in even more spin.

Tour Bite 20 sure feels comfortable, but now I make sure that I warm up with gut-multi before transitioning to the gut-poly.

When my arm gets even better, I'm sure I would get tempted to go back to the full-poly setup.

Did you ever hit with full bed velocity? Isn't the TW string data based on full beds? I'm thinking maybe the string to string COF and spin potential of a string tested as a full bed isn't that helpful for gut cross.

I'm new to gut/poly ... but I'm looking at smooth poly choice to be mainly a power choice and not so much spin. No doubt matching power to one's swing let's one swing out ... creating more spin. I would think I could bump the tension of tonic/gut and get similar effect.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Did you ever hit with full bed velocity? Isn't the TW string data based on full beds? I'm thinking maybe the string to string COF and spin potential of a string tested as a full bed isn't that helpful for gut cross.

I'm new to gut/poly ... but I'm looking at smooth poly choice to be mainly a power choice and not so much spin. No doubt matching power to one's swing let's one swing out ... creating more spin. I would think I could bump the tension of tonic/gut and get similar effect.

No full multi yet except I have a full bed of HDX Tour (poly multi) ready to go in one of my racquets.

When I need comfort, I always use gut in the mains. I have many many sets of gut but was into full poly for a few years, not putting the gut to use at all.

But even if I had full beds of the said strings, I seriously doubt that those multis would produce more spin than a full bed of Tour Bite 20.
 

392Hemi

Professional
Oh come on ... 5 minutes with "other". :cool:

Glad you found a good setup. Update how it holds up ... notching. I just checked notching on ppc @6 hours and tonic/cream @6 hours. A couple bad ppc notches, and virtually none on tonic/cream. Maybe cream will be easy on velocity also.

I have ordered one set of velocity. Will put in full bed first, and go from there.

Ok so last night I did some casual hitting. No games, no score, just trying to build rallies, groove strokes and hit the occasional winner. (I should do this a lot more often)

There is still no significant notching on either set. I am not needing to move strings on either set. We've found two great strings. And I have to say, I like the Velocity/Cream hybrid better than a full bed of Velocity. Identifying big differences in any aspect of the performance of the hybrid vs full is very difficult. For me, the preference is maybe feel, but for now it is more intangible and not really something I can point out. But I will continue to A/B them and try to understand why I like the hybrid better. For now, I just do.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Ok so last night I did some casual hitting. No games, no score, just trying to build rallies, groove strokes and hit the occasional winner. (I should do this a lot more often)

There is still no significant notching on either set. I am not needing to move strings on either set. We've found two great strings. And I have to say, I like the Velocity/Cream hybrid better than a full bed of Velocity. Identifying big differences in any aspect of the performance of the hybrid vs full is very difficult. For me, the preference is maybe feel, but for now it is more intangible and not really something I can point out. But I will continue to A/B them and try to understand why I like the hybrid better. For now, I just do.

"Identifying big differences in any aspect of the performance of the hybrid vs full is very difficult."

I know exactly what you mean. When you are in the same "ball park" with two setups, it becomes difficult to define the difference (and tell others). I guess maybe when we side by side, we should test one thing at a time. Assuming it passes the mandatory test of "arm friendly enough and like the feel" ... the following is my list in order of importance:

1 - control, can I hit my targets with flatish shots
2 - power level <= 55#
3 - spin

control
Without thinking of anything else, I alternate racquets and fh and bh ... and hit flatish shots for corners. Both cc and dtl ... both fh and bh (2hbh,1hbh & 1hbh slice).

That's an easy side by side test... one usually is the winner. So far for me, full bed Cream clearly won that test between full bed origin, ppc and Cream. I actually need to do this single test with tonic/cream.

power
During this no-poly-except-for-cream testing, I learned how important power level was for me. I would even put it ahead of spin. In general, it looks like full bed multi <= 55 is to powerful coming from rpm @50-52. So I need the lower powered end of multi ... ppc works. Origin @55 was maybe the best (effortless) 1hbh slice I could hit, but sailed to many drive fh and 2hbh. That's really the final side by side power test ... am I sailing my 75% flatish drives. It doesn't matter to me if the string is good for spin if I'm sailing my flatter shots.

spin
Spin is an easy side by side test when you are alternating between racquets and only thinking about spin. Origin ... low spin, ppc ... good spin, cream and tonic/cream ... excellent spin.

Final spin test for me is topspin lob. If I can make it dip down on topspin lob, ground strokes will be fine.
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
No full multi yet except I have a full bed of HDX Tour (poly multi) ready to go in one of my racquets.

When I need comfort, I always use gut in the mains. I have many many sets of gut but was into full poly for a few years, not putting the gut to use at all.

But even if I had full beds of the said strings, I seriously doubt that those multis would produce more spin than a full bed of Tour Bite 20.
In terms of spin, how does gut/poly compare to full poly?
Or how about multi/poly? (Durability aside)
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Ok so last night I did some casual hitting. No games, no score, just trying to build rallies, groove strokes and hit the occasional winner. (I should do this a lot more often)

There is still no significant notching on either set. I am not needing to move strings on either set. We've found two great strings. And I have to say, I like the Velocity/Cream hybrid better than a full bed of Velocity. Identifying big differences in any aspect of the performance of the hybrid vs full is very difficult. For me, the preference is maybe feel, but for now it is more intangible and not really something I can point out. But I will continue to A/B them and try to understand why I like the hybrid better. For now, I just do.

I notched full bed ppc pretty bad at 6-8 hours, so it has me wondering about multi/poly durability. I started a thread:

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/multi-poly-vs-full-bed-multi-durability.589536/
 

KluddKalle

Semi-Pro
I just had my second session with Velocity. Had an inconsistent day, but not due to strings or anything. More me over/underhitting with some wind and wierd bounces on the clay court.

The string held up nice again. Today the spin really stood out and helped me yet again come back from the brink of defeat (1-4 to 6-4). So far so good. Need to have a good practice/hitting session (not just matches) to really come to a definitive verdict, will do that tomorrow. But I'm leaning towards switching out my origin with this. The price point and the spin is what gives velocity it's advantage.
Oh and today the strings didn't move much at all, so no aligning then between points.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Ok so last night I did some casual hitting. No games, no score, just trying to build rallies, groove strokes and hit the occasional winner. (I should do this a lot more often)

There is still no significant notching on either set. I am not needing to move strings on either set. We've found two great strings. And I have to say, I like the Velocity/Cream hybrid better than a full bed of Velocity. Identifying big differences in any aspect of the performance of the hybrid vs full is very difficult. For me, the preference is maybe feel, but for now it is more intangible and not really something I can point out. But I will continue to A/B them and try to understand why I like the hybrid better. For now, I just do.

You will appreciate this. I want to hit with velocity so bad ... I am heading out with my broom to sweep puddles off the park court a couple of hours before ball machine session today. I could just wait until tomorrow. Right .... :confused:
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
In terms of spin, how does gut/poly compare to full poly?
Or how about multi/poly? (Durability aside)

Some gut/poly can be fairly comparable to full poly but usually you'll get more spin from full poly.

The one gut/poly combo that TWU tested to be superior to full poly in terms of spin potential did not work well for me, because the crosses moved around like crazy and the control wasn't quite there.

The gut/poly is great for those who look for a particular feel, touch, pop, comfort, etc., without sacrificing much spin. But in terms of pure spin, I'd go for full poly. There are so many newer polys out there that can generate a lot of spin.

I haven't tried any multi-poly combo, but most poly-multi combos can certainly generate more spin than full multis.

I am still testing options. Yesterday I tested Tecnifibre HDX Tour 17. It's made of multiple strands of poly and the lab numbers are fantastic, and I played great with it. The arm felt a bit sore but we shall see.
 
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