Head Velocity

Dan D

Rookie
It's a very low powered/control string. To get any pop out of it, you need to go down 3 lbs.
I didn't listen to this advice because I thought it was a personal choice and I like to "swim against the flow", if I may say so. But today I tested nat Velo @55lbs in a Blade 104 2015 (tenson interval 49-59 lbs). I played for 2 hours and I realized that less than 55 should be better. I hope that after few more hours of playing should be better because it loose more tension.

For me nat Velo play almost like Sensation but is more muted and the impact over the arm and the axel is much less. It reduce the chock in the arm quite appreciable. I must to test more to have a better result.

At the other hand I like very much to play with muted frames and strings. It suites me more than aggressive frames and powerful strings, even that I managed to play with those kind of equipment. I have AeroPro Drive 2013 and Pure Strike 2014 and I played with Solinco Hyper-G, Diadem Solstice Power, Xcel French Open, and so on. For me a powerful frame with a muted string is much better choice than powerful frame with a powerful string.

Nowadays I like muted frame with muted string much, much more. That required more from the player but I'm capable to managed this combination.
 
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Dan D

Rookie
I've tested the black Velocity yesterday. I played for 2 hours with it in one of my other Blades 104 2015 (tension interval is 49-59) @52lbs. It's played very, very well. For me, I don't notice a big difference between the nat and the black versions.

Anyway, Velocity is much armfriendly than Sensation IMO. I played quite powerful and I don't get any discomfort in my arm and shoulder.

I keep testing!
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I've tested the black Velocity yesterday. I played for 2 hours with it in one of my other Blades 104 2015 (tension interval is 49-59) @52lbs. It's played very, very well. For me, I don't notice a big difference between the nat and the black versions.

Anyway, Velocity is much armfriendly than Sensation IMO. I played quite powerful and I don't get any discomfort in my arm and shoulder.

I keep testing!
16g nat and 16g black?

Interesting on V being even more arm friendly than Sensation. I played Sensation for years, but 10+ years ago.
 

Dan D

Rookie
16g nat and 16g black?

Interesting on V being even more arm friendly than Sensation. I played Sensation for years, but 10+ years ago.
I use to play only 17G! I´ve tested NXT Ctrl on 16G and 17G at the same tension and I find that 16G was to hard to my arm and like I hit with a more rigid string, even it was the same string.

At the other hand if you want to make the equipment more armfriendly one ef the things you can do is to not play too thicker string, thicker than 0,28mm. With other words to play with max 17G. This is the common denominator I found in the advices on the net. It's not only my opinion.

I found that with Vel the pop in the string bed is more controllable and I managed to hit with more accuracy, in comparison to Sensation. Like the string give me more feeling/response. The impact to my arm was minor.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I use to play only 17G! I´ve tested NXT Ctrl on 16G and 17G at the same tension and I find that 16G was to hard to my arm and like I hit with a more rigid string, even it was the same string.

At the other hand if you want to make the equipment more armfriendly one ef the things you can do is to not play too thicker string, thicker than 0,28mm. With other words to play with max 17G. This is the common denominator I found in the advices on the net. It's not only my opinion.

I found that with Vel the pop in the string bed is more controllable and I managed to hit with more accuracy, in comparison to Sensation. Like the string give me more feeling/response. The impact to my arm was minor.
So ... uh ... your black vs nat V test was both 17g?

btw ... I don't buy 17g is always more arm friendly than 16g. I haven't hit a lot of 17g string, but 17g RPM Blast did not feel better than 16g, and black v 17g felt significantly stiffer than 16g natural ... both @52lbs. I think it might vary per string ... probably good to test 16 vs 17 before long term relationship. 8-B
 

Dan D

Rookie
So ... uh ... your black vs nat V test was both 17g?

btw ... I don't buy 17g is always more arm friendly than 16g. I haven't hit a lot of 17g string, but 17g RPM Blast did not feel better than 16g, and black v 17g felt significantly stiffer than 16g natural ... both @52lbs. I think it might vary per string ... probably good to test 16 vs 17 before long term relationship. 8-B
From another thread on TT:

"The authors of From Breakpoint To Advantage: An Optimal Guide To Tennis Health And Performance, published by the USRSA, support this view:

"The advantage of a thicker string is its durability. Thicker strings will last longer and will not break as quickly as a thinner string. However, thinner strings can be more elastic and consequently absorb more shock. Therefore, thinner strings are typically more comfortable to play with and take more pressure off the player's arm.
"

This is one of the inputs I have for now. It’s not only my opinion.

I’ve played for 4 years only with 16G but for two years ago I’ve started to play with 17G and instantly I felt like I played much better. Nowadays I’ve hit only with 17G and for me it’s a big difference between 17G and 16G. IMO 17G is more comfortable no matter what string I use (I’ve not tested so many strings in both 16 and 17 but my impression was the same all the time: 17 was better).

Don’t get me wrong: I manage to play well even with 16G. I don’t have any probs with that. But I improve my play a lot if I hit with 17G!!!
 
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golden chicken

Professional
17 NXT at the same reference tension as 16 NXT felt stiffer to me, and I can also feel the swingweight difference between one matched racket strung with 17 vs the other strung with 16. Whatever that's worth.
 

Dan D

Rookie
17 NXT at the same reference tension as 16 NXT felt stiffer to me, and I can also feel the swingweight difference between one matched racket strung with 17 vs the other strung with 16. Whatever that's worth.
I didn't meant that my tests was perfect. I don't have time and energy to make comprehensive tests. But my limited (in a way) experience is that 17G fit me and my game better than 16G.

I don't mean anything but it's well known that a thinner string should be strung to a lower tension than an thicker one to get the same feeling. I.e. 17G to a 90% of tension of 16G.
 
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Dan D

Rookie
17 NXT at the same reference tension as 16 NXT felt stiffer to me, and I can also feel the swingweight difference between one matched racket strung with 17 vs the other strung with 16. Whatever that's worth.
What I meant was that you have right: different thicknesses provide different feelings when you have the same string, same tension and same frame!
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
I recently strung up NXT17/Velocity17 (52/51 with pre-stretch) in a Prince Beast O3 100 for a friend. I play with the same racquet with Legend17/Cream17 (57/53 with pre-stretch).

I really enjoyed how the NXT/V felt. Felt more comfortable than my setup, possibly a bit more access to spin, power was similar. His racquet is bone stock. Mine is weighted to 11.5oz. So there is slight variance in the racquet. But I can see recommending this setup for anyone with elbow issues that is still looking for access to spin. I didn't play much net and I can't serve at the moment. But for ground strokes, it's definitely nice.
 

FedGR

Semi-Pro
I am probably not adding anything new to the discussion but my father ended up using Velocity on his 2015 Blade and he loves it. After a long hiatus from tennis (15 years) he got addicted again and plays 5-6 hours every week. He says it gives him lots of good hours, nice extra power and comfort. (y)(y)
 

Dan D

Rookie
I am probably not adding anything new to the discussion but my father ended up using Velocity on his 2015 Blade and he loves it. After a long hiatus from tennis (15 years) he got addicted again and plays 5-6 hours every week. He says it gives him lots of good hours, nice extra power and comfort. (y)(y)
It's about the same situation for me: 2015 Blade 104 and Velocity! Very good combination!
 

Jouke

Semi-Pro
I am probably not adding anything new to the discussion but my father ended up using Velocity on his 2015 Blade and he loves it. After a long hiatus from tennis (15 years) he got addicted again and plays 5-6 hours every week. He says it gives him lots of good hours, nice extra power and comfort. (y)(y)
Full bed of Velocity?
I am having a little wrist pain so i changed strings to velocity mains and poly tour pro crosses. Very very good! Maybe i will try full bed next.
 

2nd Serve Ace

Hall of Fame
Full bed of Velocity?
I am having a little wrist pain so i changed strings to velocity mains and poly tour pro crosses. Very very good! Maybe i will try full bed next.
Think full bed V wouldnt have the snapback as a poly X and therefore might not feel as good with the wrist.
 

t_pac

Rookie
Full bed of Velocity?
I am having a little wrist pain so i changed strings to velocity mains and poly tour pro crosses. Very very good! Maybe i will try full bed next.
For me there's not a great deal of difference in comfort between a hybrid with soft poly cross and full bed - the hybrid plays better though.
 

FedGR

Semi-Pro
It's about the same situation for me: 2015 Blade 104 and Velocity! Very good combination!
I haven't tried it on my 2015 Blade 98 because I am addicted to poly but it seems like it would play well. I've played it on a CV Blade and I really liked it but didn't love the racquet.

Full bed of Velocity?
I am having a little wrist pain so i changed strings to velocity mains and poly tour pro crosses. Very very good! Maybe i will try full bed next.
Yeap full bed. What racket do you use? I use full bed poly tour pro without any issues at the moment. Maybe I'll combine it with Velocity and see how they do together!
 

Dan D

Rookie
I haven't tried it on my 2015 Blade 98 because I am addicted to poly but it seems like it would play well. I've played it on a CV Blade and I really liked it but didn't love the racquet.

Yeap full bed. What racket do you use? I use full bed poly tour pro without any issues at the moment. Maybe I'll combine it with Velocity and see how they do together!
I don't know why but I can play very well with all my racquets: 2015 Wilson Blade 104, 2014 Babolat Pure Strike 98, 2014 Babolat Pure Strike 100 and 2013 Babolat AeroPro Drive and with quite a lot of different strings. But the most armfriendly combination I have is 2015 Wilson Blade 104 with Velocity!

I like a lot the muted feeling in the Blade and in the Velocity, but when I put them together I must to have lower tension than I use to do. I go down to 52-50 lbs from 60-55 lbs (who I had in my previous setups). In this way I can play almost with the same result but my arm feels better.

The only "downside" who I found (IMO) is that the combination have less power than with poly (who is not really a downside in my eyes). I only need to improve more my game and to workout more than before, ha ha. The principal benefit of this combination is that you have more control than before, and this is very important IMO!

The combination is very defensive but, with right technique and power, you can put a lot of pressure on your opponent.
 

megamind

Hall of Fame
I have dedicated my signature to this string:

"Head Velocity is the most overrated string on TalkTennis and the most underrated string outside of TalkTennis"
 

smg

New User
I've been lurking here for a while, but this is my first post. I'm at a bit lower level than many here (high 3.0/low 3.5), but the posts here have helped me and I figured I'd share my experience if it can help others.

I'm 46 and have been playing tennis for about 2 years, but have been an athlete all my life in many different sports. I started with a Wilson HyperHammer 5.3 with PSGD, moved to Monogut ZX Pro for a while and eventually landed on RPM Blast Rough which I loved. I mostly play an all court style with a fair amount of spin. I recently decided to upgrade my racket and after various demos was very happy with the Clash 100 which I've weighted up to 360g. After suffering an elbow injury (a hyperextension not from tennis) I started to have some additional pain with my preferred setup. I tried a few different strings, Spiky Black Shark (good performance but harsh on the arm), Cyclone Tour (never felt right to me), NXT (good but not great), ZX Pro/PSGD (didn't feel right and couldn't control it). I haven't been playing long enough to really accurately describe how different strings react, but I definitely know when it feels right to me and when it doesn't.

Based on this thread, I strung up Velocity (16M/17X) at 52 pounds on Saturday night and played a doubles match yesterday. It was perfect from warmups. Great feel, no elbow pain, great spin (equal or better than RPM Blast Rough) and the right balance of power and control. I could take big full cuts and know it was going in. I played my best tennis in months.

The NXT in my second racket is about to break and instead of more experimenting, it's going to get this Velocity combo. I've got a box full of strings to try out that I bought on Black Friday sales, but I can't see changing anything if it continues to play like it did yesterday. I'll use those strings in other peoples rackets and stick with Velocity for my own.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I've been lurking here for a while, but this is my first post. I'm at a bit lower level than many here (high 3.0/low 3.5), but the posts here have helped me and I figured I'd share my experience if it can help others.

I'm 46 and have been playing tennis for about 2 years, but have been an athlete all my life in many different sports. I started with a Wilson HyperHammer 5.3 with PSGD, moved to Monogut ZX Pro for a while and eventually landed on RPM Blast Rough which I loved. I mostly play an all court style with a fair amount of spin. I recently decided to upgrade my racket and after various demos was very happy with the Clash 100 which I've weighted up to 360g. After suffering an elbow injury (a hyperextension not from tennis) I started to have some additional pain with my preferred setup. I tried a few different strings, Spiky Black Shark (good performance but harsh on the arm), Cyclone Tour (never felt right to me), NXT (good but not great), ZX Pro/PSGD (didn't feel right and couldn't control it). I haven't been playing long enough to really accurately describe how different strings react, but I definitely know when it feels right to me and when it doesn't.

Based on this thread, I strung up Velocity (16M/17X) at 52 pounds on Saturday night and played a doubles match yesterday. It was perfect from warmups. Great feel, no elbow pain, great spin (equal or better than RPM Blast Rough) and the right balance of power and control. I could take big full cuts and know it was going in. I played my best tennis in months.

The NXT in my second racket is about to break and instead of more experimenting, it's going to get this Velocity combo. I've got a box full of strings to try out that I bought on Black Friday sales, but I can't see changing anything if it continues to play like it did yesterday. I'll use those strings in other peoples rackets and stick with Velocity for my own.
Your 1st ttw post in The Book of V ... we the cult members are honored. Welcome V grasshopper. 8-B (y)
 

smg

New User
Yikes, maybe I should have stayed in the shadows :)

I picked up a reel of 17 natural for cheap on the auction site and had a pack of 16 natural already. I like to be able to tell my rackets apart easily, so I'll probably go blue mains for one and pink for the other moving forward. I wish they made it in orange, it would look nice in the Clash.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Yikes, maybe I should have stayed in the shadows :)

I picked up a reel of 17 natural for cheap on the auction site and had a pack of 16 natural already. I like to be able to tell my rackets apart easily, so I'll probably go blue mains for one and pink for the other moving forward. I wish they made it in orange, it would look nice in the Clash.
I realize I might have relegated many to permanent lurker status ... but many here come for the cheap arm friendly string that stays in the court ... but stay for the pain (mental ... not elbow). Maybe the lurkers will pm you and see if "coming out" was a good move. Thread has lost some momentum ... just like me 8-B ... I keep waiting for next generation of leadership.
 

esm

Professional
strung up blk V 16 on V4 Blade 98 18x20 last week (didnt get a chance to have a session last week). will try to have a session this evening to see how it plays.
strung at 52/52, so keen to see.

maybe should have tried 17, but only had 16 at hand at the time.... will see how that goes on a 18x20
 

Dan D

Rookie
strung up blk V 16 on V4 Blade 98 18x20 last week (didnt get a chance to have a session last week). will try to have a session this evening to see how it plays.
strung at 52/52, so keen to see.

maybe should have tried 17, but only had 16 at hand at the time.... will see how that goes on a 18x20
I´m very keen to know how it works because I recently buy an used Pure Strike 100 16x19 and want to restrung it.
 
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esm

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I really like yellow Velocity 16 in my 18x20 v7 Blade. Haven’t tried the other colors.
just checked, didnt know it comes in other exciting colours.... lol
can i ask what tension you had on your v7 18x20? how did it play, in terms of softness/pliability against other multis you have tried on your v7?
 

WillGinRVA

New User
just checked, didnt know it comes in other exciting colours.... lol
can i ask what tension you had on your v7 18x20? how did it play, in terms of softness/pliability against other multis you have tried on your v7?
I strung it at 56lbs with my drop weight. I haven’t tried a ton of other multis in my Blade, but I get the sense it’s less powerful than NXT. I seem to get similar spin to Cyclone somehow lol. I have an eastern forehand with some windshield wiping motion btw.
 
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esm

Professional
I´m very keen to know how it works because I recently buy an used Pure Strike 100 18x20 and want to restrung it.
Had a session this evening. Although it felt nice and plush, but many times the ball goes long. I am pretty sure it was down to me as I wasn’t having a good session (excuses, excuses I know).
I think maybe I need to up the tension a bit on the Blade. Probably 54/54. I think I have another set of blk V 16. I may just do that on another Blade and see if the higher tension would be better at the next session.
All in all I quite liked how the string felt when I get it right, so I’d keen to find a right tension range for me and get a reel next time.
don’t know......
 

esm

Professional
I´m very keen to know how it works because I recently buy an used Pure Strike 100 16x19 and want to restrung it.
so here is an update.
I had a set of velocity blk 16 so strung up in no.3 a couple of days ago at 55/55.
had a session this evening (about 2.5hours).
took about 5 mins to adjust and then it was all pretty much alright. Had a few sets of friendly doubles. A couple were against decent hard(er ) hitters and were intense sets. enjoyed it and just say this new setup handled much better than the 52/52 setup..... imo.

I should have another session mid week, will keep going with this setup to make sure it is actually what it is.

If so, I think I am done searching for the decent setup for me (for now) and will pull the trigger in a reel of velocity blk 16 - the real question will be how long I can keep using it.... lol

(On a side note - this really reminds me of the Angell Halo 3 (1.30mm) string. I used to play with it on my Angell racquets up until recently with great results. It was a very nice string and comfortable too.... I think I have one set of Halo 3 left. I’d be tempted to string one of them up at 55/55 and see how it plays. It has a nice nice colour too:laughing: - suppose it is a down side when I can string whenever I want/can.... lol)
 
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Dan D

Rookie
I had a set of velocity blk 16 so strung up in no.3 a couple of days ago at 55/55.

enjoyed it and just say this new setup handled much better than the 52/52 setup..... imo.
For me is the same: despite the common opinion I think Velocity should play better in my 2015 Blades 104 at higher tension then the lower half of the frames interval (who is the common recommendation)! I tested with 55/55 and 52/52 (my frames have 49-59 recommended) and the 55/55 frame play better. I want to test next time 58/58!
 
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esm

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For me is the same: despite the common opinion I think Velocity should play better in my 2015 Blades 104 at higher tension then the lower half of the frames interval (who is the common recommendation)! I tested with 55/55 and 52/52 (my frames have 49-59 recommended) and the 55/55 frame play better. I want to test next time 58/58!
Pls do let me know re: 58/58.
I must say I enjoyed the 55/55 on the 2013 Blade 98 18x20
 
So, I have a set of natural Velocity 16G that I want to try. What tension would you guys recommend?

FYI I'm used to playing FB Alu @ ~52 lbs on a 95 sq inch 18x20 frame (62 RA)
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
So, I have a set of natural Velocity 16G that I want to try. What tension would you guys recommend?

FYI I'm used to playing FB Alu @ ~52 lbs on a 95 sq inch 18x20 frame (62 RA)
First off I'd say 16g is a bit thick for that frame. It be hard to get rid of the board like feeling. Personally I'd run the Velocity at 50 in that setting to get a bit of give.
 

Znak

Professional
Woah this thread is still going! I need a refresher can anyone recommend good hybrid setups, need to string one up for a friend.

I recall Velocity/Cream being an option, any other happy encounters?
 

AJvR

Rookie
I strung a Head 16 x 19 100 sq. in. frame for a friend of mine with a full bed Velocity 1.30 mm @ 25/25 kilo, he likes it, especially because the strings don't move much. He can't use poly and I wonder what alternatives there are for a multi that have similar, very low, string movement so that he has some options to choose from. Any suggestions?
 

smg

New User
I think this forum melts your brain a little, at least it does for me. I found a perfectly good setup that felt good, that I enjoyed and that I was playing well with in V16/V17 @52lbs. But the thought that something might be better (and the box full of strings I bought in the BF sales) has led me to try various other things:
* OGSM fb @55: felt nice, a bit crisper than V, but more power+less spin meant everything was 2 feet long. Cut out after 4 hours
* V17/Focus Hex Soft @52/46: felt really good while hitting, a little better spin than fb V. The next day my elbow was a disaster. Why did I even try poly crosses? Cut out after 1.5 hours
* ZX Pro/V17 @58/52: First hour or two was good, but then the feel just wasn't right and didn't get as much spin as fb V. Will be cutting out after 8 hours

Last thing I'm going to try is Origin/V17 @55/52. If it's like any of the other ideas I've had, it won't be as good as fb V and I will consider my lesson learned and just stick with what works. For now:)
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
Do you think Velocity will generate as much spin as the hybird Vs Touch/ Cream?
I play with Klip Legend and string both Legend/Velocity and Legend/Cream.
Gut/V is lower powered than Gut/C.
Being lower powered, you are safe to take a slightly bigger swing. Taking a bigger swing usually generates more racquet head speed and given a decent enough technique will in turn generate more spin.
Having said that, I find I get more spin from Gut/C than Gut/V.

So for lower leveled players, I would recommend Gut/V for the added comfort and control. As you improve your technique of if your technique is already pretty good (my son plays at high 4.5 level) the Gut/Poly is going to be the better choice.

One downside of Gut/V vs Gut/C is that V wears out faster. My sister (high 3.5) brings her racquet to me in a month saying her strings are dead. I tell her that the gut looks brand new. She says it plays dead. I re-string and she loves it. V wears down and loses its teeth. She doesn't use a lot of power. But she does use spin. And she can feel the lose of "something" and needs to re-string. She is trying Gut/C now. So far she likes it. We'll see how long it lasts.
 

myth

New User
I play with Klip Legend and string both Legend/Velocity and Legend/Cream.
Gut/V is lower powered than Gut/C.
Being lower powered, you are safe to take a slightly bigger swing. Taking a bigger swing usually generates more racquet head speed and given a decent enough technique will in turn generate more spin.
Having said that, I find I get more spin from Gut/C than Gut/V.

So for lower leveled players, I would recommend Gut/V for the added comfort and control. As you improve your technique of if your technique is already pretty good (my son plays at high 4.5 level) the Gut/Poly is going to be the better choice.

One downside of Gut/V vs Gut/C is that V wears out faster. My sister (high 3.5) brings her racquet to me in a month saying her strings are dead. I tell her that the gut looks brand new. She says it plays dead. I re-string and she loves it. V wears down and loses its teeth. She doesn't use a lot of power. But she does use spin. And she can feel the lose of "something" and needs to re-string. She is trying Gut/C now. So far she likes it. We'll see how long it lasts.
Thanks for your answer
I am going to try a full bed of Velocity first.
At the moment i am really enjoying Gut/C (Vs touch 16 and C 16).
Do you think C 17 would work out even better?
 

esgee48

Legend
She is trying Gut/C now. So far she likes it. We'll see how long it lasts.
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If she does not like Cream, then there is always Ashaway Zyex 16. When pre-stretched, it maintains tension quite well and it will remain slippery thru out the life of the gut. Its stiffness is in the same neighborhood as V, but a little softer.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
I play with Klip Legend and string both Legend/Velocity and Legend/Cream.
Man I've become a Traffic convert.
I'm pretty much stringing either Legend/Velocity or Legend/Cream in my racquets these days.
Prefer the L/C in my 16x19 or 16x18 frames and the L/V in my 18x20 frames. Why, largely because L/V doesn't last too long in the more open frames but lasts much longer in the 18x20's. Plus I'm using the 18x20's for doubles and playing a control/touch game more. L/V gives me better feel.
L/C is my baselining choice because of slightly better spin.
 
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