Head Velocity

[speedysteve]

Played first competitive League matches with Velocity mains and Prince Premier Touch crosses.
Strung in a 2019 Völkl C10 Pro
It was damp and rained at one point. Clay court tennis!
Gut racquet stayed firmly in its wrapper in bag.
I'm really liking Velocity / PPT and so is my arm - the day after!
From play point of view I didn't miss Nat Gut hybrid at all!
Could it wean me off gut all together - maybe!

 

[markwillplay]

Did me

 

[Deleted member 768841]

Got a few packs to try in a hybrid. What would be a good poly cross for a blade 16/19?

 

[Deleted member 768841]

I decided not to hybrid and just go full bed, and it is so good! I have it in my 16/19 v7, and the pop and comfort is sweet! Need to take it to a real court and test it out, but I may just get rid of my polys, who knows.

 

[TennisandRamen]

I decided not to hybrid and just go full bed, and it is so good! I have it in my 16/19 v7, and the pop and comfort is sweet! Need to take it to a real court and test it out, but I may just get rid of my polys, who knows.

When my current strings are finished I was going to try out Velocity Mains with Revolve crosses in my PS97. What tension did you string your blade?

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[Deleted member 768841]

When my current strings are finished I was going to try out Velocity Mains with Revolve crosses in my PS97. What tension did you string your blade?

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I need to try a hybrid, but I am thinking I may stick with full bed for more power and comfort.

 

[tennisintheeighties]

Triax or Velocity ? For spin / confort?
I tried the Control RIP and had zero sensation.

 

[Villain]

Triax or Velocity ? For spin / confort?
I tried the Control RIP and had zero sensation.

For me Triax has better spin, playability duration, and durability while Velocity has a softer feel, more power, and more comfort.

 

[Deleted member 775108]

For me Triax has better spin, playability duration, and durability while Velocity has a softer feel, more power, and more comfort.

I agree and would like to add the following.

Triax - Feels Stiffer, Doesn't Move around

Velocity - Feels Softer, Moves around a little more. Maybe a little more power... But not a huge difference when I hit flat vs flat.

Phantom 100 @ 54 lbs. I have 1 racket with each string strung at the same time... So it's a valid direct comparison. Havent played long enough to break either string

 

[Deleted member 775108]

doublepost

 

[Deleted member 768000]

61 Pages but the most important question that has ever been asked in this forum, maybe ever on any forum, has not been answered to me yet: how does the pink velocity play?

 

[tennisintheeighties]

Velocity 1.30 on the main and Yonex Poly Tour Air 1.25 (Crosses) : Who already tried that ?
Thanks

 

[g4driver]

Velocity 1.30 on the main and Yonex Poly Tour Air 1.25 (Crosses) : Who already tried that?
Thanks

It's pretty powerful for those use to poly or gut poly. I wrote about that setup early this year somewhere. String that Velocity higher to control it's power. I strung it at 57M/55X, which is way too low considering I string VCT at 56M/54X, and it had too much power for me in a 12 oz / 342 gram Pure Aero+. If I tried it again in my frames it would be strung at 60M/58X on an Alpha Ghost.

I can't imagine anything thinking Velocity is low powered. It is more powerful than Triax, HDMX, HDX Tour, X1 to me.

 

[smg]

61 Pages but the most important question that has ever been asked in this forum, maybe ever on any forum, has not been answered to me yet: how does the pink velocity play?

I've played quite a bit with all the colors and strung them for several others as well. In my opinion, they break down into two groups, the translucent and the opaque. The pink, yellow and natural are translucent and all play basically the same. The blue and black are opaque and play basically the same. Hope that helps.

 

[golden chicken]

II can't imagine anything thinking Velocity is low powered. It is more powerful than Triax, HDMX, HDX Tour, X1 to me.

I think it's significantly lower powered than NXT. Like, have to string 10-15% lower to get closer.

 

[g4driver]

I think it's significantly lower powered than NXT. Like, have to string 10-15% lower to get closer.

I string more Velocity 1.30mm than any other string for clients. It's cheap and works great as a cross with Tecnifibre Multifeel mains for beginners and 3.0 players, or as a slick multi cross with Isospeed Cream 1.28mm mains for 3.5 Men and 4.0 Women who aren't string breakers. I have reels of 1.30mm NXT and 1.30mm X1for clients. It's been a while since I have hit with X1, but I used it for 4 years in a hybrid until it just broke too quickly and went to $299 a reel MSRP. I bailed when it hit $250 MSRP and I never paid MSRP. And it's been 10+ years since I hit with NXT, so didn't mention it when I compared Velocity to Triax, HDMX, HDX Tour (all three of those Tecnifibre string have poly DNA, like NXT Control).

Multifilament + Polyester fused together = Multiyesters, which are in effect lowered powered, more durable multifilaments.

 

[FIRETennis]

Just finished a 2h hitting session with the Blade 98 v7 16x19 strung with Velocity 1.25 mains @50 / Tourna Black Zone 1.25 @48 side by side with VS17/ALU Power and I have to say I kept coming back to the Velocity/BHBZ stick.
Lots of spin and great comfort. I've tried every combo with this string and so far my favorite is Velocity main / slick poly cross.
Velocity in full bed notched, full of ball fuzz and locked up in about 15'. After that it played "boardy" and terrible to hit with. ALU mains / Velocity crosses worked well but after 30' of good hitting, the crosses were full of ball fuzz, clay and the mains weren't snapping back. The first 30' were really nice though but went down hill after. VS mains / Velocity crosses just didn't work at all as almost immediately the gut mains got stuck against the Velocity crosses and all spin went bye bye.
I expected a similar result from the Velocity mains / poly cross but to my surprise it plays really nice and stable. The only negative I can see so far is that in 1h the mains are notched about 30-40%. I don't think these will last more than 3h but a very nice experience so far.

 

[golden chicken]

Multifilament + Polyester fused together = Multiyesters, [/CO

Finally had a chance to watch this video.

They are using a polyurethane sheath to contain polyamide and polyester fibers. Isn't one of the downfalls of multifilament strings that the sheath (made of polyurethane) wears through quickly and locks up the stringbed? And isn't there more string to string friction with polyurethane, generally, compared to polyester?

So wouldn't you theoretically want a multifilament core with a polyester sheath? Is that possible?

 

[tennisintheeighties]

Just finished a 2h hitting session with the Blade 98 v7 16x19 strung with Velocity 1.25 mains @50 / Tourna Black Zone 1.25 @48 side by side with VS17/ALU Power and I have to say I kept coming back to the Velocity/BHBZ stick.
Lots of spin and great comfort. I've tried every combo with this string and so far my favorite is Velocity main / slick poly cross.
Velocity in full bed notched, full of ball fuzz and locked up in about 15'. After that it played "boardy" and terrible to hit with. ALU mains / Velocity crosses worked well but after 30' of good hitting, the crosses were full of ball fuzz, clay and the mains weren't snapping back. The first 30' were really nice though but went down hill after. VS mains / Velocity crosses just didn't work at all as almost immediately the gut mains got stuck against the Velocity crosses and all spin went bye bye.
I expected a similar result from the Velocity mains / poly cross but to my surprise it plays really nice and stable. The only negative I can see so far is that in 1h the mains are notched about 30-40%. I don't think these will last more than 3h but a very nice experience so far.

Very interesting. The velocity is really good on main with a copoly on crosses.
But unfortunately if i put the BHBZ on my clash, whatever, could be cross or main, i love this string, but a bit stiff for my poor elbow.
Maybe in a few month. Definitely need to try this hybrid.
Thank you!

 

[FIRETennis]

Very interesting. The velocity is really good on main with a copoly on crosses.
But unfortunately if i put the BHBZ on my clash, whatever, could be cross or main, i love this string, but a bit stiff for my poor elbow.
Maybe in a few month. Definitely need to try this hybrid.
Thank you!

I found the key with multi and gut mains is to really have a slick cross. I wish full bed Velocity would work for me but it was unusable sadly more than a few hits until it was completely locked. I would try full bed natural gut but I'm afraid it will be the same result and it will cost me $40+ to confirm.
Softer options instead of BHBZ 1.25 cross would be Yonex Poly Tour Air, Isospeed Cream or Luxilon Element. Numbers wise it's not gonna get softer than those unless you are going down to 1.20 and below gauges in which case you are sacrificing the main's durability (maybe 1-3h max if hitting at the 5.0 level). Feeling wise, you could probably try Cyclone Tour in the crosses but again at the cost of durability. I think it's worth a shot trying those crosses. I play mostly with gut/poly but sometimes with full poly at low tensions (40lbs) and I gotta say this Velocity mains/poly cross is pretty darn good (at least in the 1h honeymoon phase).

 

[junbun]

Depending on how you filter/ use the search in the TWU string database velocity's stretch measurements are either
N/A or
@40: 1.8%
@51: 8.5%
@62: 6.4%

or
@40: 2.1
@51: 5.8
@62: 8.5

I've seen it one time
@40 : 2.X
@51 : 4.5
@60: 4.5

How the hell does that happen ??? Are there any other strings that do this ?

 

[blai212]

Just finished a 2h hitting session with the Blade 98 v7 16x19 strung with Velocity 1.25 mains @50 / Tourna Black Zone 1.25 @48 side by side with VS17/ALU Power and I have to say I kept coming back to the Velocity/BHBZ stick.
Lots of spin and great comfort. I've tried every combo with this string and so far my favorite is Velocity main / slick poly cross.
Velocity in full bed notched, full of ball fuzz and locked up in about 15'. After that it played "boardy" and terrible to hit with. ALU mains / Velocity crosses worked well but after 30' of good hitting, the crosses were full of ball fuzz, clay and the mains weren't snapping back. The first 30' were really nice though but went down hill after. VS mains / Velocity crosses just didn't work at all as almost immediately the gut mains got stuck against the Velocity crosses and all spin went bye bye.
I expected a similar result from the Velocity mains / poly cross but to my surprise it plays really nice and stable. The only negative I can see so far is that in 1h the mains are notched about 30-40%. I don't think these will last more than 3h but a very nice experience so far.

I think you’re better off with VCT 16g mains with thin round copoly cross with good tension maintenance. From a durability standpoint, multis just dont last for hard hitters 4.5/5.0+ level

 

[FIRETennis]

I think you’re better off with VCT 16g mains with thin round copoly cross with good tension maintenance. From a durability standpoint, multis just dont last for hard hitters 4.5/5.0+ level

Velocity as a main was a nice experiment for me. Unfortunately, while I do like the softness and comfort of VCT 16g it is hard to use competitively. Tension maintenance is just too terrible and the shape in the sweet spot wears off in 2h making it kinda erratic after depending on where you hit on the stringbed.

 

[blai212]

Velocity as a main was a nice experiment for me. Unfortunately, while I do like the softness and comfort of VCT 16g it is hard to use competitively. Tension maintenance is just too terrible and the shape in the sweet spot wears off in 2h making it kinda erratic after depending on where you hit on the stringbed.

Hence using cross with good tension maintenance. I usually get 4-5 hr before VCT gets smooth in sweetspot but even then, it would become like any round string anyways

 

[junbun]

I was curious what velocity's measurements were at other tensions/speeds/ diameters and decided to run a machine learning model that learns all the TWU data and then comes up with an estimate. So far I've only used it on the "stiffness" rating but could be expanded to other measurements. I'm wondering if this is useful and what people on TT want / look at to better help them decide on a string.

I would say the accuracy of these predictions right now is probably close to taking an average 8 year old who doesn't play tennis. Have them remember all the data from TWU strings database, and then ask them what their best guess would be.

['Head Velocity MLT 17 (1.25)', 40.0, 'Fast', 123.12772]
['Head Velocity MLT 17 (1.25)', 40.0, 'Medium', 129.3539]
['Head Velocity MLT 17 (1.25)', 40.0, 'Slow', 132.28662]
['Head Velocity MLT 17 (1.25)', 51.0, 'Medium', 150.01248]
['Head Velocity MLT 17 (1.25)', 51.0, 'Slow', 152.94522]
['Head Velocity MLT 17 (1.25)', 62.0, 'Fast', 164.4449]
['Head Velocity MLT 17 (1.25)', 62.0, 'Medium', 170.67108]
['Head Velocity MLT 17 (1.25)', 62.0, 'Slow', 174.30257]

For comparison's sake here is the real and predicted stiffness for strings that we do have data on:
['Alpha Gut 2000 16', 40.0, 'Fast', 131.4, 137.20683]
['Alpha Gut 2000 16', 62.0, 'Slow', 163.4, 187.68292]
['Alpha Gut 2000 16', 51.0, 'Slow', 148.6, 167.02435]
['Alpha Gut 2000 16', 62.0, 'Medium', 179.5, 184.75021]
['Alpha Gut 2000 16', 40.0, 'Slow', 126.9, 146.36575]
['Alpha Gut 2000 16', 51.0, 'Medium', 161.2, 164.0916]
['Alpha Gut 2000 16', 62.0, 'Fast', 180.6, 178.524]
['Alpha Gut 2000 16', 40.0, 'Medium', 133.7, 143.43301]
['Dunlop Silk 16 (1.30)', 51.0, 'Medium', 159.4, 152.83755]
['Dunlop Silk 16 (1.30)', 40.0, 'Fast', 122.9, 125.95281]
['Dunlop Silk 16 (1.30)', 62.0, 'Medium', 184.6, 173.49615]
['Dunlop Silk 16 (1.30)', 62.0, 'Fast', 171.5, 167.26999]
['Dunlop Silk 16 (1.30)', 40.0, 'Slow', 127.4, 135.1117]
['Dunlop Silk 16 (1.30)', 51.0, 'Slow', 146.9, 155.77028]
['Dunlop Silk 16 (1.30)', 40.0, 'Medium', 123.4, 132.17899]
['Dunlop Silk 16 (1.30)', 62.0, 'Slow', 178.3, 176.42891]

Most predictions are within +- 5 stiffness ratings of the actual, while some could be as far as 20+ stiffness apart. I have some confidence that it will improve substantially from the baseline results posted for now. At the least, it should figure out that the stiffness for a slow swing at the same tension will always be stiffer than one from a medium swing, which it sort of gets, most of the time.

 

[BlackMagic]

Hello all. Long time lurker. I read this whole thread. This must some magic string that gets this much love! I haven’t tried it but I bought a whole reel already. I figure even if I don’t love it, it won’t be a bad string and between me, wife, and 2 kids playing, it should get used.
Also since I’m a new age man and comfortable with my manhood, I got a set of the pink ones and strung it full bed at 55 lbs. I don’t see how I can upload the pic from my phone to show you guys. Playing tomorrow so we will see how it goes.

 

[junbun]

Hey @BlackMagic

I haven’t read this whole thread ... can you summarize for us? LOL ...

basically the idea I get is it’s the best string before needing to go poly if you’re not breaking strings. Most popular as a cross substitution for smooth poly if you don’t need durability. holds tension well .
Ok as a fullbed, but there are other strings that make a better main.

 

[FIRETennis]

Hey @BlackMagic

I haven’t read this whole thread ... can you summarize for us? LOL ...

basically the idea I get is it’s the best string before needing to go poly if you’re not breaking strings. Most popular as a cross substitution for smooth poly if you don’t need durability. holds tension well .
Ok as a fullbed, but there are other strings that make a better main.

My advice, buy two sets.
String two frames .. ideally having the third frame (if you have it) with your favorite setup.
One set try it as a full bed. Second set half try as a main with a smooth poly cross and other half try as a cross to a smooth poly main.
Play side by side and compare.....
For me the best outcome was Velocity mains, Smooth poly cross side-by-side with gut/poly I would be hard pressed to pick one!
Problem is durability. 3-4h and it snaps whereas gut/poly at least three four times more (and the price) than that depending on conditions.
Depends how much you like stringing.....

 

[BlackMagic]

How do I post a picture?

 

[BlackMagic]

My advice, buy two sets.
String two frames .. ideally having the third frame (if you have it) with your favorite setup.
One set try it as a full bed. Second set half try as a main with a smooth poly cross and other half try as a cross to a smooth poly main.
Play side by side and compare.....
For me the best outcome was Velocity mains, Smooth poly cross side-by-side with gut/poly I would be hard pressed to pick one!
Problem is durability. 3-4h and it snaps whereas gut/poly at least three four times more (and the price) than that depending on conditions.
Depends how much you like stringing.....

that’s a good idea. I have a stringer. So I don’t mind stringing often.

 

[JOSHL]

How do I post a picture?

You need to use something like flikr or imgur

 

[SinneGOAT]

Can somebody recommend me a good tension for velocity mlt hybrided with poly tour pro as mlt in the mains in an ezone 98? It would be very much appreciated.

 

[megamind]

Can somebody recommend me a good tension for velocity mlt hybrided with poly tour pro as mlt in the mains in an ezone 98? It would be very much appreciated.

I’d give this a try:
53lbs Velocity x 50lbs PTP

edit: just saw your other post about elbow pain, if you still want to use PTP, maybe start off with this, and up the tension in your next stringjob if you feel your arm can handle it

50lbs Velocity x 46lbs PTP

 

[esgee48]

@BlackMagic, when you are logged in, there is a rectangle to the left of the Smilies. It is for inserting images that you have uploaded to a web hosting site like Imgur. When you upload, make sure you tell the site tht it will be used for a bulletin board otw your image will be huge. The hosting site will give you a BB URL which you can copy. Then Insert using CTL-P or pressing that rectangle.

 

[tennisintheeighties]

Anyone already tried the Velocity on main and Element ( crosses ) ?
Really like the Element. But I need something softer on my elbow.

 

[harsh_alive]

Has anyone tried Wilson NXT 16 as main and Head Velocity 16 as crosses? What do you all think? What is your feedback?
I have been using NXT 16 full bed in Pro Staff 97 V13. Cross strings are the first to break always. Was wondering if I string NXT main with Velocity cross what might be the result. Understand that I will have to try myself. Want to know you all's input as well. Thanks.

 

[Traffic]

I've strung NXT/Velocity for myself and some friends.
Arm friendly
More controlled (lowered powered) than FB NXT

 

[golden chicken]

I've strung NXT/Velocity for myself and some friends.
Arm friendly
More controlled (lowered powered) than FB NXT

More spin than FB NXT, more power than FB Velocity?

 

[tennisintheeighties]

Currently using velocity 1.30 main 24kg and Element crosses 22kgs
Great combo.
Softer than Element FB, kind of pillow
Same spin, really good control.
Sounds very very similar to triax.

My elbow says thank you.
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[tlm]

Velocity is a good string at a good price, it has good comfort very good control and holds It’s playability.

 

[taydbear7]

I like Velocity a lot. I either have it in either my mains or crosses. One racquet has Red Devil in the mains with Velocity in the crosses, one racquet has vice versa and one racquet has FB. Hopefully I find the right combo soon. lol

 

[MikhailT]

Were non-black and nude colors of Velocity always so hard to get by in Europe or is it a recent development which is hopefully only temporary? I'd love some yellow velocity to match the Ezone, but not sure if yellow reels will ever become available?

 

[Return_Ace]

Were non-black and nude colors of Velocity always so hard to get by in Europe or is it a recent development which is hopefully only temporary? I'd love some yellow velocity to match the Ezone, but not sure if yellow reels will ever become available?

Yes.

At least in the UK, have only seen Pink in 1.30mm single set, haven't seen the Yellow; think somewhere sells the Blue as well.

But yeah, no coloured reels iirc.

 

[MikhailT]

Yes.

At least in the UK, have only seen Pink in 1.30mm single set, haven't seen the Yellow; think somewhere sells the Blue as well.

But yeah, no coloured reels iirc.

After some googling I have found a german shop that sells yellow reels, so I have ordered one and received it already. The color is really nice in real life.

 

[Traffic]

More spin than FB NXT, more power than FB Velocity?

Power felt pretty low.
I have not played FB NXT so please take info with a grain of salt.

Is less power than n-gut/poly.

 

[FIRETennis]

Currently using velocity 1.30 main 24kg and Element crosses 22kgs
Great combo.
Softer than Element FB, kind of pillow
Same spin, really good control.
Sounds very very similar to triax.

My elbow says thank you.
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I also tried a similar setup except with Tourna Black Zone in the crosses.
Reviewing my notes, it felt as nice as VS/Element with lots of spin and control.
The only issue was durability. Notched quite quickly and broke after ~4h for me but I used the 1.25 Velocity.
I will try the Velocity 1.30 next as a main with Element for those wet clay court days.
How long does this last you?

 

[tennisintheeighties]

I also tried a similar setup except with Tourna Black Zone in the crosses.
Reviewing my notes, it felt as nice as VS/Element with lots of spin and control.
The only issue was durability. Notched quite quickly and broke after ~4h for me but I used the 1.25 Velocity.
I will try the Velocity 1.30 next as a main with Element for those wet clay court days.
How long does this last you?

It last approximately 3 hours. Hitting with 4.5 and 5.0, great feel / spin / control, and at the same time protect my elbow, but not my wallet

 

[taydbear7]

It's a great string. I bought a reel for $55 with free shipping. My wallet jumped out of my pocket when I saw that price.

 

[LittleDawg]

It's a great string. I bought a reel for $55 with free shipping. My wallet jumped out of my pocket when I saw that price.

Where did you get that price? Was it for a half reel?

 

[taydbear7]

Where did you get that price? Was it for a half reel?

It was on the bay. The seller had no feedback and had it for $60 obo so I offered $55 and got it. It was a full reel. I'm still using it. Already strung around 10 racquets so far.