Head Velocity

[tennisnoob1949]

The app is cheap ... and cheap entertainment. I don't trust the actual measurement that much, but it seems to me more than likely the measure of tension loss is accurate. That's all I am interested in anyway. Also ... I don't need RT to tell me Velocity plays pretty much the same until it breaks for me. I remember years ago when I played with Sensation loving it for first couple of weeks, and then a definite change (deader). They could have changed/improved it by now. I never feel that way with Velocity ... maybe because it doesn't have an "initial lively" period. But also ... it never feels dead to me, even past 20 hours. Part of it might be the fact I rotate the racquet (which edge up) around 10-15 hours depending on notching. My wear pattern is center to top edge. I get less notching in the center because of tight middle 8 strings... and more on the hits closer to the edge/tip. I get a little "new string fresh feel" on rotation.

My guess is I would usually break Velocity 16g at 15-20 hours if I didn't rotate. This little strange quirk gives me an additional 10-15 hours. Sure ... I could spin my racquet and look cool ... but I have some of that cheap SOB in me to. Actually ... mainly I don't want to drive to the stringer ... make that lazy cheap SOB.

It does occur to me if I was a racquet spinner ... and the top edge alternated close to 50% … I would get close to same hours. But then ... no mid-life fresh string moment.

In RT, what string factor do you use for Velocity? I found the string, but comes with a NaN value for this.

Also, how do you guys vibrate the strings? I have found that vibrating with different articles leads to different tension readings.

 

[ByeByePoly]

In RT, what string factor do you use for Velocity? I found the string, but comes with a NaN value for this.

Also, how do you guys vibrate the strings? I have found that vibrating with different articles leads to different tension readings.

Yeah ... Velocity wasn't in the database. I have been using 1.46 which I think was from PPC 16g (I tested PPC before Velocity and it was in the db).

All I care about is the loss of DT over time, so I figure it works for that. Someone posted that they backed into their string factor by picking one that matched the RT. So if they strung at 55 ... they would enter a string factor that gave RT 55 off the stringer. Not accurate ... but simple method to track DT loss.

 

[tennisnoob1949]

Yeah ... Velocity wasn't in the database. I have been using 1.46 which I think was from PPC 16g (I tested PPC before Velocity and it was in the db).

All I care about is the loss of DT over time, so I figure it works for that. Someone posted that they backed into their string factor by picking one that matched the RT. So if they strung at 55 ... they would enter a string factor that gave RT 55 off the stringer. Not accurate ... but simple method to track DT loss.

thanks!

 

[esgee48]

The latest versions of RT tell you to use a scrap piece of string, set the tension on the string (40#) and put a factor in that reflects the tension. You could use their database or you could also measure the string factor which is grams/meter of stretched string at your tension. In all cases, a string factor is used for calculating tension from frequency. It's not all that hard, though most pro shops would probably roll their eyes if you did this in front of them. Or permanently ban you from their premises.

Stringer - What are you doing tapping the strings with that spoon?
You (Or George) - I am checking the tension on the strings.
Stringer - Say that again? You don't trust me?
You (or George) - Uh, I just want to know what the true tension is on the strings.
Stringer - No More STRINGS for you. (The Seinfeld episode!)

Scene fades to black with you on the sidewalk holding a racquet with busted strings.

 

[ByeByePoly]

In RT, what string factor do you use for Velocity? I found the string, but comes with a NaN value for this.

Also, how do you guys vibrate the strings? I have found that vibrating with different articles leads to different tension readings.

I forgot to answer your question about what pinging utensil. I started with the edge of my second racquet. That worked fine, but became a pain because it's the one that's strung with gut and lives in the Volkl bag, which lives in the big racquet bag. To much un-bagging. I changed to the end of a screw driver (tap the handle end on the strings). Yes ... pick something and stick with it.

 

[ByeByePoly]

The latest versions of RT tell you to use a scrap piece of string, set the tension on the string (40#) and put a factor in that reflects the tension. You could use their database or you could also measure the string factor which is grams/meter of stretched string at your tension. In all cases, a string factor is used for calculating tension from frequency. It's not all that hard, though most pro shops would probably roll their eyes if you did this in front of them. Or permanently ban you from their premises.

Stringer - What are you doing tapping the strings with that spoon?
You (Or George) - I am checking the tension on the strings.
Stringer - Say that again? You don't trust me?
You (or George) - Uh, I just want to know what the true tension is on the strings.
Stringer - No More STRINGS for you. (The Seinfeld episode!)

Scene fades to black with you on the sidewalk holding a racquet with busted strings.

I did that ... pinged it right off the stringer. He was in the middle of telling me RT wasn't accurate. He had just strung fb Velocity @55. Before I pinged ... I asked what he thought tension would be. He said 52 ... I pinged and it said 52. I left with my racquet and a smile.

 

[tennisnoob1949]

I forgot to answer your question about what pinging utensil. I started with the edge of my second racquet. That worked fine, but became a pain because it's the one that's strung with gut and lives in the Volkl bag, which lives in the big racquet bag. To much un-bagging. I changed to the end of a screw driver (tap the handle end on the strings). Yes ... pick something and stick with it.

Got it, thank you !

 

[tennisnoob1949]

Yeah ... Velocity wasn't in the database. I have been using 1.46 which I think was from PPC 16g (I tested PPC before Velocity and it was in the db).

All I care about is the loss of DT over time, so I figure it works for that. Someone posted that they backed into their string factor by picking one that matched the RT. So if they strung at 55 ... they would enter a string factor that gave RT 55 off the stringer. Not accurate ... but simple method to track DT loss.

I tried 1.46 and it gave me somewhat of a nonsensical value. I strung Velocity at 57 lbs and have played 2 hours with the racquet, and RT says it's at 27.5 lbs right now. I may be incompetent at stringing, but cannot image I did that badly I think it matters what you sound the strings with (I am using a hollow bottle of some kind).

 

[ByeByePoly]

I tried 1.46 and it gave me somewhat of a nonsensical value. I strung Velocity at 57 lbs and have played 2 hours with the racquet, and RT says it's at 27.5 lbs right now. I may be incompetent at stringing, but cannot image I did that badly I think it matters what you sound the strings with (I am using a hollow bottle of some kind).

My guess is something else is wrong in your setup. Make sure you selected lbs and not kg.

Try pinging it with a spoon.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Hit for 2 hours on V 16 @54/V 17 @52.

RT 48 ... so it held it's tension from last RT. My guess is it has now settled ... which would be DT -10%.

Very controlled setup. Still feels stiffer than fb 16 @52 ... and based on my memory, a little stiffer than fb @55. At this point it's so close to fb 16 I would say it plays basically the same. Not worth changing to hybrid if you are playing fb ... but I have no reason to go back to fb 16. I will continue use my 16 and 17 sets as hybrids.

I might experiment with tension. I won't ever go higher than 54/52 ... but I could see 52/52 or 54/50. The touch is there @54/52 like fb @52 ... but perhaps a little less give/pocketing. I still don't get that ... I thought 17g was suppose to give more (that's what my stringer expected also). I don't have much experience with 17g. I tried switching from rpm blast 16 to 17 once and went back to 16 immediately.

Spin? I think I might be getting a little more with 16/17 ... but it close enough that it really isn't a factor. It would be nice to do a side by side test.

 

[Dartagnan64]

The mains provide about 80% of the stringbed feel from what I've been told so I'm not surprised you are not noticing a big difference from 17 gauge crosses. Maining the 17 with 16 gauge crosses might produce a different feel.

My full bed of Velocity 17 is at about 18 hours now and still functional. Started at 55 and never felt stiff but that could be the result of the PP 100 frame. Feels a bit more pocketing now but no trampolining and reasonable snap back of the strings. Better than Origin that way.

If I was going into a tourney, I'd swap it out for fresh strings but it's fine for rec play. My pet peeve with multis is when the stringbed notches and locks. That hasn't happened yet which is impressive.

 

[PigPen]

Anyone hybrid this string with NG?

 

[Traffic]

Anyone hybrid this string with NG?

I think the one downside to V being used as a cross is that it's not as slick as a poly. So you may not get as much spin as with poly.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Anyone hybrid this string with NG?

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/head-velocity.586942/page-5#post-11225694

 

[Dartagnan64]

Well hit the 20 hour mark with the string. Interesting that it has an initial 5-10 hours of new string bed crispness. Then it loosens up a bit and kind of stays that way. Seems to plateau in tension loss. Strings move a little but not as much as other multis at this point. Seems to be pretty durable considering I'm using a spin frame and 17gauge strings. No sign of impending breakage. Of course if its like Origin it will look fine until it suddenly snaps.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Well hit the 20 hour mark with the string. Interesting that it has an initial 5-10 hours of new string bed crispness. Then it loosens up a bit and kind of stays that way. Seems to plateau in tension loss. Strings move a little but not as much as other multis at this point. Seems to be pretty durable considering I'm using a spin frame and 17gauge strings. No sign of impending breakage. Of course if its like Origin it will look fine until it suddenly snaps.

If you don't have 50% notches ... it's not ready to break. I would say 50% notches +5 hours is pretty close to what I found.

Edit: that +5 hours is for those of us that get 20ish hours out of Velocity. Knife at the start of this thread breaks V in 5 hours.

20 hours in a spin frame ... and no fraying. Multi is to broad a category now imo.

 

[emn8]

Have put some hours on three V combos.

1. Blade 98 CV 18x20 Natural Gut/V 17 @ 54/52. 10hours

Nice blend of power and control from the baseline. Spin potential is quite low but with my semi western FH was able to generate enough for my needs. Fast rhs is a requirement though. Obh was better once I had dialled in range. Was hitting long initially as my backhand tends to be a bit flatter. Slice backhand was ok but did notice that it was knifing through as much as I would like. It just kind of sat up. Rarely used it thereafter. Net play was on the whole good. Again I had to adapt. I don't typically swing out volleys so much as present the racquet face and use the pace of the ball. With this setup the ball just didn't push through the court. So had to just apply a little more punch on the volleys. Was better when I remembered to this. Feel and touch shots were great. Drop volley winners were way higher than usual.
Flat serves were the standout. Really good power and directional control. Kick serves I struggled with. Just couldn't get the bite and my double faults were higher as a result. Too many just going long or couldn't get it drop in on a tight angle on the AD side.

2. Blade 98 CV Lime 18x20 CV Full Bed V17 @ 52. 8hours

A very control orientated setup. Very muted. Spin was ok and better than I was expecting. Launch angle seemed lower and initially hitting with depth was a concern. Not sure there was any outstanding feature in this setup. Control is the key here with everything else from serves, volleys, ohbh and FH being just ok. This is a point and shoot setup. If you're a grinder/ pusher could be a good setup. Didn't feel like I could miss a shot but hitting winners or pushing opponents back with heavy balls isn't this setups strength. In anything other than a 18x20 this may work better.

3. RF97A 16/19 V16/WCUC @52/48 4 hours
Need some hours on this to really form an opinion so will update in the next few days.

The one thing I can say for certain. Have had no shoulder pains or aches since switching to FB V or with hybrid with NG. V is so arm friendly and love the control it affords me so I don't feel I miss that aspect from a poly. Durability is also very good. FB V is still going strong and think I could get another 8 hours or more from it. With NG/V setup the NG is fraying but the V still looks great. A few more hours with that if I'm lucky. On the whole V is hands down a a great multi IMHO. My shoulder would agree.




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[emn8]

First two pics are NG/V and the last two FB V

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[ByeByePoly]

First two pics are NG/V and the last two FB V

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Great review ... the triplets look great.

Surprised on the volleys. The best feeling volley I have played was fb vs touch. VS/Cream is good also ... but not fb gut good. I don't play much doubles lately, and not enough net play in my singles (will need to add more now trying to shorten points) for volley to be a big factor.

Point and shoot is the opposite of pushing. Pushing is anywhere in without pointing.

I think you nailed it ... V is a control nylon string with more spin then you would expect. It's definitely BYOP (bring your own pace). I think that's why you see many of us in this thread migrate down in V tension ... wanting a bit more pop.

Edit: were you happy with fb v 17 tension 52?

 

[emn8]

Great review ... the triplets look great.

Surprised on the volleys. The best feeling volley I have played was fb vs touch. VS/Cream is good also ... but not fb gut good. I don't play much doubles lately, and not enough net play in my singles (will need to add more now trying to shorten points) for volley to be a big factor.

Point and shoot is the opposite of pushing. Pushing is anywhere in without pointing.

I think you nailed it ... V is a control nylon string with more spin then you would expect. It's definitely BYOP (bring your own pace). I think that's why you see many of us in this thread migrate down in V tension ... wanting a bit more pop.

Edit: were you happy with fb v 17 tension 52?

Thanks BBP. I stand corrected. Point and shoot isn't probably the correct term. I do like FB V but as you have suggested dropping the tension lower might be the way to go. Might give me some added pocketing and possibly spin.

Volleying is good with NG/V and the feel is top notch. I probably just need to punch the volleys when driving through the court.

I much prefer this hybrid to the FB although I could play with both.

What would you recommend for FB V? 50 or 48?

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[ByeByePoly]

Thanks BBP. I stand corrected. Point and shoot isn't probably the correct term. I do like FB V but as you have suggested dropping the tension lower might be the way to go. Might give me some added pocketing and possibly spin.

Volleying is good with NG/V and the feel is top notch. I probably just need to punch the volleys when driving through the court.

I much prefer this hybrid to the FB although I could play with both.

What would you recommend for FB V? 50 or 48?

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I actually don't know with fb V 17 ... I only played fb 16 (only 55 and 52). I definitely like 52 better than 55 with 16 ... but then we all have different racquets and swing speed. My 3 hours with the V 16/17 54/52 makes me suspect 17g isn't any less stiff (or much different in power) than 16. The only way I would know for sure is a side by side with fb v 16 ... vs ... fb v 17. Maybe I will try fb v 17 in the gut racquet eventually.

 

[emn8]

I actually don't know with fb V 17 ... I only played fb 16 (only 55 and 52). I definitely like 52 better than 55 with 16 ... but then we all have different racquets and swing speed. My 3 hours with the V 16/17 54/52 makes me suspect 17g isn't any less stiff (or much different in power) than 16. The only way I would know for sure is a side by side with fb v 16 ... vs ... fb v 17. Maybe I will try fb v 17 in the gut racquet eventually.

Understood [emoji106] will drop it a touch to 50 and see how that plays.

I'm currently stringing a Project One 7 16x19 with V17 and focus hex for one of the club players. He typically uses NRG but was intrigued after having a brief hit with my FB V. Will be interested to see what he thinks.

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[Dartagnan64]

OK I'm perplexed by this string. 21 hours in with full bed 17 gauge black with some pretty hard hitting at times. Virtually no notching yet. Strings still mobile but still snapping back in place for the most part. Getting good spin and acceptable control. Is this really a multi? By now I should have snapped it or the string bed should be locked.

I'm not complaining but I'm trying to understand why I'm getting this more prolonged performance than I expected. The stringbed looks the same at hour 21 as it did at hour 10. Performing about the same. Tension loss seems to have plateau'd. This seems better than most of the comments in this thread so I'm wondering if it's my Racquet as this is the first time I've played with a Prince Ported frame.

I likely will re-string in a week or so if it doesn't break by then as I've got league starting and want a fresh stringbed to start off league play. But it's weird that I'm not seeing much drop off at 21 hours with a multi and no sign of string wear.

 

[Traffic]

OK I'm perplexed by this string. 21 hours in with full bed 17 gauge black with some pretty hard hitting at times. Virtually no notching yet. Strings still mobile but still snapping back in place for the most part. Getting good spin and acceptable control. Is this really a multi? By now I should have snapped it or the string bed should be locked.

I'm not complaining but I'm trying to understand why I'm getting this more prolonged performance than I expected. The stringbed looks the same at hour 21 as it did at hour 10. Performing about the same. Tension loss seems to have plateau'd. This seems better than most of the comments in this thread so I'm wondering if it's my Racquet as this is the first time I've played with a Prince Ported frame.

I likely will re-string in a week or so if it doesn't break by then as I've got league starting and want a fresh stringbed to start off league play. But it's weird that I'm not seeing much drop off at 21 hours with a multi and no sign of string wear.

My experience is that it drops tension first two hours. Then stabilizes. At about hr 12, strings start to move but still plays the same. I've not heard anyone say that it plays any differently after that. Only that they notice the strings moving out of place. That seems to bug them more than any significant differences in playability. I think I had about 15-18hrs on my fb Velocity and I thought it was impacting my play. I cut it out and restrung. And I played exactly the same. The strings didn't change. It was all me.

 

[ByeByePoly]

I hit the 16/17 another 2 hours ... a lot of balls, and tension holding. I'm only at 5 hours, but notching doesn't look any worse than fb 16... 10 hours will be the best comparison. Still happy with control at 54/52. I do think I will try 54/50 next stringing... but I could stick with this and be good to go. Strings are staying straight ... not poly straight but good.

 

[ByeByePoly]

OK I'm perplexed by this string. 21 hours in with full bed 17 gauge black with some pretty hard hitting at times. Virtually no notching yet. Strings still mobile but still snapping back in place for the most part. Getting good spin and acceptable control. Is this really a multi? By now I should have snapped it or the string bed should be locked.

I'm not complaining but I'm trying to understand why I'm getting this more prolonged performance than I expected. The stringbed looks the same at hour 21 as it did at hour 10. Performing about the same. Tension loss seems to have plateau'd. This seems better than most of the comments in this thread so I'm wondering if it's my Racquet as this is the first time I've played with a Prince Ported frame.

I likely will re-string in a week or so if it doesn't break by then as I've got league starting and want a fresh stringbed to start off league play. But it's weird that I'm not seeing much drop off at 21 hours with a multi and no sign of string wear.

They must have hidden some poly in there ... but poly that doesn't go dead.

Yeah ... if you like the string at 5 hours, you will like it at 20.

Your experience makes me wonder if 17g black notches less than 16g natural. I definitely have notching by 10. Perhaps black is the difference.

 

[emn8]

Still playing very well for me 12 hours in on a FB. In a tight stringbed I can see this lasting me some time yet

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[emn8]

From around 3hrs in it has played pretty consistent for me. Tension maintenance seems above par even for a multi.

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[Dartagnan64]

They must have hidden some poly in there ... but poly that doesn't go dead.

Yeah ... if you like the string at 5 hours, you will like it at 20.

Your experience makes me wonder if 17g black notches less than 16g natural. I definitely have notching by 10. Perhaps black is the difference.

Ran my hand over several strings this am and couldn't feel any notching anywhere. Maybe the black dye makes for a firmer string. Again not complaining as I tend to hate strings that notch and lock more than I hate strings that move and get out of place.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Ran my hand over several strings this am and couldn't feel any notching anywhere. Maybe the black dye makes for a firmer string. Again not complaining as I tend to hate strings that notch and lock more than I hate strings that move and get out of place.

I check by pulling crosses down out of notches. If I run into a bigger one ... I inspect. I never notch crosses, so velocity mains never seem locked to me.

 

[Dartagnan64]

I check by pulling crosses down out of notches. If I run into a bigger one ... I inspect. I never notch crosses, so velocity mains never seem locked to me.

I was checking the mains rather than the crosses (since I always snap mains and notched crosses don't lock the stringbed). Tomorrow I'll check the crosses for notching.

 

[ByeByePoly]

I was checking the mains rather than the crosses (since I always snap mains and notched crosses don't lock the stringbed). Tomorrow I'll check the crosses for notching.

You mean notched (or worn or frayed) crosses lock stringbeds right? It seems notched mains still slide.

Regardless, I am not "locked" sensitive. I just didn't understand what you meant by "Ran my hand over several strings" to check for your main notches. You have to pull the crosses down to check the main notches, right? Probably what you meant.

 

[Dartagnan64]

You mean notched (or worn or frayed) crosses lock stringbeds right? It seems notched mains still slide.

Regardless, I am not "locked" sensitive. I just didn't understand what you meant by "Ran my hand over several strings" to check for your main notches. You have to pull the crosses down to check the main notches, right? Probably what you meant.

Yeah. Late in the day and my brain is not working.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Yeah. Late in the day and my brain is not working.

lol ... got it. I wanted to know if there was a faster way to check for notches. Magic fingers.

 

[Dartagnan64]

OK brain was working a bit better this am. 24 hrs into the string: Mains notched modestly, crosses still unnotched. String movement getting a bit worse, frequently having to move strings back after points. Control was not as precise as I'd like.

Time to put in a new set of strings. I think I'll try another full bed of velocity 17 this time at 54 lbs. Once that's done I'm going to try an experimental hybrid of Velocity Mains and RIP Control crosses likely at 54/50.

 

[ByeByePoly]

OK brain was working a bit better this am. 24 hrs into the string: Mains notched modestly, crosses still unnotched. String movement getting a bit worse, frequently having to move strings back after points. Control was not as precise as I'd like.

Time to put in a new set of strings. I think I'll try another full bed of velocity 17 this time at 54 lbs. Once that's done I'm going to try an experimental hybrid of Velocity Mains and RIP Control crosses likely at 54/50.

What are you going for with rip c? I have never tried it.

 

[TennisBoysCousin]

OK brain was working a bit better this am. 24 hrs into the string: Mains notched modestly, crosses still unnotched. String movement getting a bit worse, frequently having to move strings back after points. Control was not as precise as I'd like.

Time to put in a new set of strings. I think I'll try another full bed of velocity 17 this time at 54 lbs. Once that's done I'm going to try an experimental hybrid of Velocity Mains and RIP Control crosses likely at 54/50.

I like to use bowstring wax to allow strings to slide smoothly. Works like a charm. Also, I really enjoyed a hybrid of Synthetic Gut mains/Velocity crosses. Velocity(with bowstring wax) prevented mains from getting stuck out of place. Synthetic gut adds a bit of crispness to the string bed(OG sheep micro). Worth a shot imo.

 

[USPTARF97]

Tempted to try this in a RF97. What guage/ tension would you guys recommend? I play mostly 1.25 poly at 50lbs. I am playing inexpensive poly this fall/winter but only get 3-4hrs out of it. Tired of stringing. Would love to have a string that will last and have decent power/control.

 

[Dartagnan64]

What are you going for with rip c? I have never tried it.

RIP is a fairly firm slippery multi. Hoping to get a bit more spin and a little more control. Somewhat like using a soft poly in the crosses but a tad softer. Trying to recreate that gut/poly feel without actually paying for gut or experiencing poly.

 

[ByeByePoly]

RIP is a fairly firm slippery multi. Hoping to get a bit more spin and a little more control. Somewhat like using a soft poly in the crosses but a tad softer. Trying to recreate that gut/poly feel without actually paying for gut or experiencing poly.

Agreed ... gut/poly would be great if you didn't have to buy gut and play with poly.

Will be curious how it plays. When I was testing strings post TE, I considered trying rip c, but Mikeler gave it bad marks on control. I just noticed on the TW review, they rated it high on control. V 17 and Rip C 17 about the same stiffness.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Tempted to try this in a RF97. What guage/ tension would you guys recommend? I play mostly 1.25 poly at 50lbs. I am playing inexpensive poly this fall/winter but only get 3-4hrs out of it. Tired of stringing. Would love to have a string that will last and have decent power/control.

I liked rpm blast 16 @52 and Velocity 16 @52. That makes no sense ... but it is what it is. Since you are coming from poly, maybe start @55. If you lean toward more touch like dropshots ... 52 is better. Note: touch isn't Velocity's strong suit ... but then neither is poly.

 

[USPTARF97]

I liked rpm blast 16 @52 and Velocity 16 @52. That makes no sense ... but it is what it is. Since you are coming from poly, maybe start @55. If you lean toward more touch like dropshots ... 52 is better. Note: touch isn't Velocity's strong suit ... but then neither is poly.

Thanks, will give the Black 17g a try at 52. I am out of string and something that lasts longer and easy on the arm sounds good for the cooler temps.

 

[Dartagnan64]

Just put my second set of Velocity 17 Black at 54 lbs. Man, I love fresh strings. I'd strongly suggest this tension for the 17 gauge.

 

[emn8]

Just finished up with my Gut/V 17. Ready to be cut out as the gut is fraying so bad after 17 hours of playtime. This is one sweet setup now that I have dialled in most of my game. Worked on my racquet drop to help generate a bit more rhs on the kick serve. The flat serve still has the punch - was really going for them last night and I felt like I couldn't miss. Best of all, no arm/shoulder ache this morning.

Will probably stick with this setup over the FB V17 - just more feel, spin with a good degree of control for my game. I will keep a setup of the FB V for those off days when I just need to reign in my game.
Just waiting on an order NG (Klip Legend) and will see if it plays as well as VS did with V17.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Just finished up with my Gut/V 17. Ready to be cut out as the gut is fraying so bad after 17 hours of playtime. This is one sweet setup now that I have dialled in most of my game. Worked on my racquet drop to help generate a bit more rhs on the kick serve. The flat serve still has the punch - was really going for them last night and I felt like I couldn't miss. Best of all, no arm/shoulder ache this morning.

Will probably stick with this setup over the FB V17 - just more feel, spin with a good degree of control for my game. I will keep a setup of the FB V for those off days when I just need to reign in my game.
Just waiting on an order NG (Klip Legend) and will see if it plays as well as VS did with V17.

Spin? vs gut/poly?

 

[TennisBoysCousin]

Just finished up with my Gut/V 17. Ready to be cut out as the gut is fraying so bad after 17 hours of playtime. This is one sweet setup now that I have dialled in most of my game. Worked on my racquet drop to help generate a bit more rhs on the kick serve. The flat serve still has the punch - was really going for them last night and I felt like I couldn't miss. Best of all, no arm/shoulder ache this morning.

Will probably stick with this setup over the FB V17 - just more feel, spin with a good degree of control for my game. I will keep a setup of the FB V for those off days when I just need to reign in my game.
Just waiting on an order NG (Klip Legend) and will see if it plays as well as VS did with V17.

How was the feel? Did the gut add any crispness to the stringbed? Biggest problem with fb velocity was being very muted.

 

[ByeByePoly]

How was the feel? Did the gut add any crispness to the stringbed? Biggest problem with fb velocity was being very muted.

"Biggest problem with fb velocity was being very muted."

That started as a problem for me ... and now is an addiction. I'm now ruined for any string I feel or hear.

 

[emn8]

Spin? vs gut/poly?

Definitely more with gut/poly but for a winter setup gut/V will do me just fine. With a semi western FH I don't miss it too much although the same can't be said for my flatter ohbh.

Spin is better than a FB of V in my opinion but then I'm just splitting hairs as the difference is not that significant

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[ByeByePoly]

Definitely more with gut/poly but for a winter setup gut/V will do me just fine. With a semi western FH I don't miss it too much although the same can't be said for my flatter ohbh.

Spin is better than a FB of V in my opinion but then I'm just splitting hairs as the difference is not that significant

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"Spin is better than a FB of V in my opinion but then I'm just splitting hairs as the difference is not that significant"

Thx ... that is what I expected. I actually felt I got more spin with fb Velocity 16 than fb vs 16 ... but no side by side test. Going off of memory with fb vs.

 

[ckhirnigs113]

Just finished up with my Gut/V 17. Ready to be cut out as the gut is fraying so bad after 17 hours of playtime. This is one sweet setup now that I have dialled in most of my game. Worked on my racquet drop to help generate a bit more rhs on the kick serve. The flat serve still has the punch - was really going for them last night and I felt like I couldn't miss. Best of all, no arm/shoulder ache this morning.

Will probably stick with this setup over the FB V17 - just more feel, spin with a good degree of control for my game. I will keep a setup of the FB V for those off days when I just need to reign in my game.
Just waiting on an order NG (Klip Legend) and will see if it plays as well as VS did with V17.

Did you use black or natural in this hybrid?