ByeByePoly
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And that @ByeByePoly are talking with me from the other side!
Maybe one or other crazies who still alive may answer to my questions! Some zombie maybe!Or @KluddKalle!
You will like brother Kludd ... cra cra
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ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
And that @ByeByePoly are talking with me from the other side!
Maybe one or other crazies who still alive may answer to my questions! Some zombie maybe!
not sure ... but the walls are white and padded
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Since you hit a heavy ball ... you would be good feedback on V/ALU power. I wonder if a poly cross keeps V mains straight, or at least straighter.
Does hyper G/ Alu Power stay straight for you?
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Yes, the Hyper Alu plays quite straight for 3 hours or so. Little movement there.
I wanna try origin/V just once. For those who play this combo, how is the movement there?
t_pac
Semi-Pro
I've used V mains with poly (T1 Ghostwire) crosses. Less string movement than full bed V for sure, but there is still movement after a while.
Plays pretty well, probably going to string this combo up again soon in my TF40
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
I get "some" movement with fb V 16 natural, and very little with O 16 nat/V 16 nat ... so my feedback is meaningless for your level of string movement.
I guess that is why so many bigger ts hitters strung sg @60 in the old days ... only defense against constant string movement. It is weird to think back to when "straight strings" wasn't even a thought or discussion.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Most players want the snapback (mains slide open at impact and snapback straight) for topspin. That's one of the reasons slippery poly is popular. The elasto cross is for the opposite ... reduce string movement and friction to prolong the life of the strings ... typically trying to get gut or multi mains to last longer. Some put the crosses in a pattern right off the stringer ... others chase the fray/notch. A fb of V would get less ts loaded up with elasto crosses.
Dan D
Rookie
I understand the advantages with a lot of TP but for me, my level and my style of playing is not so important yet. The level of spin I get from string bed with EC (elasto croses) it's enough for me. I already play with EC in my racquets and it works fine for me. And the tension in the string bed increase a little bit when I use EC.
I understand the concept of snapback also but IMO a good technic may get a lot of spin anyway.
In the same way I think that EC not locked the mains to crosses. IMO it's the opposite: they permit some movement when the mains have hard to glide on crosses. The material in EC is very slippery (maybe a kind of teflon) and they improve the movement between strings.
EDIT: For not to talk that you can increase the tension a little bit to stop the movement or to help strings to retract.
I understand the concept of snapback also but IMO a good technic may get a lot of spin anyway.
In the same way I think that EC not locked the mains to crosses. IMO it's the opposite: they permit some movement when the mains have hard to glide on crosses. The material in EC is very slippery (maybe a kind of teflon) and they improve the movement between strings.
EDIT: For not to talk that you can increase the tension a little bit to stop the movement or to help strings to retract.
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Hi BBP My experience with elastocross is similar to DD's, that they dont lock the strings at all, but slide relatively easily and I still get reasonable snap back and topspin. I don't know how much difference it makes, but I wax my strings with bow string wax.
I have applied stencil ink to my strings with elastocross installed in the hitting zone and elastocross wipes the ink off very cleanly like a windshield wiper--very distinct line.
In my case, the elastocross just dissipates the force so that the strings don't cut, but still slide. The more elastocrosses I use in the hitting zone, the more the tension is increased but the snap back is still okay.
BTW, I routinely use elastocrosses outside of the hitting area to adjust tension tighter, for more control. Maybe up to 10 at the tip of the string bed, 5 middle main strings and top 2 crosses, and 10 in the same configuration at the bottom, plays a couple of #s tighter with plenty of topspin.
Dan D
Rookie
On my APD (16x19) I have EC in the following pattern:
---x-x-x-x-x---- 5th cross
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----x-x-x-x-x--- 7th cross
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---x-x-x-x-x---- 9th cross
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----x-x-x-x-x--- 11th cross
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---x-x-x-x-x---- 13th cross
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----x-x-x-x-x--- 15th cross
In total 30 EC. I started with 10, 20 and now I have 30 of them. The remaining movement is about 1-2 mm but not on all places.
EDIT 1: The pattern is almost the same in all my sticks: 30 EC!
EDIT 2: Like you see I concentrated my EC round sweetspot. For me is like the sweetspot is bigger with EC.
---x-x-x-x-x---- 5th cross
-----------------
----x-x-x-x-x--- 7th cross
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---x-x-x-x-x---- 9th cross
-----------------
----x-x-x-x-x--- 11th cross
-----------------
---x-x-x-x-x---- 13th cross
-----------------
----x-x-x-x-x--- 15th cross
In total 30 EC. I started with 10, 20 and now I have 30 of them. The remaining movement is about 1-2 mm but not on all places.
EDIT 1: The pattern is almost the same in all my sticks: 30 EC!
EDIT 2: Like you see I concentrated my EC round sweetspot. For me is like the sweetspot is bigger with EC.
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ByeByePoly
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I've used the babolat ones a couple of times. Once was with fb gut, and I just inserted one when a bad fray started. That worked fine. Another time, I put in a pattern in the sweet spot on fb V right off the stringer. Interestingly ... the mains started staying out of place (fb V without EC stays pretty straight in my tight 16x19). They are not for me loaded up in the sweet spot. FB V last long enough or me where I don't need them.
D
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Well, elasto crosses also increase spin and movement for me, but I’m not really into them.
So, Origin / V has less string movement? That’s good. I’m trying this in three weeks. As we have games the following two weeks, I have to stick to the fb poly.
BTW, has anyone of you TE sufferers ever tried WeissCannon Scorpion 1.22? It’s a great string, controlled as a poly should be but way easier on the arm than any poly I’ve ever tried.
So, Origin / V has less string movement? That’s good. I’m trying this in three weeks. As we have games the following two weeks, I have to stick to the fb poly.
BTW, has anyone of you TE sufferers ever tried WeissCannon Scorpion 1.22? It’s a great string, controlled as a poly should be but way easier on the arm than any poly I’ve ever tried.
t_pac
Semi-Pro
Black V with a slippery poly cross works pretty well. More spin than full bed V, stays playable for longer than full poly but as you'd expect, mains will break quicker.
Nick777
Semi-Pro
Go higher... Or hybrid
Dan D
Rookie
Thanks! I find now in my store the black V and I want to test it! I buy both diam: 1.25 and 1.30 but I already now think that 1.25 should fit me better.
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ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Multi ... 44 lbs ... still had control. V is whack!!!
I am on the record as anti-spraying ... just so wrong.
But I noticed @Dan D just found our disgusting "spraying" discussion ... so fyi for those so inclined:This thread spawned some very important topics ... like Mary Ann or Ginger. If anyone doesn't get that reference, count yourself lucky.
Dan D
Rookie
I've tried to forget the discussion about "smelly" balls and I almost succeed. Now you remember me again!I am on the record as anti-spraying ... just so wrong.
This thread spawned some very important topics ... like Mary Ann or Ginger. If anyone doesn't get that reference, count yourself lucky.
It's "disgusting"!
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ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
I've tried to forget the discussion about "smelly" balls and I almost succeed. Now you remember me again!
I would like to tell you that was our rock bottom ... but it was not.
Dan D
Rookie
And what stop you to tell that?! You are used to hear from your supreme "commander" about that fake news exist!
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
And what stop you to tell that?! You are used to hear from your supreme "commander" about that fake news exist!
Don't talk about that in this Book of V thread .... elsewhere ... we have to keep this Book of V string nostalgia for future generations. We will look quite primitive in hindsight.
Dan D
Rookie
I purchased today one set of natural V 1.30 (the last one) some sets of black V 1.30 and 1.25! I want to start to test different string jobs.
I want to start with fb nat och black in my 2 Blades 104 2015, maybe @ 52/48 lbs or 23.5/21.5 kg.
A little bit later I want to test (black V 0.25 and 0.30)/(yellow Lynx 0.25) @ various tension in my 2 PS 98 2014. Maybe (black V 1.30)/(yellow Lynx 0.25) @52/56, followed up by (black V 1.25)/(yellow Lynx 0.25) @52/56, and so on. I want to start with higher tension on Lynx than V because Lynx loose tension much quicker than black V!
I want to start with fb nat och black in my 2 Blades 104 2015, maybe @ 52/48 lbs or 23.5/21.5 kg.
A little bit later I want to test (black V 0.25 and 0.30)/(yellow Lynx 0.25) @ various tension in my 2 PS 98 2014. Maybe (black V 1.30)/(yellow Lynx 0.25) @52/56, followed up by (black V 1.25)/(yellow Lynx 0.25) @52/56, and so on. I want to start with higher tension on Lynx than V because Lynx loose tension much quicker than black V!
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Dan D
Rookie
Sorry: I take it back!Don't talk about that in this Book of V thread .... elsewhere ... we have to keep this Book of V string nostalgia for future generations. We will look quite primitive in hindsight.
D
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I know there has been a lot of chapters about the black and natural differences in the Book of V but after scrolling through numerous pages, I was wondering if anyone could give me a break down in the following categories:
1. String movement/ Notching
2. Spin
3. Power
4. Longevity
Much obliged!
1. String movement/ Notching
2. Spin
3. Power
4. Longevity
Much obliged!
golden chicken
Hall of Fame
You guys in this thread convinced me to try Velocity in my new to me BLX Six.One 95 16x18. It was previously strung with NXT 16 which is basically the only string I've ever used in any racket. In this racket, the NXT was an absolute rocket launcher and I felt it was uncontrollable.
I had a full bed strung at 55lbs on an electronic machine with 10% prestretch.
First impression strumming the strings is that 55 is probably way too tight for my liking.
First impression after the first hit is YUP this is a low powered multi compared to NXT. And YUP I strung it too tight. Also it's so muted there's no ringing of the strings on ball impact. I don't feel any need for a dampener like I do with NXT. I'd probably try 48-50lbs next since I string my PS90s at 45-46 with NXT.
The strings make a clack when you hit with a decent amount of spin. I assume this is due to snapback. It is definitely easier to generate spin with this string than NXT but it's not a miracle. If you hit flat, it'll be flat. If you hit with spin, it'll have slightly more than with NXT. As a mostly flat hitter who can ramp up the spin when needed, I appreciate the little bit of help but I will need to recalibrate so my shots don't fall short and spinny.
HTH anyone else.
I had a full bed strung at 55lbs on an electronic machine with 10% prestretch.
First impression strumming the strings is that 55 is probably way too tight for my liking.
First impression after the first hit is YUP this is a low powered multi compared to NXT. And YUP I strung it too tight. Also it's so muted there's no ringing of the strings on ball impact. I don't feel any need for a dampener like I do with NXT. I'd probably try 48-50lbs next since I string my PS90s at 45-46 with NXT.
The strings make a clack when you hit with a decent amount of spin. I assume this is due to snapback. It is definitely easier to generate spin with this string than NXT but it's not a miracle. If you hit flat, it'll be flat. If you hit with spin, it'll have slightly more than with NXT. As a mostly flat hitter who can ramp up the spin when needed, I appreciate the little bit of help but I will need to recalibrate so my shots don't fall short and spinny.
HTH anyone else.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Yes ... just said something similar. I judge/calibrate a strings power match for my game based on my flattish dtl fh.
ByeByePoly
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ttc2000
Rookie
I'm doing Natural Velocity 16g with head hawk 17g crosses in a speed pro 360 graphene @52/49 lbs.
So far it seems OK, but haven't tested it with new balls.
Will be playing in the ITF Seniors 35+ in around an hour's time.
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2nd Serve Ace
Hall of Fame
Speed pro not exactly a power stick, so new balls with this string combo should be good.
D
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I think I'll be sticking with my fb of Scorpion until the winter games are over. I believe it's the best of both worlds. For me it is very comfy and has a very natural launch angle/spin/power level.
The Hyper G/Alu Power also plays and looks great in my Phantom 93p, it's just not as comfy and it tires my arm a bit which the Scorpion never does. On carpet the balls are coming back at a very high speed and the impact is much harder than on clay. Due to the higher launch angle of the Scorpion, I can swing more natural and that makes it easier for me to not be overhitting. In my opinion the Scorpion is just an incredible string. Maybe for me, it's what the Velocity is for a lot of you. Holy Grail like. There are two downsides for me:
1. After about 2-3 hours of hard hitting, the sweet spot seems to be a little smaller than before. Maybe it's just my imagination. Still a great string though.
2. I don't really like the colour. Haha.
After the games of this season, I'll be trying the V Full Bed Natural at a higher tension. What tension would you recommend for a 93 sq inch 18x20 racquet? I'm interested in having not too much string movement (strings staying out of place.) I tried the black in 19 kilos but I couldn't realign my strings as fast as the server was ready to serve again... That was really annoying.
The Hyper G/Alu Power also plays and looks great in my Phantom 93p, it's just not as comfy and it tires my arm a bit which the Scorpion never does. On carpet the balls are coming back at a very high speed and the impact is much harder than on clay. Due to the higher launch angle of the Scorpion, I can swing more natural and that makes it easier for me to not be overhitting. In my opinion the Scorpion is just an incredible string. Maybe for me, it's what the Velocity is for a lot of you. Holy Grail like. There are two downsides for me:
1. After about 2-3 hours of hard hitting, the sweet spot seems to be a little smaller than before. Maybe it's just my imagination. Still a great string though.
2. I don't really like the colour. Haha.
After the games of this season, I'll be trying the V Full Bed Natural at a higher tension. What tension would you recommend for a 93 sq inch 18x20 racquet? I'm interested in having not too much string movement (strings staying out of place.) I tried the black in 19 kilos but I couldn't realign my strings as fast as the server was ready to serve again... That was really annoying.
D
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Don't know if anyone answered to this already but there is a 1,40 version in France as well:Velocity 15
HEAD VELOCITY MLT STRING REEL (200 METRES) - HEAD - String | Tennispro
<p>Do you love having good feel when you play tennis ? Are you looking for <strong>comfort</strong> ? Maybe a little more <strong>power</strong> ? Do not hesitate and get this <strong>Head Velocity MLT string</strong> as it insures superior life span
www.tennispro.eu
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Don't know if anyone answered to this already but there is a 1,40 version in France as well:
HEAD VELOCITY MLT STRING REEL (200 METRES) - HEAD - String | Tennispro
<p>Do you love having good feel when you play tennis ? Are you looking for <strong>comfort</strong> ? Maybe a little more <strong>power</strong> ? Do not hesitate and get this <strong>Head Velocity MLT string</strong> as it insures superior life span
Well ... my post was me and a little MS Paint "alteration"
... maybe I had a premonition
ttc2000
Rookie
I was very happy with V natural 16g/ hawk 17g in the Speed Pro Graphene 360.
I was up against a professional in the 35+ itf seniors and gave a good battle in the 1st set although the score doesn't really reflect it.
I should have capitalized the game points in the 6th game, but fail short.
It was 35 degrees Celsius+ out on court very tough.
I lost 2-6 in the 1st set and had 2 break points in the 5th game of 2nd set, but didn't convert even though I guessed right where he was going with his serve.
The control, spin was all there and feel was pretty good.
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ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
And now I came at the end to plough to the entire V-thread! A lot of very interesting posts in 4 days!!! I'm very tired!
You must have a high pain threshold ... it's going to leave a mark.
Dan D
Rookie
I’m marked for life.
I know now more unuseful things about Velocity than all my tennis mates together.I don't have any pain threshold. Yet!
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jmacdaununder2
Legend
Wow, the entire thread and didn't 'quack'...
Dan D
Rookie
What do you mean: Velocity don't suite well in a flexy frame? How can you managed to have Velocity in a flexi frame than: to have another tension than i stiff frames, to have poly in crosses or another thing?I just hit my old Yonex RDIS 200 lite with FB Velocity, and was reminded how strings can feel very different in different frames. The RDIS is around 61 stiffness, and the V1 Pros 68. As far as feel goes, Velocity feels better in the stiffer frame. But then I always had problem making strings feel good in the flexy RDIS ... while I played some of the best baseline tennis with it I every have. Unfortunately I just had the same experience with the RDIS ... 1) this does not feel right / as good 2) holy crap ... I'm not missing anything.
If the string loose tension very quickly in which way should it fit a flexy frame? When that occur in my Blades 104 2015 I can't play well. I need at least 55 lbs tension because of exactly what you said: the string loose tension and is very muted! In my case I tested with Lynx who is very soft in comparison with with other poly!OK ... this is really going to violate this thread .... but the current thought in my head is to try fb Volkl Cyclone Tour 16g in the Yonex ... maybe @50 since it loses so much tension quickly ... and see if 1) the power is good for the low powered RDIS ... and 2) my elbow doesn't protest. The RDIS has a much more open string pattern than the V1 Pro ... so I will break Velocity quicker. Also ... that open string pattern is begging for straight strings and some big topspin (mainly I'm thinking about my kicker serve for doubles).
Somebody stop me
I planed to have hybrid V/Lynx @ 54/60. After the strings settle I can get maybe 52/42. Even than I think that 42 is to low but the frame take no more than 60 in tension.fyi ... V1 Pro I have been playing matches with is about 11.4 oz, ... 3-4 HL. The Yonex is about 11.2 ... not sure on balance but closer to even balance ... say 1-2 HL. They are close enough so the difference in feel of Velocity pretty much comes down to flex. I bet I could take that fb V @52 to fb V @45 in the Yonex and it would feel better (just guessing). The Yonex is the only noodle/flexy racquet I have owned ... really have trouble making strings feel good compared to what I have been used to with stiff racquets. But ... Yonex with fb RPM Blast was about my best baseline tennis ever .... just never liked the feel. Can't have everything.
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Yep you got it - just going with 'crack/quack' re the avatar; mighty fine female Mallard if I'm not mistaken?I'm also in chock and amazed over my resilience, ha ha.
Maybe I'm going to "quack" later... Or I'm going to "bark" up the wrong tree. Or you meant like an apropos to my avatar?!
Dan D
Rookie
I don't know which sort is it.
The pic is aimed to be a joke. Is started from a joke in my family.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
You can pretty much ignore those comments about Velocity. What was going on there was brother Traffic and me had followed the Volkl V1 Pros and Velocity together, and he had recently got new racquet fever and dropped the V1 Pros. This planted the "different racquet" evil thought in my head ( pay back from me doing similar to him A LOT
) ... so I pulled out my old Yonex RDIS 200 and tried it again with Velocity. The RDIS RA is around 60ish ... it is the only non-stiff racquet I have played with. In the past, I played some of my best baseline tennis ever with it ... but always struggled to like the feel no matter what string I put in it. I played my best with RPM Blast in it @52.So ... that all was really more about me coming to grips with the fact that I prefer non-flexy racquets (although one 60 RA racquet is not enough of a sample) ... than how Velocity played in it. My V1 Pros are RA 68 with the Volkl arm friendly magic ... and it's about perfect for my preference.
Dan D
Rookie
Ok, I understand.You can pretty much ignore those comments about Velocity. What was going on there was brother Traffic and me had followed the Volkl V1 Pros and Velocity together, and he had recently got new racquet fever and dropped the V1 Pros. This planted the "different racquet" evil thought in my head ( pay back from me doing similar to him A LOT
So ... that all was really more about me coming to grips with the fact that I prefer non-flexy racquets (although one 60 RA racquet is not enough of a sample) ... than how Velocity played in it. My V1 Pros are RA 68 with the Volkl arm friendly magic ... and it's about perfect for my preference.
But in my situation, in generally, if the frame is soft (Blade 104 2015 59RA), if the string is soft (if I want to use a soft string) what can I do? I like to have a little bit of power in the racquet therefor I thought that with V in mains and Lynx in crosses should deliver enough power.
Otherwise I can take my 2 Pure Strike 98 2014 66RA and test them with Velo! But in this case maybe with FB Velo!!! Or even my Aero Pro Drive 2013 70RA who I have!
I bought my Blades because I want to take care of my arm and shoulder! Now it seams like I should go back to my PSs!!!
I don't know. I must to reflect more!
2nd Serve Ace
Hall of Fame
The blade 104 is a doubles stick. Is that your game? If so, V poly is a great option with some lead tape @ 3/9.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Nah ... we all have different preferences on feel and power preference. I would not go back to the 2014 PS .. based on my brief time with it and what I have read here ... probably an elbow risk. Yes ... for me with the Yonex ... it felt like the added flex was good against pace, but I wanted more pop generating my own pace (serve for example).
Dan D
Rookie
Yes, Blade 104 fit me. With Lynx 1.25 @55/55 I play very well with them. But the truth is that I can play well even with APD (who have now Sensation 1.25) and PS (with Sensation 1.25 also). I moved to Blade only because I want to test something who can lower the risk of TE. I don't have any issue for now (and I didn't hade in the past) but I want to test softer frame/string now before I do get into problems with that. I'm 57!
I also thought that I should test some lead and/or to make the frame heavier. But first I want to test "au naturel", ha ha.
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Dan D
Rookie
Yes of course: it's true.
I also like stiffer frame but if I can get a better result with PS and FB Velocity, I want to try that first! After that I can test Blade also.
I do not hade or have any TE issues! Yet!
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
btw ... I did not find the 2014 PS a powerful racquet. That might have been because I was coming from a Pure Drive.
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