Yeah it's a way to get added spin. Pros do it too, esp AmalgroAh...I wondered what that term meantThanks for posting the vid, now I know. I hit a lot of my backhands like that - on low balls, and closer to the net balls especially - it's the only way I can get the needed topspin.
I doubt you would find any slow mo of that helicopter bh. Its a match play thing and as I said its not really intentional. I'd say from watching match play that he does it maybe 10% of the time.Doing a windshield-wiper motion like that on a one-hander is a recipe for inconsistency. Even extremely high level players with pretty whippy backhands keep the wrist steady through the contact point. Here are some Almagro examples, and I can't think of too many pros with a whipper backhand than his.
Yeah I have seen him do it and I think even Fed onceGasquet style lmao
gasquet does it a lot and fed, usually on late shotsYeah I have seen him do it and I think even Fed once
It's been covered hereJust looks to be the consequence of a hitting swing path with an extreme SW grip. Not sure what the big deal is - think its another over-hyped term without actually meaning anything.
Yes. It's not a goal but happens in certain circumstances as you mentiongasquet does it a lot and fed, usually on late shots
kinda a last resort shot, more upward drive than horizontal. on the forehand we can get away with it because we can hit more power, but even nadal doesnt do it when going for winners when he is in good position...unless hes hitting a ridiculous angle
Haha, I'm still waiting for you to set me up with one!Josh, when you gonna get a tech job out here?
Find me 1 video of a pro doing the supination motion that Shroud does at 0:02, and I'll show you 10 that don't. You want a steady wrist for control -- the spin and power comes from the whole body rotation and arm leverage, not from the wrist and forearm supinating like that.I thought all the 1hbh pros did it, from Fed to Nico, Richard, and even Stan.
Something to do with using momentum to hit, allowing a loose wrist and relaxed shoulder, like a modern forehand only it's supination on the backhand topspin shots.
Wish I could do it, but I insist on hitting my backhands late and outside in sidespin, not from desire, but from lack of a tennis mind.
Yeah when I had a 1hbh I also did it sometimes unintentionally.I doubt you would find any slow mo of that helicopter bh. Its a match play thing and as I said its not really intentional. I'd say from watching match play that he does it maybe 10% of the time.
I certainly dont do it intentionally and one day it just happened and I had all kind of topspin, that I wasnt getting with that grip before.
Like I said, its like the Wegner stuff.
Thanks Shroud. I still don't get it - or more precisely, I do not understand the need to play around the wrist at all when having a OHBH with an extreme grip. I speak as a practitioner of this stroke - my main focus is the swing path, and without playing around my wrist I am able to generate tons of topspin (much more than my FH). I can hit it loopy and more direct, depending on my swing path.
JgThanks Shroud. I still don't get it - or more precisely, I do not understand the need to play around the wrist at all when having a OHBH with an extreme grip. I speak as a practitioner of this stroke - my main focus is the swing path, and without playing around my wrist I am able to generate tons of topspin (much more than my FH). I can hit it loopy and more direct, depending on my swing path.
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Not exactly a taboo, but I'd think that it's better to not consciously practise your backhand in that manner, since the finish is the result of the swing path which is a situational response to the incoming ball, much like most guy wouldn't consciously practise the buggy whip forehand, but it comes naturally when you're forced to hit the forehand with a steeper than normal swing path.Sadly we wouldn't have such a thread on the fh buggy whip but somehow it's taboo for the bh.
It's clear from match play that some high level bhs employ this trick.
Especially 01:14 and 01:18 look and sound very good.I actively did it today instead of letting it happen naturally. Check out the helicopter:
Thanks man. Was pretty happy considering its a new racquet (100gs lighter than normal) and well I haven't been hitting bhs like this in a long long while. Which often means it will suck the next time out!Especially 01:14 and 01:18 look and sound very good.![]()
Its funny because I was thinking that its like some advanced footwork technique that preps you for the next shot....Hmm... my first thought is that this seems like the most efficent route from the extended 1hbh finish position back to the ready position
ah someone that knows The power for the 1 hand backhand comes from the core as in the forehand The elbow and wrist are not involved at all before contact. The power comes from your biokinetic chainFind me 1 video of a pro doing the supination motion that Shroud does at 0:02, and I'll show you 10 that don't. You want a steady wrist for control -- the spin and power comes from the whole body rotation and arm leverage, not from the wrist and forearm supinating like that.
this adds spin. No mention of power.ah someone that knows The power for the 1 hand backhand comes from the core as in the forehand The elbow and wrist are not involved at all before contact. The power comes from your biokinetic chain
Spin is a form of powerthis adds spin. No mention of power.
Wait, now you've lost me... how does any footwork technique play into causing this finish?Its funny because I was thinking that its like some advanced footwork technique that preps you for the next shot....
that is mindblowing. Those loopy spinny shots never seem powerful. Its the flat cannons that seem to have the power. Like on the serve, no one ever talks about a kicker or a slice as being powerful, at least in regards to the flat serve.Spin is a form of power![]()
not saying it is related at all. It was a GENERAL comment. There is some footwork where the finish helps you recover better IIRC like this can help you get into ready position faster.Wait, now you've lost me... how does any footwork technique play into causing this finish?
Oh I gotcha. Yeah I was specifically referring to the hand returning to the ready position.not saying it is related at all. It was a GENERAL comment. There is some footwork where the finish helps you recover better IIRC like this can help you get into ready position faster.
Well... cheekiness aside... I think it depends on what you mean by power. Theres power in the "measurement of energy" sense, and then there's power in the "exert control over your opponent" sense.that is mindblowing. Those loopy spinny shots never seem powerful. Its the flat cannons that seem to have the power. Like on the serve, no one ever talks about a kicker or a slice as being powerful, at least in regards to the flat serve.
Sure I get it that you are putting the power into different things like spin or flat but really never heard some one equate the 2.
my feet find it majorly advanced...Oh I gotcha. Yeah I was specifically referring to the hand returning to the ready position.
Finish recovery footwork isn't really advanced though... but that's nitpicky stuff.
LMAO! Can you make that move off the screen and have me slowly helicopter up and out of the picture? That would be perfect!!Yee haw ya'll
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I would love to, though to be quite honest SPIN is a big issue. I never seem to be able to get enough on ANY shot. FH, BH kick, etc. never enough. Though in this bh vid I did notice at 30 and 34 sec the ball jumps from the spin. The 1st one jumps to the righthanders bh and the 2nd one jumps to the fh though not as much.Well... cheekiness aside... I think it depends on what you mean by power. Theres power in the "measurement of energy" sense, and then there's power in the "exert control over your opponent" sense.
My lil joke about "spin is a form power" is playing off the former sense... but if you want to get serious we could talk about spin as power using the latter sense.
Sure that all makes some sense. Though there is another vector. If there is external shoulder rotation the racquet is moving left to right in an arc AND say at 45 degrees toward the net, one can have BOTH power AND spin since the spin can and does come from the ESR and and supination.U guys understand vectors? The most power would come from a racket vector parallel to the ground so we call that 0 degrees, as we angle up we lose power and create spin the combination of the speed of the ball and the rotations of the ball are commonly known as tourque. A vector of 45 degrees give u a flat backhand , 60 degree vector is the average lift for a topspin backhand Pick your poison
Can your machine throw lobs for practicing overheads?This backhand needs its own special exhale:
Not really. If you put it on a chair it probably would be ok. But its not designed for ohCan your machine throw lobs for practicing overheads?