Help me choose a controllable power racket!

All decent option according to my research. My friend has a Gravity and playing with him tonight so i'll give it a test. Have tried Speed MP - was ok. Great on serve, so so on everything else, but I tested it on clay so not fair to conclude on that until I test on hard. Percept 100D, yes, definitely interests me. TennComm has been raving about it recently.
I’m curious if he switched to it.
I’m also in the market for a new frame.

Been hitting with the Gracity pro and while I enjoy it from the baseline - I am a bit concerned about how tired my shoulder got from serving. Could be the heat here in FL plus weight.
Part of my issue too is my hands sweat a lot and I need to change OGs every 3 games lol
 
I’m curious if he switched to it.
I’m also in the market for a new frame.

Been hitting with the Gracity pro and while I enjoy it from the baseline - I am a bit concerned about how tired my shoulder got from serving. Could be the heat here in FL plus weight.
Part of my issue too is my hands sweat a lot and I need to change OGs every 3 games lol
have you thought about making a fatter bevel on the buttcap so your hand doesn’t slip - not quite like Gasquet but 1/4 of the way - have you also thought about working on keeping your wrist super loose on the serve pronation? I’ve been working that a lot and bypassing my shoulder pain.
 
Then you need Volkl V-Dry my dude. Amazing at persisting through the highest loads of hand sweat.
My friend - I appreciate the recommendation.
However my 6 years in Florida - I’ve tried them all except those sweat /moisture wicking sleeves. Lol which are delivering Thursday.
 
Heard bad things about arm pain. is it true? i've had 2 shoulder operations in the last 20 years on my hitting arm. My pro stringer told me to keep away from it despite it being a great stick that does it all.
Apart from racquet choice, you should heavily(!) invest in strengthening your shoulder, bullet-proofing it for potential future injuries.
I also had a shoulder operation and have a very sensitive shoulder.
And I can absolutely assure you: strengthening your shoulder is a MUST. To a point where your family and friends will notice your muscles have grown in a recognizable way.
Especially for players like us with a handicapped shoulder.

It took me about 2 years after not having played tennis for over 20 years to build enough shoulder strength and now I‘m able to hit regularly without risking another shoulder injury.

Selecting the right racquet (I switched to the Pure Drive, even if I would‘ve never thought of switching to it) is also important, but without bullet-proofing your shoulder you still have a high risk of injury no matter which racquet.
 
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Apart from racquet choice, you should heavily(!) invest in strengthening your shoulder, bullet-proofing it for potential future injuries.
I also had a shoulder operation and have a very sensitive shoulder.
And I can absolutely assure you: strengthening your shoulder is a MUST. To a point where your family and friends will notice your muscles have grown in a recognizable way.
Especially for players like us with a handicapped shoulder.

It took me about 2 years after not having played tennis for over 20 years to build enough shoulder strength and now I‘m able to hit regularly without risking another shoulder injury.

Selecting the right racquet (I switched to the Pure Drive, even if I would‘ve never thought of switching to it) is also important, but without bullet-proofing your shoulder you still have a high risk of injury no matter which racquet.
100%, believe me i'm already doing it. I see a physio once a week, i'm in the gym 3-4 times a week and I focus on core, legs, shoulders, basically any muscle group related to tennis. I was a body builder in my late teens, but it was via a shoulder press accident that I initally dislocated my and tore my labrum in 2003. Fixed that, but I when I did my second surgery for a dislocated collar bone, the surgeon said one on my labral sutures had come undone. So I have 50% reduction of my shoulder stability. Sure doing loads of muscular work on it will help, but only to a degree. If I catch a one handed backhand a bit wrong, it can momentarily pop out and then I have to stop playing for the day and do band work for 2 days. The reality is, i'll probably need to have my first surgery redone. This is why when I play, sometimes when I swing it looks less than textbook, because i'm trying to play around my shoulder. I mean it’s not like i’m not strong from this pic I have loads of muscle mass, it’s the joint capsule inside that messed up.
 
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@pdparos78 - After working at length with @nintendoplayer in his thread ("Is the 93P the right choice for me?"), and now here with you, all I can say is, I admire you both for investing in your bodies the way you do. We all struggle with injuries at times, and tennis, despite how fun it is, certainly doesn't help with many of them. So doing the physical work outside of being on the court, including gentle, therapeutic work like yoga, becomes a necessity at some point (plus eating cleaner, quality sleep, etc.). I myself have started down that path and it's made a tremendous impact on not just my tennis but my general quality of life as well. So here's to those that take the time to honor the temple.
 
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@pdparos78 - After working at length with @nintendoplayer in his thread ("Is the 93P the right choice for me?"), and now here with you, all I can say is, I admire you both for investing in your bodies the way you do. We all struggle with injuries at times, and tennis, despite how fun it is, certainly doesn't help with many of them. So doing the physical work outside of being on the court, including gentle, therapeutic work like yoga, becomes a necessity at some point (plus eating cleaner, quality sleep, etc.). I myself have started down that path and it's made a tremendous impact on not just my tennis but my general quality of life as well. So here's to those that take the time to honor the temple.
Thanks mate - nice of you to say all this. You only get once temple so why not look after it.
Either way, I can't help but stay active and continue to push against aging by going up level after level of doing what it takes.
Biggest take away from this whole process that i've learned is that mobility, flexibity and effortless technique are probably the 3 most important things to improve 45+.
Without that strength and fitness will only result in more injuries.
Watch this space I guess!
 
@pdparos78 I play at similar level and have similar background in traditional player's racquets. I have great interest in and play with control and power hybrids. What @Trip wrote is very much on point. I would like to especially emphasize the importance of hybrid profile. I suggest demoing the Tfight ISO 305, or maybe even the next update coming early 2025 which is rumored to have lower swingweight. ISO 305 has a unique combination of power, control and forgiveness. Significant spin for a relatively closed string pattern. Still excellent for flat hitters - it's DNA is, undoubtedly, in Wilson ProStaff six.on 95. Being foam-filled, it's also gentle on the arm, if you can handle high swingweight. I like it on OHBH - stable and sweet.

I highly recommend racquet matching as some overspecced items approach 350 strung SW.
 
@pdparos78 I play at similar level and have similar background in traditional player's racquets. I have great interest in and play with control and power hybrids. What @Trip wrote is very much on point. I would like to especially emphasize the importance of hybrid profile. I suggest demoing the Tfight ISO 305, or maybe even the next update coming early 2025 which is rumored to have lower swingweight. ISO 305 has a unique combination of power, control and forgiveness. Significant spin for a relatively closed string pattern. Still excellent for flat hitters - it's DNA is, undoubtedly, in Wilson ProStaff six.on 95. Being foam-filled, it's also gentle on the arm, if you can handle high swingweight. I like it on OHBH - stable and sweet.

I highly recommend racquet matching as some overspecced items approach 350 strung SW.
Hey @Tranqville thanks for the advice - but I don't like Technifibre rackets - felt too light / stiff / hollow feeling, plasticky with a high resonance in its vibration. The Solinco Whiteout 305 18x20 felt way better. My old hitting partner has at TF40 - he can't handle returning my heavy balls with his TFight when i'm using the 97p. He pulls out his K Six One 95 and only then can we hit on the same level. He can generate power if the ball is slow with the TFight, but soon as I start sending over pace, the balls start hitting the net or he shanks. Not sure why - I guess his timing isn't so good, he's got lazy feet so maybe I can't blame the racket totally. I don't play much with him anymore as he can no longer keep up.
 
I don't like Technifibre rackets - felt too light / stiff / hollow feeling, plasticky with a high resonance in its vibration.
George Michael had an album called "Listen Without Prejudice", and that's my suggestion regarding ISO 305. It's none of the above - not too light, not stiff, not hollow feeling, not plasticy, and not vibrating. It's heavy, meaty, thuddy and solid. It feels like a modern version of six.one 95.

Tennis is a solitary sport, and as tennis players, we should focus on maxing our performance. For me personally, I do not care that much about the brand name written on a racquet. Give me a racquet that's called "Dogshit" painted in most obnoxious brown color, and I'm gonna love it if works for my game. Tennis is hard enough already to also worry about equipment paint.

When people in the forum ask for advise about racquets with disclaimer that they only want something from their favorite brand - I do not respond. They already made their mind, they do not care about my suggeston. As Mr. Wolf would say - "if my help is not appreciated, good luck, gentlemen." And now please, with sugar on top, hit with the damn racquet for 1 minuite, and then tell me.
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My friend - I appreciate the recommendation.
However my 6 years in Florida - I’ve tried them all except those sweat /moisture wicking sleeves. Lol which are delivering Thursday.

Have you tried the chalk stuff to apply to your hands to keep them dry? My hands sweat a lot too and I reapply that stuff about every 3 games or so but it does a good job :)
 
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George Michael had an album called "Listen Without Prejudice", and that's my suggestion regarding ISO 305. It's none of the above - not too light, not stiff, not hollow feeling, not plasticy, and not vibrating. It's heavy, meaty, thuddy and solid. It feels like a modern version of six.one 95.

Tennis is a solitary sport, and as tennis players, we should focus on maxing our performance. For me personally, I do not care that much about the brand name written on a racquet. Give me a racquet that's called "Dogshit" painted in most obnoxious brown color, and I'm gonna love it if works for my game. Tennis is hard enough already to also worry about equipment paint.

When people in the forum ask for advise about racquets with disclaimer that they only want something from their favorite brand - I do not respond. They already made their mind, they do not care about my suggeston. As Mr. Wolf would say - "if my help is not appreciated, good luck, gentlemen." And now please, with sugar on top, hit with the damn racquet for 1 minuite, and then tell me.
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Solinco White is top of my list - no one buys the Solinco, they all demo it and say it's great and then they buy the Yonex - if I was a that much of a brand ***** i'd be pining over a Head this or a Wilson that. My rackets are actually all blacked out (I customise and paint rackets). I couldn't care less about brand, I care about feel, specs and performance.

i.e. https://web.tresorit.com/l/s4Rae#OtLoZlYdWTjFXVmuVVlnrQ&viewer=mATJfEhyD7SSQsb2u4wpiz4ZMLmhdhAu

I didn't like the way the Tecnifibre felt - end of story. Same with Head Extreme Pro. I also tried a Pro Staff 97 last night strung with Champions Choice - also hated it. Maybe I needed a month to get used to it, but if I do that with every racket I wanted to try i'd be playing with a different racket every month for 3 years and my tennis would go down the drain completely.
 
Hey TT fam,

Some context.

I’m 46, but i’m fit and fast for my age. I’d say i’m around a 4.5 on a good day.
Here’s a very short clip of how I move and hit with my coach / hitting partner.

with coach (I was feeling a bit stiff that day and you can see i’m doing some
weird swings with my forehand as i’m trying to avoid my shoulder pain)
quick hit with older mate on this one


I’m ok at the baseline and have quick reflexes at net.

Currently using a Prince 97p
Before that I was using a K90 for 15 years and before that Prince Precision Response Ti for the previous 10 before that.

My shoulders are getting weaker and weaker due to a couple of shoulder ops in the past.

My trainer / hitting partner is an ex junior pro (played against Rune annd Musetti ans a junior so I consider myself lucky there) and although I can keep up with his pace staying relatively still soon as he moves me around, I can break down easily.

I need an easier to use and more powerful racket without losing that direct feeling and control i’m used to that suits my game.

Here’s a list of which i’ve only hit with the Solinco (which was great) and the Ezone 98 (which felt easy but super launchy and lacking feedback).

Eventually i’d like to compete in some seniors tournaments - nothing serious but I love tennis to a point of obsession (says my partner) and want to keep improving.

SOLINCO WHITEOUT 305 18x20 98

PRINCE ATS TEXTREME TOUR 98

WILSON BLADE 98

YONEX EZONE 98

YONEX PERCEPT 100 D

YONEX PERCEPT 100

WILSON RF01 300

DUNLOP FX500

BABOLAT PURE AERO 98

I’m confused as hell.
Where do I start?

Thanks fam

Power + Control ?

Start with PS X so you'll spare all other tests and demos
 
Power + Control ?

Start with PS X so you'll spare all other tests and demos
I was looking at the PS Six 100 V13, is it the same racket practically? The specs look good although the stifness is rather high, but then so is the Whitout 305 which I found comfortable. Depends on dampening.
Do you use it? What do you like about it? Michelle on TW said on her reiview that it would be a logical next racket for her as she gets older when the time comes to put down her RF97.
Someone actually has compared them here in this thread so no they're not the same exactly - layup is different! https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...pro-staff-x-and-pro-staff-six-one-100.759230/
 
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I was looking at the PS Six 100 V13, is it the same racket practically? The specs look good although the stifness is rather high, but then so is the Whitout 305 which I found comfortable. Depends on dampening.
Do you use it? What do you like about it? Michelle on TW said on her reiview that it would be a logical next racket for her as she gets older when the time comes to put down her RF97.
Someone actually has compared them here in this thread so no they're not the same exactly - layup is different! https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...pro-staff-x-and-pro-staff-six-one-100.759230/
It's not the same. PS X has some comfort, less stiff than RF01 Pro but still very very powerfull. And with a good control. About RF97 IDK.
 
Have you tried the chalk stuff to apply to your hands to keep them dry? My hands sweat a lot too and I reapply that stuff about every 3 games or so but it does a good job :)
Yessir. The prince resi stuff I’ve tried.
I’m in Georgia now waiting out milty.
The weather is perfect for tennis.
 
George Michael had an album called "Listen Without Prejudice", and that's my suggestion regarding ISO 305. It's none of the above - not too light, not stiff, not hollow feeling, not plasticy, and not vibrating. It's heavy, meaty, thuddy and solid. It feels like a modern version of six.one 95.

Tennis is a solitary sport, and as tennis players, we should focus on maxing our performance. For me personally, I do not care that much about the brand name written on a racquet. Give me a racquet that's called "Dogshit" painted in most obnoxious brown color, and I'm gonna love it if works for my game. Tennis is hard enough already to also worry about equipment paint.

When people in the forum ask for advise about racquets with disclaimer that they only want something from their favorite brand - I do not respond. They already made their mind, they do not care about my suggeston. As Mr. Wolf would say - "if my help is not appreciated, good luck, gentlemen." And now please, with sugar on top, hit with the damn racquet for 1 minuite, and then tell me.
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Look, i'm open to trying it again if you believe it's worth it, but his felt like it had this horrible 'tink' noise every time I hit it. I just checked the TW review and ok it was rated highly. To be clear I don't have a favourite brand. I go by feel and performance. I like some Volkl's, I liked the Solinco a lot. I hate the Clash from Wilson, but loved the Blade 93 and K90 in the past. Love older Yonex's, haven't played enough with Babolats to know. Again it's a case by case basis. Also the line goes: "pretty please, with sugar on top....." :)
 
@pdparos78 - Just FYI, I previously made a detailed comparison of the differences between the Six.One 100 and PS X here:

Normally, I would point most people to the PS X, but you're older-school and already use to what is more or less a smaller-headed version of the Six.One 100, so I'd have you try both.
 
Have you tried the chalk stuff to apply to your hands to keep them dry? My hands sweat a lot too and I reapply that stuff about every 3 games or so but it does a good job :)
Found new love for the Tourna Rosin Grip bottle. God send stuff for me.
 
Also, let's not ignore strings, which can influence impact sound greatly. For example, many poly's can sound very tinny/ping-y, especially at certain (higher) tensions, and strings can sound different in different frames as well.

So don't rule all of that out, either.
 
Awesome! I may try this stuff when my current one runs out. How often do you have to reapply?
Depends. On hot/humid day and I get v sweaty hands, I usually reapply small amount at every change of ends, or whenever I need to when the grip starts to twist
 
OK, time to chime in here and get you squared away. I researched all your previous posts, and combined with the discussion here, I think I've got a pretty good idea on the best fit for you.

Profile:
- Physical: 46-yo male, decently fit, shoulder injury/surgery history
- Level: 4.0-ish level (from what I'm seeing on the videos anyways)
- Mechanics: medium-length strokes, coordination and kinetic chain usage consummate with a 4.0-ish level
- Technique: Extreme eastern FH, OHBH
- Play Style: First-strike, baseline-centric all-courter (wants to end the point ASAP)
- Past Racquets: Heavier, more head-light, smaller-headed, thinner-beamed, boxy control frames (K90, 97P, etc.)

Goals:
- Close enough to past frames to not have to retool his entire game
- More forgiveness in general, including help while scrambling
- Easier ability to convert defense/neutral to precision offense
- High enough static and recoil weight for adequate shot tolerance when more stationary
- Better on more types of surfaces (clay, etc)
- Comfortable enough to not exacerbate his shoulder/arm issues

Best Specs:
I would look at a modern "pleener" (player/tweener cross-over frame) with the largest head size, most open pattern and firmest flex that is still maneuverable, precise and comfortable enough, specifically conforming to:
- Head Size: nothing <=97" (at your level, not enough routine upsides), only more forgiving 98's/99's, otherwise more balanced 100-102"
- Weight: 295-305g with minimal to moderate customization, or 310-315g with zero to minimal customization
- Beam: Hybrid-box, better for flatter striking, constant-width or close to it (for predictable response), >=22mm but <24mm at the mid-point (best power/control balance)
- Pattern: As open as is still precise enough, so probably semi-dense 16-mains, or open/accommodating 18-mains; very true/consistent string bed, minimal/zero hot-spots
- Swing Weight: mid-upper 320's SW strung to no more than 330-ish SW, for best balance of enough ease-of-maneuverability with enough plow/power
- Flex/Feel: as firm and direct as you can get away with, perhaps low-mid 60's RA and up to 140's Hz handle vibration
- Other: connected handle-to-hoop feel without an excessively flexy neck or fluttery hoop

All of that considered, here's what I would look at:
- Babolat Strike 98 16x19 (I think the 18x20 will be too demanding a string bed) - With handle weight, could be a winner. I'd only order via matching service, though, for the bottom end in swing weight.
- Babolat Strike 100 16x19 (I think you'd find the 16x20 too flexy/floppy, too high in RW and low in MGR/i ie. too slow/loopy) - With handle weight and controlled poly, this could be a winner.
- Dunlop CX 400 Tour - Along side the Strike 100, probably the highest power-to-weight ratio you'll want in a frame, but this is probably the most worthy "upper bounds test" of anything out there.
- Head Extreme Pro - Nice all-around performance. Will probably need light customization (heavier grip, perhaps a tiny bit of lead at 10 & 2 or 9 & 3 + 12), and very crisp strings to get enough feel. Worth a try though.
- Head Boom Pro - Definitely worth a try. Nice and solid on contact. Though the feel will be muted and a bit vague, so the absolute most crisp strings are a must, but if you can get over that, it could be a winner.
- Head Gravity MP (spec'd up) - I don't think you're going to find the Pro/Tour 18x20 + big tear-drop combo to provide enough definition or lift. And the MP might not either, but at least you'll get some easier lift/spin.
- Head Radical MP - I know there are those who are going to say Pro, but IMHO it's too low on power-to-weight. And even the MP might be. But possibly worth a try. Not outstanding at anything, but a great all-rounder.
- Prince ATS Tour 98 - Other than the 100P, this is probably the best choice for you from Prince. Just need to get one via matching service, because there are so many over-spec samples out there.
- Prince ATS Tour 100P - Like a Speed Pro but a better design for all-court/attacking. Lifts/spins/pops more like a 16-main, but with 18x20 level consistency and composition. Especially good at lower tension.
- Solinco WhiteOut 18x20 - Definitely worth a revisit. Going to need to be setup towards 330SW to hit as big a ball as you probably want, but if you can handle the SW, definitely worth another look.
- Tecnifibre TF40 16m (prob 315 over the 305, with a little tip weight) - On the fence here, as it's probably lower power-to-weight and ease-of-playability (esp. on clay) than you should really look at, but worth a try.
- Tecnifibre TFight 98's - IGA is a "can-I-control-it" like an EZ98, but more open. ISO 300 is questionable stock + finicky w/ customization. ISO 315 is clubby. ISO 305, despite the fanboy-ism, requires a 4.5+ IMHO.
- Wilson RF01 300g - Going to need a fair amount of customizing (handle weight, plus lead at 10 & 2), and low tension with shock-absorbing strings. Even so, may still not be forgiving enough. Still probably worth a try.
- Wilson Blade 100 v9 - Swap to a more heavy base grip, like a Gamma Hi-Tech, plus over-grip, and should be good. It does have at least a bit of that Blade -type balance, though, which may or may not agree with you.
- Wilson Pro Staff X - Almost ready-to-play in stock form. Slap on an over grip, maybe some very light hoop lead, and good to go. May feel a bit too sluggish overall, but definitely worth a try.
- Yonex EZone 98 - The main exercise with the EZ98 is learning to control it (as you've found out). Feel is meh and it can still behave a bit kludgy/clunky, but people win with it, so it could be worth more of your time.
- Yonex Percept 100 (maybe 100D) - Start with the 100, only go to the 100D if you absolutely feel the extra precision and 5g really adds that much to your game.

Of all of those in the list, I'd probably start with a revisit of the WhiteOut 18x20, to give yourself a baseline on what is, IMHO, the lowest-powered frame you should look at. Then, I would go right into testing your upper-bounds on power-to-weight, OHBH maneuverability and control-ability, with some mix of the Strike 100 16x19, CX 400 Tour and/or Percept 100 (not the D, at least not at first). If you like the head size but need to ramp down the power and/or increase the precision, then I'd look at the Tour 100P (which they do make in Carbon Gray now for Europe), Blade 100, PS X or P100D. If you don't like the head size and think that for whatever reason a sub-100" is where you want to stay, then I'd look at the ATS Tour 98, which I think will give you Strike 98 -level attacking capability, but with a more familiar feel and more versatility, presuming it's on-spec at 290-295sw unstrung (so as much as it stinks, you'd have to buy one, and do so via matching service – trust me on that one; you don't want one that's 300+SW unstrung, as many of them are). Other than the ATS 98, the Heads are decent, fairly disconnected in feel but play well enough, and for how flat you hit and want to play first-strike, potentially the Boom more so than the Extreme or GMP. The RF01 will be more raw and potentially attacking-capable, but it's not a very forgiving frame. And lastly the EZ98. Fairly numb, a bit kludgy and easily wild if you don't put extra emphasis on managing face angle and/or enough swipe, but, as I said and as you know, people win with it, so, yeah. The "easy" button, that you just have to learn to control (and stomach the mediocre feel).

Hope some/most of that helps. Any questions, feel free.
Update:
I ended up re acquiring a brand new Phantom Graphite 97 (I think my previous one had a crack in it).
Strung weight 337grams (lead under bumper and 7" up the handle) SW 330.
Strings: Klip Natural Gut mains 24kg, Ghostwire crosses at 23kg. These strings make this racket come alive. Serves bombs. Spin is good.
I think it's working for me. I've got that power I was looking for without compromising on control and feel.
I've switched to a semi-western grip on the forehard, loosened up my wrist and arm a lot and have improved by biomechanics considerably along with footwork.
Things are clicking a lot more. Let's see how I hold up with my training partner once I get back to Greece from Aus - it will be interesting to see how much I get pushed around now.
 
Controllable power frames - immediately comes to mind is tfight 315 and pro staff 97.
Gravity pro is going to be more demanding now that I think of it.

I guess another racket that seems to be in that same mix is the pure aero 98.
 
Controllable power frames - immediately comes to mind is tfight 315 and pro staff 97.
Gravity pro is going to be more demanding now that I think of it.

I guess another racket that seems to be in that same mix is the pure aero 98.
The OP is looking for more free power and maneuverability and PS97 is not going to give him that.

I'd say the Blade or Percept or Pure Aero lines would be a better fit for what he is looking for.
 
Controllable power frames - immediately comes to mind is tfight 315 and pro staff 97.
Gravity pro is going to be more demanding now that I think of it.

I guess another racket that seems to be in that same mix is the pure aero 98.
it seems everyone settles on the Aero 98!
 
The OP is looking for more free power and maneuverability and PS97 is not going to give him that.

I'd say the Blade or Percept or Pure Aero lines would be a better fit for what he is looking for.
once I can get my hands on demos I’d be happy to try them all - I want to try the rf01 too
 
@pdparos78 - As I said in our PM exchange, sounds like you found a fit, at least for now. Compared to the recently-discontinued Phantom 97P, it appears the Graphite 97 has a bit better better power-to-weight ratio (5 grams lighter, with a bit thicker mid and upper beam), so that's a benefit:

From among all 97's available (Strike, Pro Staff, Percept, etc), it's probably just as playable as any of them overall. That said, I'll be curious to see if it offers enough consistent easy depth, forgiveness and general assistance as you play with it in more and more scenarios. Best of luck and keep us updated!
 
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@pdparos78 - As I said in our PM exchange, sounds like you found a fit, at least for now. Compared to the recently-discontinued Phantom 97P, it appears the Graphite 97 has a bit better better power-to-weight ratio (20 grams lighter, with a bit thicker mid and upper beam), so that's a benefit:

That said, it's advertised to have a 285sw unstrung, which equates to roughly a 315-ish strung SW (with full-bed poly). That may or may not offer you enough plow-through and easy-enough consistent depth, depending on how you string it and the aggressiveness with which you play, so a bit of hoop lead may be required, but playing a gut/poly or non-poly/poly hybrid will certainly help find that extra bit of depth for sure. As for whether it offers you enough forgiveness and free performance, you'll have to figure that out on your own over time, but at least among all of the 97's left out there, it's probably as good a choice as any, provided you customize and string it the most optimally for your game. Best of luck and keep us updated.
there are actually 2 phantom graphite 97s. one is 315g with a 290 average sw (mine was unfortunately around 280 unstrung).
 
Ahh yes. Thanks for the catch, @tele. Don't know how I ended up on the 300g one. The 315 makes a lot more sense for @pdparos78, and is what I was initially thinking of anyways.

Fixed it in my initial reply!
 
My shoulders are getting weaker and weaker due to a couple of shoulder ops in the past.

I need an easier to use and more powerful racket without losing that direct feeling and control i’m used to that suits my game.
Good news is that a racket which is easier on the shoulder should also be more powerful. Bad news is that feel is too subjective for anyone to know exactly what will work for you.

But you can definitely help out your shoulder by changing to a racket which is lighter. Reducing the static weight by 15 grams (305g unstrung) should provide a moderate change, a noticeable one, but not overwhelming. Going for a change smaller than that doesnt make a meaningful difference in the long run.

There are Prince Tour and Phantom rackets which are exactly 305g, probably the best options to ease your mind into a different racket. With that being said, i would also suggest that you try one 290g Prince Tour/Phantom racket. Yes, a very drastic change, but probably an even better one regarding your shoulder.

Make it easier on yourself to decide by sticking to the brand you use, and a model which is marketed as what you think you want. Just make sure to try out both the 305 and 290 gram options. There might be a pleasant surprise awaiting you.
 
Ahh yes. Thanks for the catch, @tele. Don't know how I ended up on the 300g one. The 315 makes a lot more sense for @pdparos78, and is what I was initially thinking of anyways.

Fixed it in my initial reply!
Yes i’m using the 300g one but added a little under the bumper and handle so static unstrung weight is at 310g! 337g final weight!
 
Good news is that a racket which is easier on the shoulder should also be more powerful. Bad news is that feel is too subjective for anyone to know exactly what will work for you.

But you can definitely help out your shoulder by changing to a racket which is lighter. Reducing the static weight by 15 grams (305g unstrung) should provide a moderate change, a noticeable one, but not overwhelming. Going for a change smaller than that doesnt make a meaningful difference in the long run.

There are Prince Tour and Phantom rackets which are exactly 305g, probably the best options to ease your mind into a different racket. With that being said, i would also suggest that you try one 290g Prince Tour/Phantom racket. Yes, a very drastic change, but probably an even better one regarding your shoulder.

Make it easier on yourself to decide by sticking to the brand you use, and a model which is marketed as what you think you want. Just make sure to try out both the 305 and 290 gram options. There might be a pleasant surprise awaiting you.
yes, the Prince tours are also on my list to try assist a matter of getting my hands on all of those it’s a lot of money and time, but as I get the chance I’ll definitely try them all!
 
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yes, the Prince tours are also on my list to try assist a matter of getting my hands on all of those it’s a lot of money and time, but as I get the chance I’ll definitely try them all!
Well, if you are using a 300+10g one (i thought 315g) then i would advise you to try to switch only to the 290g Princes
 
there are actually 2 phantom graphite 97s. one is 315g with a 290 average sw (mine was unfortunately around 280 unstrung).
I see a Rebel in your profile pic. i’ve got a 98 on the way that I found super cheap brand new. What are they like?
 
I see a Rebel in your profile pic. i’ve got a 98 on the way that I found super cheap brand new. What are they like?
my rebel is a 95, but had the exo3 tour 98 for a little while, which I believe is basically the same racquet as the rebel 98 with a different paint job. The 98 is definitely a platform frame(no trap door though!). I would say it is more spin friendly (I found it particularly good for hitting sharp angles and kick serves) than the graphite 97 and feels a little less bulky through the air due to the beam and hoop shape. It has a hoop shape similar to the ats tour but with a thinner, less boxy beam. It also has a slightly lower sweet spot than the graphite 97. power is not that high.

The sensation on impact is unique. The graphite 97 has more of a solid feel, while the tour 98 is a little more "airy" (for lack of a better word). However, you can still tell where you are making contact. I liked it but ended up selling it to try an ats tour 98 and am back to using 18x20s as my main sticks. I am curious to hear what you think when you get it.
 
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my rebel is a 95, but had the exo3 tour 98 for a little while, which I believe is basically the same racquet as the rebel 98 with a different paint job. The 98 is definitely a platform frame(no trap door though!). I would say it is more spin friendly (I found it particularly good for hitting sharp angles and kick serves) than the graphite 97 and feels a little less bulky through the air due to the beam and hoop shape. It has a hoop shape similar to the ats tour but with a thinner, less boxy beam. It also has a slightly lower sweet spot than the graphite 97. power is not that high.

The sensation on impact is unique. The graphite 97 has more of a solid feel, while the tour 98 is a little more "airy" (for lack of a better word). However, you can still tell where you are making contact. I liked it but ended up selling it to try an ats tour 98 and am back to using 18x20s as my main sticks. I am curious to hear what you think when you get it.
Yes it will be interesting. For 35 AUD you can’t go wrong. I can always sell it if I don’t like it. Never played with exo ported racket before. Was thinking to get my wife to try it alongside the Head XT Speed MPA I picked up and she can choose between them.
 
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my rebel is a 95, but had the exo3 tour 98 for a little while, which I believe is basically the same racquet as the rebel 98 with a different paint job. The 98 is definitely a platform frame(no trap door though!). I would say it is more spin friendly (I found it particularly good for hitting sharp angles and kick serves) than the graphite 97 and feels a little less bulky through the air due to the beam and hoop shape. It has a hoop shape similar to the ats tour but with a thinner, less boxy beam. It also has a slightly lower sweet spot than the graphite 97. power is not that high.

The sensation on impact is unique. The graphite 97 has more of a solid feel, while the tour 98 is a little more "airy" (for lack of a better word). However, you can still tell where you are making contact. I liked it but ended up selling it to try an ats tour 98 and am back to using 18x20s as my main sticks. I am curious to hear what you think when you get it.
whats your main stick?
 
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whats your main stick?
I have been playing mostly with an ig mid I bought for honing technique and ended up loving. For times when I have to play more defensively, I keep the ats 98 in my bag. I still love the rebel 95(thin beamed 18x20), but it is not that much more forgiving than the ig mid, and I do not want to switch between racquets too much.

35 AUD is a great price for NOS. Did you get the standard version or the team version? Either way, I think it will probably benefit from some weight at the tip.
 
It’s the standard version. I also picked up a Youtek Prestige 98 - I have a Pro Staff 95 I use as a training racket too sometimes. Oh I didn’t mention I have a Graphite 93 too! Have you ever played with one?
 
It’s the standard version. I also picked up a Youtek Prestige 98 - I have a Pro Staff 95 I use as a training racket too sometimes. Oh I didn’t mention I have a Graphite 93 too! Have you ever played with one?
no. they sold out quickly and the ones that have popped up on the used market have been expensive. I once played doubled against someone who had one and he could absolutely bludgeon the ball with it, though I think he could have done so with whatever he was holding. How does it compare to the 97?
 
no. they sold out quickly and the ones that have popped up on the used market have been expensive. I once played doubled against someone who had one and he could absolutely bludgeon the ball with it, though I think he could have done so with whatever he was holding. How does it compare to the 97?
Compared to the 97, it's got more mass but slightly easier to swing, it's more direct but slightly less power so you have to swing harder, it rewards good timing. Flatter ball, less spin. I'd imagine Federer would have liked it around 2010 to transition away from his 90. Generally it feels great. Solid response. To be fair both of these are tricky to slice with as they're thicker beamed. You can't knife it like you would with the 97 / 93p's.
 
Compared to the 97, it's got more mass but slightly easier to swing, it's more direct but slightly less power so you have to swing harder, it rewards good timing. Flatter ball, less spin. I'd imagine Federer would have liked it around 2010 to transition away from his 90. Generally it feels great. Solid response. To be fair both of these are tricky to slice with as they're thicker beamed. You can't knife it like you would with the 97 / 93p's.
sounds really nice. I would like to see how the 97 would play with the throat thickness/stiffness as is but with a less severe taper to a max thickness of 21 or 21.5 mm, but I am guessing the next iteration, which is due on a few months, will not be a different mold.
 
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Wilson Ultra Pro v4?!?
Probably because, considering the thread title, your info, video footage, etc. most of us, myself included, probably weren't thinking of yet another 97" control frame. Granted, the UP is a bit higher-powered than the 97P, but still, I wouldn't class it as a "controllable power racquet" at all. That would be more along the lines of most of my original list, especially stuff like the EZ98, etc.

Based on how this thread has gone, though, I think it's evident you actually seem more intent on a much smaller deviation away from what you're used to, ie. the most easily-maneuvered control frame that satisfies whatever baseline level of power and forgiveness that you think you need (which doesn't appear to be much), then augmented with swing weight and an explosive-enough string bed (gut hybrid, etc) – ie. an older-school style setup. Which is fine. If that's really what you want. And if that's the case, then we're back into the realm of the following:

- Babolat Strike 97, with a bit of hoop lead
- Dunlop CX 200 2024, with significant hoop lead
- Dunlop CX 200 Tour 16x19 2024, with moderate hoop lead
- Head Gravity Tour 98, with some handle weight
- Head Prestige MP or MP-L spec'd up
- Head Radical Pro, or MP w/ handle weight, either with a little bit of hoop lead
- Prince ATS Tour 95 or 98, maybe 100P w/ a tiny bit of hoop lead
- Solinco WhiteOut 18x20, with weight butt cap or leather, plus a tiny bit of hoop lead
- Tecnifibre TF40, whatever weight/pattern variant you like most
- Wilson Ultra Pro v4 16x19, with a fair amount of hoop lead
- Wilson Pro Staff 97 v14
- Yonex Percept 97, with a bit of hoop lead
- Yonex Percept 100D, with a tiny bit of lead at 12

Boutique:
- Angell TC, React or K7 - Whatever head, pattern and weight/balance class
- Heysil Tour 98 16x19

At the end of the day, for 4.0+/low-4.5-ish or higher singles on clay, I think you're ultimately going to end up wanting more general assistance and forgiveness from a frame, than a good portion of sub-21mm beamed, lower-powered <=100's can give you. As for whether that makes stuff like the Ultra Pro, your PG97, or similar, still appropriate enough, I guess you'll have to vet for yourself. From my view, it may depend on your journey. If most of your "competition" ends up consisting of a bit older-aged and/or older-school type players, wielding similar frames as to where you're coming from, you might not have much issue. Or, you may run into enough newer-school competition who, aside from being younger and/or more athletic, may be availing enough assistance from more tweener-ish frames, that it compels you to do so as well. Hard to tell right now. Either way, though, I think most here will be interested to see how it pans out, so do keep us updated!
 
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