Help me decide my racquet for 2024, and put an end to the racquetholism (for at least a year)

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tjanev

Rookie
Not sure about your level as I haven't watched the videos but if you're 3.5 or 4 then I think your journey should be about picking from one of the 3 categories and going from there. Power , spin, control. Start critiquing your game to match one of those 3. Everyone wants to look like fed or Nadal but we all have our own styles and it won't evolve much from there.

Narrow it down to one of the three and then compare from that racquet type characteristic.

For example. I hit heavy plow through, 1hbh . Very little swipe up but get topspin from pronation as I follow through. I also wanted head heavy and an even width frame.

After all that I went with the whiteout 16x19 xtd. Control racquet that I supply power for. Thin beam width, head heavier because of extended and then I added 12 grams at 10 and 2. Hyper g 17g 58m56c is my go to after a lot of strings tried.

As you can tell, I can't break away from my old 360g Dunlop max impact plus. Old habits die hard.
 

curtstead

Professional
I’m curious if you’ve considered the Pro Staff 6.1 100. It seems like it alleviates the issues you have with the sledgehammer RF97, but with a more connected feel (and more power) than a Blade. If control is an issue, string it a bit tighter with a rough poly like Alu Rough. The static weight should feel good and hopefully it’s stable enough. If not you can just add a bit of lead at 3 and 9.

See my most recent post :cool:
 

K1Y

Professional
Woah, that's alot of reading I did. Good discussions. I think it's quite simple. Pick one of the two rackets that worked (prestige mpl and blade 100) and you like the most. Important that you like it so you dont end up switching again. Really if your goal is to improve it doesnt matter which one you pick. Id go for the blade 100, dont mod it, and string it with some luxilon since it looks like you have enough money anyway. Can't go wrong, no reasons anymore to blame equipment.
 

curtstead

Professional
LOL. Thank you for making me feel better about my holcing.
Lmao, man I know it’s bad. Whenever anyone thinks their holic’ing can’t get worse, I am happy to be their reminder that yes, yes it in fact can get worse.

Is what it is at this point, at least feel closer to stopping it than ever by firing this thread up.
 

ACT

Rookie
2019 Gravity Pro - Tried an underspec one for a few months. At times, I WANTED this frame to be it soooo bad. The huge sweetspot, the stability, the plow through power, the control, god it was so good. Yet, the sluggishness on the one handed backhand was just a bit too much, and 18x20 is a pattern I can't seem to figure out. So many balls fly on me with 18m, or I put in the net.

I've gone even lighter than before with Gpro - used to be 332g maybe around 6pts HL, 332 SW

now it's 2021 Gravity Pro - 327g, 335sw, around 4.5pts HL - 1.20mm mains, 1.23mm cross, static weight includes overgrip and dampener

Maintains a much faster speed, less tiring, bit more suitable for the one hander, and longer matches for serving, maintains power qualities, it does lose stability but made up with the extra manoeuvrability and racquet head speed, therefore timing is probably easier, but since it's still decent swingweight, it shouldn't get pushed around too easily

Pair with a very sharp or shaped main, like T1 Firewire or Volkl V square to bump the lower 18x20 launch angle and spin potential

I don't know if anything will beat this spec here

+5g static actually slows me down quite alot btw
 
I read most of this but not every single post closely so apologies if I missed it. Wow there have been quite a few detailed posts in this thread haha

Bit late to the party but I just wanted to toss in the Pro Kennex Q+5 Pro into the mix if it hasn't been mentioned, the yellow one that hopefully they update soon. Curious if you tried it and what you thought, although I understand you are on a deadline and already have a Pro Kennex on trial. Trying to keep close to the RF97, and keeping in mind your strokes I have a feeling this may suit better and something to consider later unless there is something specific you like about either the 7g or 5g more.

The Black Ace 100 315g is also a good contender, which is more like a Blade to me, but I see you've already tried the Pro.

Other than racquets I wanted to chime in and say I watched a bit of the videos and think you should stick to shaped or textured strings. For your serve and backhand. Should also keep working on contact point and snap on serve. I can see why you like a bit of pop for more help on it, and you have a good swing path for both strokes, but I think you need to work on contact and the angle of follow through on the backhand.

Someone earlier commented they liked one of your opponent's serve motion in a video, but I actually like yours better. The point at contact and after is an issue for me. Strings and conditions also do play a huge component to how a racquet play and feels. I think you've probably been too easily influenced by results on certain nights in the past to decide how a racquet completely plays, but I've found certain things about a racquet will either suit me or just won't whatever string it has in it.

Btw OP's holy grail racquet is probably the RF97/98 with a slightly tapered beam and 330g unstrung static weight. Wilson has not and will not ever make this racquet, for clear business reasons. Yonex accidentally got close for many people with the DR 98 and has not gone back to that mold since. Also Prince will not release a true Tour 97/98 in a mold similar to the 95s and 100s.
 

Chairman3

Hall of Fame
UPDATE:

1.) Now in hand, the Kinetic Classic 5G and what I have since learned is the new version of what used to be called the Eurostaff in the holic thread, aka the Pro Staff Six.One 100. Strung up, gripped, and ready for my USTA team practice tonight, along with a doubles flex league playoff match (I don't mind bringing it in to this specific match, I don't have much emotionally invested, so if anything it feels like a great opportunity to get some match pressure with them both).

The 5G looks nice in person, and I don't think this paintjob looks very dated at all. It's not my favorite paintjob, but I've seen posters crap on it and I don't see why. Nice frame. Excited to try it, and swings nicely in shadow swings outside my office.

The V14 6.1 100 is just gorgeous. The glossy paint job is fantastic, and feels nice in hand. Doesn't feel like a 100 to me, more like a 99 with the oval shape, kind of like my Prestige MP-L. I remember we all HATED the photos of the V14 Pro Staff when it first came out, and once I hit with the 97s I liked it much more in person. This glossy version though?? Wow. Swings very nice when I stepped outside with it to do some shadow swings. Feels very fast.

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2.) I posted with the hopes of replies, and one that was commonly brought up was the Shift 300. Out of respect for the posters taking time to leave their opinion, it feels only right to at least give it a go. My friend who is loaning me his Gravity MP also has a Shift 300. Given that I believe five posters mentioned the Shift 300, I will be getting that from him soon as well. It's the Pro Labs version, and he strung it with Restring Zero 17g, I don't know what tension. Regardless, I will soon get to try it as well.

That's all I got for now. Will post my initial hit thoughts either tonight or tomorrow morning.

-Curtis
I liked the regular PS97 V14 paintjob in person, but man it looks good on that racquet in gloss.
Tempts me to try one just because it looks so good
 

Myrko

Rookie
I played the RF97 for 2 years too.

Please look at the Yonex Ezone DR 98 - it has also a lot of plow (what you usually always miss from the RF97) and is awesome in every other regard. You need to look for it on auction site etc.

Also good: Tecnifibre T-Fight 305 ISO for RF 97 players, but you need to put weight in the handle.
If you want to stick with Wilson, the PS97 v14 is a nice option.
I also hear great things about the Solinco Whiteout 18x20 (a racket I'm going to try next).
 
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ohplease

Professional
I liked the regular PS97 V14 paintjob in person, but man it looks good on that racquet in gloss.
Tempts me to try one just because it looks so good

Not to complicate things, but I know several people who've switched to the ps97 v14 from various rf generations and to a person they're playing much better tennis with the reduction in weight
 

Chairman3

Hall of Fame
Not to complicate things, but I know several people who've switched to the ps97 v14 from various rf generations and to a person they're playing much better tennis with the reduction in weight
I wonder if more recent production is coming in with lower swingweights.
The v14 demo I used very early after release was a little slow swinging but also didn't pack a punch like the RF does. A bad combo
 

puppybutts

Hall of Fame
To summarize OP's comments, this is what I"m hearing:
  • you like the power of plow-through, but not the sluggishness on your 1HBH - maybe have to admit to yourself you're not in shape enough to handle heavier racquets
  • you prefer the feel of stiffer frames and don't like noodly or muted racquets
  • 97 and below is too small for head size
  • frames you liked best: prostaff RF, VCore 98, EZone 98, Pure Strike, Gravity Pro
  • It sounds like you enjoy an isometric head, based on your comments on Yonex frames and the Boom Pro
    • btw I also loved the Boom Pro but found the feel to be too warbly and muted
Here are my thoughts:
  • You need to make a choice on what you're going to compromise. Any racquet you choose will be a compromise. And for a lot of players, that means choosing between plow-through or maneuverability. You've commented many times you like X racquet because of the power and plow-through, but also you didn't like X racquet because it's too heavy or sluggish
  • It sounds like a racquet without too much dampening, mid-60s RA, mid beam thickness, 98-100 is up your alley
  • I'm going to ignore your comments about X racquet resulted in more UEs. Again, I think that's a choice you have to make. Do you want more power with more risk for UEs, or more control with less access to power? Personally, I think more rec players need to value power in their racquets.
Honestly, my first recommendation is simply trying the EZone 98 again, with a more comfortable string, and at least 4lbs lower tension. Lower tension might resolve your low launch angle and comfort issues. I would also try the VCore 98 with a more crisp string and higher string tension. Sorry if those recs are underwhelming after all that, but sometimes I think the simplest changes are best, and I try to stick with what stood out most positively to someone for racquet recs.
 

TennisHound

Legend
Post 6 (and final one for the day)

So if you managed to read through all that and get all the way here, I thank you so much for your time. You didn't have to, and as if there wasn't a million other things happening in the world today, yet you spent some time here. I appreciate you.

I sense just by starting this thread, I am finally coming closer to the finish line of my long racquet journey. I am so ready to be done with this, believe me. I will finish up with what I think I'm looking for, and my current five considerations for my 2024 Tennis Year.

Power: I like power, I don't like anemic frames, but not too much of it. Think of something less powerful than the Pure Drive, but more powerful than a Blade 98 v8.

Control: I emphasize control more than power, but not by much. I love consistent stringbeds where I can confidently change directions and go for targets, but it doesn't have to be pinpoint level control either. Think less controlled than the Pro Staff 97/Gravity Pro, but more controlled than the Prince ATS Tour 100 310.

Feel: I NEED feedback. I cannot jive with muted feel. I can deal with slightly muted with string sensitivity, as Grapplesnake Tour Sniper brought more feedback out of the Vcore 98 '23 for example. I don't need Pro Tour 2.0 level feedback, but I need more than the Pure Strike/Pure Aero lines.

Maneuverability: Doesn't need to be super whippy, but not cumbersome either. More maneuverability than the Gravity Pro, but not as whippy as the Tecnifibre Tempo 298 IGA, for example.

Stability: As long as it's not flimsy, I can make it work. I don't mind customizing to help with this. Looking for more stability than the Blade 98 v8 16x19, but doesn't have to be anywhere near a Gravity Pro, Prestige Tour, RF97, for example.

Forgiveness / Ease of Use: I underrated this for far too long. I don't need an easy to use Ezone 100/Pure Drive level forgiving frame. I just need something where I can trust it to help me when I'm not playing my best. Nowhere near a Vcore 95 2021, RF97, TF40 315 2021, for example. A decent sized sweetspot or more would be nice.

Serve: This frame needs to be good on serve. Good power, good spin, versatility.

As I continue to field calls from all my local reps from the biggest retailers in the world (totally not sarcasm), I currently have five frames I am considering for next year. Based on my footage posted, I am curious if you all agree with that, if you have suggestions for frames I haven't tried or maybe gave up on too quickly (I did this many times.) If there's something I listed that I didn't love, I am open to trying literally anything again. I could have had the wrong string, the stock specs may have been bad cause we all know today's quality control is horrible, etc.

I am just very much looking forward to finally putting this journey to an end, at least for a year. I want to focus my time on court hopefully winning matches and improving my game. I hope you all can assist, as many posters seem very knowledgeable on this than most people I run in to in real life, including most Brick and Mortar tennis shop owners who get stuff wrong ALL of the time.

I look forward to posting more as the journey goes on. The Curtstead Thread. Thank you so much for your time and your help, and I look forward to deciding on my next frame basically for good.

My current 5 considerations, in as close an order as I can rank them, and 1 and 2 are basically tied for first:
1.) Head Prestige MPL 2023
2.) Wilson Blade 100 v8
3.) Solinco Whiteout XTD 18m
4.) Yonex Vcore 98 2023
5.) Pro Kennex 7G


Honorary Mention:
Angell React MPP 18x19

Regards,

Curtis
So, you gonna go with the Blade 100 or Head PMPL?

There’s always the weighted up Blade Team
 

Soundbyte

Hall of Fame
I'm shocked people are still commenting when I already pointed you in the direction of your 2024 frame with the Pro Kennex 5G!
But seriously, this thread took off way more than I think anyone anticipated it would. Which means there's very high likelihood of this becoming meme-material next year when you inevitably switch from the TBD racket you'll be playing with for a few months!
 

Tennis1337

New User
Post #2:

Now, the crazy part. Here's a list of the frames I have either demo'd or owned over the last two years, along with any notes I have in memory from trying the frame. I'll Pro/Con any frames I've spent significant time with, and even post videos of frames I've played with on camera. I currently am a 4.0, aggro baseliner trying to convert to more all-court style. Eastern FH, and OHBH.

Yonex:

2021 Vcore 95 - mained this for a few months, modded, good frame, too demanding. Serving was great, but tough frame to use when I got tight. Just unforgiving, even if it's an "easy to use" 95.

2021 Vcore Pro 97 - Could never get this to work, just too flimsy and underpowered, even with mods fixing stability. I've heard Roman prokes state everyone could use this frame. I love Prokes's work, but I don't agree with this.

2022 Ezone 98 - Best serving racquet I've ever used, hands down. So many free points on serve compared to most frames I've used, but groundstroke UEs went up. The trajectory and launch angle was just weirdly (at the time of when I played it) low for a 16x19, and could obviously be the dense nature of the string pattern. Still own one, could certainly be open to trying again. Last tried it with Weiss Cannon Ultra Cable at 48#. Also.... hurt my wrist. :-(

2023 Vcore 98 - This one I still have two of, my most recent "main", at least for a few months. Felt like I could blast away when prepped early, thought the frame was very versatile. However, could just be too launchy and erratic. Also, the lack of feedback and muted feel is something I just can't seem to get along with. Here's footage of me playing a semi-final with the Vcore 98 a few months ago. I'm friends with the opponent, who played at a lower level D3 school, and it was just a very intense match. Forgive my outbursts, lol. It got pretty bad at times. RIP the Vcore 98 I threw at the wall after the match. I still own two of them. Totally a candidate to stick with.

Vcore 98 '23 match

Head:

2021 Radical Pro - Liked the plow, thought this one could really work but just wasn't for me.

2021 Head Boom Pro - This racquet SHOULD work. Enough plow, good stability, good power, felt nice on the one handed backhand, yet this frame just doesn't fully work for me. I still own one. Just... idk. Maybe the muted feel? Felt very disconnected, and the launch angle is something I find similar to the Ezone 98. So a few more errors than normal.

2019 Gravity Pro - Tried an underspec one for a few months. At times, I WANTED this frame to be it soooo bad. The huge sweetspot, the stability, the plow through power, the control, god it was so good. Yet, the sluggishness on the one handed backhand was just a bit too much, and 18x20 is a pattern I can't seem to figure out. So many balls fly on me with 18m, or I put in the net.

2022 Speed Pro - Tennisnerd actually recommended this to me, and I wanted to love it. Felt good on the one hander, too. In the end, felt too many balls were coming back, felt I wasn't really pressuring my opponents as much, and UEs crept up here, too. Good stick though, can tell it's just not for me.

2022 Speed MP - I own one, and like this stick a lot. However, it's very muted, and I don't love muted feel on frames. Gives me less confidence to swing out when I need to, especially in tight moments. Also didn't love the balance, feels very head heavy at times which I HATE on the OHBH, but this can obviously be fixed with some tungsten putty in the handle. Open to a revisit.

2023 Prestige MP-L - I'll condense the 2021 into this as well, as they play almost identical. This is definitely a candidate for 2024, as it's the ultimate platform stick on the market right now, IMO. I love the versatility of the frame, the spin is good, and launch angle is consistent. String bed plays pretty consistent. Yet, sometimes, balls fly where I feel like I get easier spin elsewhere. I currently have mine moded with a leather grip, OG, 5g in the buttcap, 1g at 12, and 2g at 3 and 9. Yet sometimes... I just feel like I'm missing something. I don't serve the best with it, sometimes power isn't as much as I want, etc. See match footage below from a few days ago. The feel itself is nice.

Prestige MP L match

2020 and 2022 Head Extreme Tour - Man, I wanted to love these frames. In many ways, I do. Pretty easy spin although lesser end for a "spin" frame, imo, control was pretty good, really comfortable. Felt like I played very consistent tennis. Just felt underpowered, little penetration through the court, at least in stock form. I know people have said this is a frame that's a sleeping giant with customization, but maybe I just never got there with it? Thought feel was okay, not great. I have footage with an Auxetic ET from a few months ago that you can find here. Really curious for people's thoughts on the Extreme Tour. Absolutely worth a revisit, especially with Head's 30% sale rn.

Head Extreme Tour 2022 match

Head Pro Tour 2.0 - You know, a part of me wants to be good enough to use this frame. How sick would it be to show up to a 4.0 match or whatever and just destroy opponents with this frame? I still own a few, and I'll certainly keep one to always have, but obviously just too demanding with 95sq inch head and dense 18m. Such an awesome frame though, have never played with anything that feels better than the PT 2.0. Good power, too for a frame like this, imo.

This is the end of Post 2, continued on Post 3.
Hi.

Going to give some advice here. I have been using mostly the Textreme Tour 100 310 2019 version for the past years and still use it in doubles. I tried Pure Aero VS, 98, Vcore 95 2021 & 2023 (too little control '23)

For singles I have transitioned to the Radical MP Auxetic. It's actually what I was hoping for in the ATS Tour 98, but way more maneuverable. The Radical MP almost plays like a 16x20 almost because of the tight pattern. I feel the Radical is way more stable than the Prestige MP L which I tried at 340 grams. I have customised the MP to 340 grams with 9g in handle and 1g at 12 o clock.

Compared to the TXT Tour, I get less power on serves and groundstrokes, but in turn get more control on full strokes and dare more. Hope it helps.
 

curtstead

Professional
UPDATE:

1.) Have had some brief hits with the 5G and Six.One 100.

-5G has good plow despite it's lower swingweight. Not as much as the 7G naturally, but still really good! Kinda feels a bit jack of all trades frame, does everything well. Doesn't swing the fastest, but not cumbersome by any means. So far, very nice early impressions.

-Six.One 100 swings VERY fast. The feel is great, slice is heavenly, and spin is really good. However, I was expecting a bit more power? Strung with Poly Tour Drive at 53#, wonder if I should maybe loosen up on the next string job to see if I can get some more pop out of it. Control was very good. Not pinpoint, but similar to the Blade 100 v8.

-Ended up playing the Blade 100 in my doubles match, which felt good. Such an easy to use racquet, does most things similar to the 5G, with a bit more spin and easy launch angle, but not quite the stability or plow through power. Which could all be changed with some weight. The match was over so quickly though, 6-3, 6-0 that I didn't take either stick out for it. I did hit with them after though. Just given the more easy power from the 5G, I'd give it the early lead over the Six.One 100 but not a big one. Both are fun sticks. Not ready to rank either of them above the Blade 100, simply not nearly enough time on court yet. In due time!

2.) Gravity MP Aux and Shift 300 are in hand. Gravity MP has an older string job on it, but the Shift 300 has Resting Zero 17g in it at 55/53#, freshly strung. I am hitting with a friend of mine for about an hour here in the next 45 minutes, and then the next round of my doubles playoffs follows at 7pm EST.

3.) Two sets of Grapplesnake Tour Sniper 16g arrived, and this being one of my favorite strings on market, need to decide which of these frames gets the string job first.

(FYI, whatever stick I do decide on, the rest are going in the FS section. If anyone in here following the thread wants a good deal on 4 3/8 size racquets that they know they like, you will have your opportunity very soon.)

Thanks!

-Curtis
 
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slipgrip93

Professional
Another to try maybe, the Wilson Steam 100 or Steam 99 mold. Pros on both the WTA and (a few) on the ATP are using the frame still, under 'blade' paintjobs.
 
Curtis! Wow, what a journey. Sure, it's total overkill in many ways, but if the process is what it ultimately took to give you these insights, then it's been worth it. For that, and for being this publicly vulnerable (videos included), I applaud you.

As for what to do from here, aside from all the excellent advice above, and short of being able to deduce your ideal anthropometrics or book a day with Roman Prokes (with all due respect to @Tranqville), I think it's best to start by confirming what you know: 1) your preferences, 2) the frames that will possibly work (and, by deduction, all of those that won't). That will allow to have a shortlist of true candidates, with which you can conduct final testing and make a decision. You have to make a pact, though, to trust your intuition and don't doubt yourself after the fact.

First off, your preferences, based on numerous mentions, and piggy-backing off of @Tranqville's notes above:

- Head Size: 98-105" (I wouldn't exclude 102's to 105's, even though you'll probably end up with a 98-100)
- Stock Unstrung Weight: 290-305g (for a platform) 310-320g (played closer to stock)
- Stock Unstrung Balance : >=4-5pts HL strung (in most cases)
- Mid-Beam: >=21mm, <23mm
- Average Stiffness: 63-67 RA
- Feel: direct, connected, unfiltered
- String Pattern/Density: controlled 16-main, open/friendly 18-main (ie. open enough for easier lift, but dense enough for reliable trajectory on flatter contact)
- String Bed Behavior: consistent, composed, predictable, more static / less dynamic
- Sweet Spot: on the larger side

Below is a full account of all possibilities thus far. Any brand/model/silo with a "no" or not mentioned is either outside your preference envelope or a confirmed no-go by you, with reasonable certainty. I'm not going to bother explaining any virtues of racquets you've already covered, as it would be redundant, but I will add in places you haven't tried yet, to help you save on wasted energy/time, if nothing else:

- Babolat: probably no (PA23 might work, but you OHBH stands a chance of not liking it, more so than liking it)
- Diadem: probably no (Elevate pattern too open for what you need -- you'll have issues similar to the PA98; I'm just telling you now)
- Dunlop: possibly CX 200 OS
- Head: Aux Gravity MP, Aux 2.0 Prestige MP-L, Auxetic Radical MP (maybe)
- Prince: no
- ProKennex: Kinetic 5G, Ki Q+ 5, Ki Q+ 5 Pro
- Solinco: WhiteOut 18x20 (non-XTD)
- Tecnifibre: no
- Volkl: no
- Wilson: Blade 100 v8, Pro Staff X v14, Six.One 100 v14
- Yonex: Percept 100, Percept 100D
- Direct-order brands (Angell, etc.): For now, I'd avoid. Might be more viable once your game stabilizes and/or you're more certain of your optimal strung spec.

*Addendum: I'd dump the extended stuff, full stop. The allure of that extra .5-1 inch isn't worth adding in yet another variable (having to jump between different-distance fulcrums), and by all accounts above, you (or at least your elbow) had a tough time with them anyways. Focus on 27", standard-length stuff, at least for now.

That leaves the contenders (in alphabetical brand/model order):
- Dunlop CX 200 OS
- Head Auxetic Gravity MP
- Head Auxetic 2.0 Prestige MP-L
- Head Auxetic Radical MP
- ProKennex Kinetic 5G
- ProKennex Ki Q+ 5
- ProKennex Ki Q+ 5 Pro
- Solinco WhiteOut 18x20
- Wilson Blade 100 v8
- Wilson Pro Staff X v14
- Wilson Pro Staff Six.One 100 v14
- Yonex Percept 100
- Yonex Percept 100D

So, apart from a single 98 and a single 105, I think it's pretty clear the type of stick you're headed towards: 99-100", balanced pattern (a few 100" 16x20's), 22mm-ish beam, mid-60's RA, good-sized sweet spot.

For the sake of moving this forward even further, I'm going to weed out frames I consider to be "on the fringe" (with the reason(s) why), which would be the CX 200 OS (head size too large), as much as I want to keep it in, the Six.One 100 (sweet spot likely too small, although maybe not), Percept 100 (feel; possibly too open; constant 23mm) and 100D (feel; probably too low a launch; constant 23mm). That leaves:

- Head Auxetic Gravity MP
- Head Auxetic 2.0 Prestige MP-L
- Head Auxetic Radical MP
- ProKennex Kinetic 5G
- ProKennex Ki Q+ 5
- ProKennex Ki Q+ 5 Pro
- Solinco WhiteOut 18x20
- Wilson Blade 100 v8
- Wilson Pro Staff X v14

As for what you already own:
- Prestige MP-L - The long(ish) center mains and "snow shoe" shape are what accounts for any of the loose-ness/launchy-ness (I feel it, too, especially when a string job is strung too low, the string is too soft, or gets too old). Stringing thicker/lower-power poly/higher-tension/more often can address the issue, but may still not be enough for you. You'll just have to try and see, and keep customizing to your ideal recoil weight as well.
- Blade 100 v8 - Similar MP-L control anecdote applies here as well, and as for improving lateral stability/forgiveness, I would try some lead at 9 and 3, per how Jonas's buddy Henrik has modified his (which he absolutely loves, by the way).

On one hand, you probably have enough of an "answer" in the MP-L and Blade 100 to conduct a final play-off and make a choice, just between those two. That said, if a 100" 16x20 PK left you that enthused, then I think you bring in one of them, probably the 5G (with a little lead at 12 or 10 & 2, to bump swing weight and open up the sweet spot to a more 7G level). Beyond that, if you really feel you want a 98 in there, do the regular-length WhiteOut 18x20, which will probably give a bit bigger sweet spot than the Aux Rad MP, but the Rad might be worth it if you have a chance to hit one locally. I could probably take or leave the Pro Staff X (potentially too much twist weight to make your OHBH truly happy/free) and/or Gravity MP (will probably require a lot of customizing). You could add them, too, but that would total up to 6 racquets, and with only 5 weeks left in the year, I'm not sure that's enough time to get solid-enough insight on all of them, and/or not just confuse/overwhelm yourself even more by trying to move through them too fast.

In closing, I think it may be best to bring in only maybe one more stick, at a maximum two (5G and WO 18x20), otherwise just stick with the MP-L and Blade 100, then string all racquets with the same string setup, at similar-enough dynamic tension, bring them to similar/identical strung spec, and have a play-off between now and December 30. Then make a decision and sign your "contract" on the 31st.

Hope that helps Curt! I know it flies in the face of many here wanting you to immediately simplify and just make a choice, but you've come this far, so why not honor the process and close it out, with no stones left unturned (within reason, anyways). Any questions, feel free.
Oops, I knew I probably missed it somewhere. I probably saw it and then completely forgot as I was trying to narrow down the options myself.

Always found your posts very thorough and well thought-out btw!
 

mrravioli

Semi-Pro
It's like finding your soulmate. After trying nearly all racquets out there it's unlikely someone on the board would name another one and magically it works for you. Almost surely you've already met 'THE ONE' for you. It just take another couple years before you come back to it, realize that's always been the one and ask yourself why you left it in first place ;)
 

Conrado85

Rookie
TF40 305 18x20 with leather grip (1.30 mm) and lower specs (324-326 SW). Believe me, I have a pair of 1 gen and this is exactly what you are looking for... OHBH here.
 

curtstead

Professional
@curtstead - It's been a few days now Curtis. How is the "evaluation" going?

Hey man, hoping to do a more extensive write up by the end of the week. Had to travel a bit unexpectedly last week so that cut down time I had with the frames, sadly. We're sticking with the deadline, so it just is what it is. What I can add is this:

When I have had the chance to hit around or in my last few doubles matches, I just keep finding the Blade 100 in my hands. I just love the forgiveness, the versatility, the control, good spin, and decent power for a Blade. I just seem to play more consistent and confident with this frame. Not to mention the platform like specs will make customizing very easy, just like on the Prestige MP-L.

As we still have a few weeks to go, I haven't eliminated anything yet. That being said, the Blade 100 just seems to have naturally created some distance from most of the frames other than the MP-L. Of the frames I have gotten my hands on recently, I do like the feel of the 5G, it's a very good frame. I like the plow despite the not very high swing weight. The classic feel is something I definitely dig. I do find myself not feeling super confident with it though. Hitting a lot long. I don't quite get the easier spin that I get from the Blade 100, although it's not like I get nothing either.

The Six.One 100 is also very fun to hit with, and I like how whippy it feels. I find the Blade 100 just a bit easier to use as of now compared to it. If someone put a gun to my head, I'd rank them:

Blade 100 v8 > Prestige MP-L (very close) >> 5G > 6.1 100 >>>>>>> Gravity MP. The Auxetic Gravity MP is nice, I can just kinda tell it's not for me. Really lacks the stability of the other frames mentioned. I like the Six.One 100 and 5G substantially more than this. Very comfortable though.

One exciting caveat is that I did manage to get my hands on a Yonex Ezone DR 98 for a very reasonable price in very good condition. That could be an interesting wrench to throw in to this thing, I am pumped to try that. Also, I have yet to hit with the Shift 300 for more than a few minutes, that also remains to be seen as well. The initial 5 minute hit was nice but way too early to tell much of anything.

So all that being said, this might not sound like I've gotten a lot of clarity as I like all of these frames. I'd say that's not true, actually. I find myself liking a few frames a bit more than the others and creating some natural distance. In my last playoff match, I played against a guy I know who had just picked up the Blade 98 and really liked it. After the match was over, he saw my Blade 100 and said mistakenly just assumed it was the 98. Told him he should give it a try, I find it to do everything I ever wanted from the 98 when I last tried one, and I still stand by that statement. I really think its a better frame than the 98 16m v8 in every way.

That's all for now!

-Curtis
 

Blade_X

Professional
You sould not end your racquetholism because in only one month 2 of the best lines (to me the best among all lines) would launch. Strike and Blade.
 

curtstead

Professional
You sould not end your racquetholism because in only one month 2 of the best lines (to me the best among all lines) would launch. Strike and Blade.

Ha, gotta end it though. If anything, it's a chance to get the Blade 100 v8 even cheaper than you already can in the near future. Although the year long wait for an upgrade to a slightly stiffer 100 v9 wouldn't be fun... assuming that is in fact what Wilson is doing with the next Blade update... (Year long wait for me since I gotta stick with what I decide on at least all of 2024, much less for you guys :) )
 
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Fighting phoenix

Professional
Ha, gotta end it though. If anything, it's a chance to get the Blade 100 v8 even cheaper than you already can in the near future. Although the year long wait for an upgrade to a slightly stiffer 100 v9 wouldn't be fun... assuming that is in fact what Wilson is doing with the next Blade update...
Yeah agreed...experience should tell us that most often these updates are just minor tweaks and aren't worth the premium price relative to the predecessor.
 

Blade_X

Professional
Ha, gotta end it though. If anything, it's a chance to get the Blade 100 v8 even cheaper than you already can in the near future. Although the year long wait for an upgrade to a slightly stiffer 100 v9 wouldn't be fun... assuming that is in fact what Wilson is doing with the next Blade update... (Year long wait for me since I gotta stick with what I decide on at least all of 2024, much less for you guys :) )
V8 100 is already stiff and powerful. So go for it if you enjoy it.
 

Purestriker

Legend
You sould not end your racquetholism because in only one month 2 of the best lines (to me the best among all lines) would launch. Strike and Blade.
Trust me, they won't be fix their racquetholism, regardless of what they are saying. Because there is not perfect stick. They all have trade offs.
 

Trip

Legend
@curtstead - Curtis, thanks for the great update. I can certainly see how the Blade 100 v8 might remain in the lead for you. One potentially nice thing it has over the MP-,L, is if if you find yourself leveling up your technique a bit, hitting with more spacing and a little higher in the string bed, I think you'll probably have fewer shanks up around 10 & 2, owing to noticeably more room there than the more "egg"/snow-shoe shaped MP-L. That, and the effect of the longer-than-average "twangy" center mains on the MP-L, can make the response a little squirrely at times, at least if you don't string thick/firm/high enough and refresh the jobs often enough. Those are really my only two "pain points" with the MP-L, although they are minor ones. Either way you go, I don't think you can lose picking either frame, and I can easily see you sticking with one or the other over the next year, and beyond.

On that note, the great thing is you've tried pretty much tried everything, or at least 90+% of the could-be-a-fit frames, enough to where you know what the deal is with almost any mold shape, layup, string bed, etc. So as much as they're will be new eye-candy in 2024, I can't see really see anything that should stop you from pulling the trigger now. I know this may step on some toes or hurt some egos, but the Strike v4 is likely going to stay too muted for your taste and I don't see the Auxetic 2.0 Speed, '24 CX, etc. being "I wish I waited" level better, at least not for you. Each will be an improved tweak, I'm sure, but not enough to sway you from locking down a choice now. So, I say have at it, with confidence!

Interested to see how you close this out!
 
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zykoniko

New User
I also ended my real crazy racketholism with the Blade 100 V8 !
I tested all rackets available... Pure Aeros, Radicals, Ezones and so on...

I watched youtube and heard the first time of the Blade 100... for me it was a cheap racket from decathlon...

but i had to test it... and now?!? its my new racket and i bought 3 of it!

How can i explain or give a quick review of the Blade 100 V8:

Control and Power, but you can decide if you want to spin the ball high over the net (like Pure Aero) or if you want to play a flat fast ball with control!
And its also stable on volleys and very very quick to handle.

And my shoulder never gets sored or weak.... i can play 3 hours with this racket...
With Pure Aero 2019 i play my best tennis, but only for 30 minutes, because you need a lot of condition in your shoulder to whip this beast quick over the ball with spin...

I am 43 years old , 4.5 level, and i swear... its the best racket for me available at the moment.
 

mauricem

Semi-Pro
I also ended my real crazy racketholism with the Blade 100 V8 !
I tested all rackets available... Pure Aeros, Radicals, Ezones and so on...

I watched youtube and heard the first time of the Blade 100... for me it was a cheap racket from decathlon...

but i had to test it... and now?!? its my new racket and i bought 3 of it!

How can i explain or give a quick review of the Blade 100 V8:
I'm a new convert to Blade 100 as well, as you mentioned it does everything well. I demoed the 98 16*19 alongside the extreme tour and boom pro and while it was very solid I felt it lacked some power and easy spin compared to the ET and BP so went with the 100 to hopefully help with that.

Unlike the the L and UL models the RRP is the same as the 98s at least here in Australia so I've never seen it as a cheap alternative to regular blade.

Are you using it stock or added any lead? I found off centre shots a bit "twangy" until I added lead at 3 and 9.
 

Jono123

Professional
Personally, I don't think you should go beyond 320 swing weight.

Watching your play style, I'd recommend a Wilson Ultra 100 V4
 

curtstead

Professional
I'm a new convert to Blade 100 as well, as you mentioned it does everything well. I demoed the 98 16*19 alongside the extreme tour and boom pro and while it was very solid I felt it lacked some power and easy spin compared to the ET and BP so went with the 100 to hopefully help with that.

Unlike the the L and UL models the RRP is the same as the 98s at least here in Australia so I've never seen it as a cheap alternative to regular blade.

Are you using it stock or added any lead? I found off centre shots a bit "twangy" until I added lead at 3 and 9.

Right now, I'm using just a leather grip + OG. I am planning to add some weight at 3 and 9, along with a bit more under the buttcap, and see how it plays there.
 

curtstead

Professional
Looks like you should try to get a Gravity Tour to try ;)

that's basically a more forgiving GPro. A really nice frame!

This certainly would've been a fun one to try. Too bad Head USA makes sure we don't get at least one awesome frame in the states each generation. 2021 Prestige MP-L, and now the 2023 Auxetic Gravity Tour.
 

curtstead

Professional
I also ended my real crazy racketholism with the Blade 100 V8 !
I tested all rackets available... Pure Aeros, Radicals, Ezones and so on...

I watched youtube and heard the first time of the Blade 100... for me it was a cheap racket from decathlon...

but i had to test it... and now?!? its my new racket and i bought 3 of it!

How can i explain or give a quick review of the Blade 100 V8:

Control and Power, but you can decide if you want to spin the ball high over the net (like Pure Aero) or if you want to play a flat fast ball with control!
And its also stable on volleys and very very quick to handle.

And my shoulder never gets sored or weak.... i can play 3 hours with this racket...
With Pure Aero 2019 i play my best tennis, but only for 30 minutes, because you need a lot of condition in your shoulder to whip this beast quick over the ball with spin...

I am 43 years old , 4.5 level, and i swear... its the best racket for me available at the moment.

It really is an awesome frame, agree with all of your comments. Very versatile, does everything really well, and punches above its weight even in relatively close to stock for me. I mean if I had to give the 98 one thing over it, control is probably just a wee bit better with a smaller head size, but I don't think it's far off. Plus you get the benefits of everything else the 100 gives you. Again, as I mentioned in my original posts, I do not typically go to 100 sq in frames other than a few exceptions like the Gravity Pro, PK 7G, CX 400 Tour. Yet the Blade 100 is just that good. I have been much more a 97-99 sort of guy prior to this, and shows how much I know!
 

curtstead

Professional
I will add one con to the Blade 100 though, and I'm assuming to the V8 Blade line as a whole. The paint quality is just horrible, some of the worst I've ever experienced in a racquet. Have had the frame hit the ground on a few approaches, dropped it on clay a few times, and you'd think I slammed the stick against a metal pole with the paint chipping I'm getting.

Anyone else notice this with the V8 Blades?
 
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