Help me understand this DQ

[Cindysphinx]

I stumbled on a DQ of someone I know, and I cannot make sense of it.

Player was a 4.0 for a few years. Then bumped to 4.5. Then bumped back down to a 4.0 for 2012. Current 2013 rating is 4.0B.

Player is on 40+ teams and 8.0 mixed teams.

She has played four matches so far this year:

Jan. 15 -- 8.0 mixed 18+ with 4.0 partner -- DQ
Jan. 23 -- 8.0 mixed 18+ with same 4.0 partner -- DQ
Jan. 25 -- ladies 4.0 40+ with 4.0 partner
Feb. 3 -- ladies 4.0 40+ with 4.0 partner

So she was DQ'd from the first 2 matches she played in mixed, but she wasn't bumped up and she continues to play as a 4.0 in the 4.0 leagues.

What could be going on here?

 

[beernutz]

You sure it wasn't her partner that got DQed?

 

[Cindysphinx]

The DQ is by her name.

And I clicked on him, and he still comes up as a 4.0 and doesn't show any DQs in his results.

Weird, huh?

 

[kylebarendrick]

Any chance her partner (in the DQ matches) was a 4.5 in 2012? Or was either of them a 4.5 ESR before getting a 4.0 rating for 2013? If so, were the mixed matches a 2012 league (or a 2013 early start league)?

Mixed doesn't generate strikes, so it can't be a 3-strikes DQ.

 

[NumbersGuy]

Hmm, that is an odd one. The league started play in 2013 so likely not an Early Start League. She went to Mixed Nats in 2012 so I checked to see if maybe her new team had more than 3 players from the Nats team, but not the case. The Feb. 3 non-DQ match was actually Mixed, not Ladies, so odder still. Something peculiar about the particular league where she played twice and was DQed twice. Does Mid-Atlantic have an obscure rule that you can't play next year with the same partner you played at Nats with? That would be way too obscure. Maybe she hadn't paid her league fees, or some sort of other eligibility issue like living outside a prescribed distance.

 

[Cindysphinx]

we don't have early start.

I am impressed that you figured out who I was talking about!

 

[damazing]

I thought it may have been because of the three player rule, but she's the co-captain on the team that she has the DQs and there aren't cross over teammates on her VA team.

Could this have been a late penalty DQ? Meaning she showed up after 15 minutes of play but they wanted to play the match anyways.

 

[Cindysphinx]

I thought it may have been because of the three player rule, but she's the co-captain on the team that she has the DQs and there aren't cross over teammates on her VA team.

Could this have been a late penalty DQ? Meaning she showed up after 15 minutes of play but they wanted to play the match anyways.

No, if you are late then it goes as a default. You can play for fun, but it is a default, not a DQ.

There must be a 3-player problem.

As you say, there are only two players on her current mixed team that were also on the 2012 nationals team.

I think what happened is that no one caught it until after she had played two matches. Then someone complained, and all three of the players were subject to DQ. Since she was the only one who had played matches so far, she was DQ'd. (She couldn't have transferred because you cannot transfer to another team if you have already played, and you cannot co-captain one team and play for a competing team).

Then when the problem was discovered, they must have transferred someone off the team to cure the violation. That allows her to now play future matches and continue co-captaining. That would explain why I couldn't identify three players from the 2012 nationals team on the current roster -- one had already transferred.

Another reason to believe this is the explanation is that the league coordinator just sent out an email to all captains reminding them of the three-player rule.

 

[NumbersGuy]

I am impressed that you figured out who I was talking about!

Aw shucks, took about 15 minutes since I knew from an earlier post you were DC area. Next time just give us the name (it doesn't feel like there are any privacy issues at stake here) and you may get even more and better responses!

Your 4-players-from-Nats-team, transferred-2-off (a pair who likes to play together?) sounds like the best theory so far.

 

[Chelsie1]

There's a rule now where you can't make up a team using more than 3 people who played at Nationals on any other teams.
No "Super Teams." Maybe she was DQd from the team, but not because of her NTRP. In the past some teams have consisted of a combination of all National players from different teams. No more.

 

[rainman007]

I stumbled on a DQ of someone I know, and I cannot make sense of it.

Player was a 4.0 for a few years. Then bumped to 4.5. Then bumped back down to a 4.0 for 2012. Current 2013 rating is 4.0B.

Player is on 40+ teams and 8.0 mixed teams.

She has played four matches so far this year:

Jan. 15 -- 8.0 mixed 18+ with 4.0 partner -- DQ
Jan. 23 -- 8.0 mixed 18+ with same 4.0 partner -- DQ
Jan. 25 -- ladies 4.0 40+ with 4.0 partner
Feb. 3 -- ladies 4.0 40+ with 4.0 partner

So she was DQ'd from the first 2 matches she played in mixed, but she wasn't bumped up and she continues to play as a 4.0 in the 4.0 leagues.

What could be going on here?

was she a 3.5 M or C and got bumped to 4.0 so it said dq?
i see you said their 2013 rating was 4.0 B Benchmark players cant win an appeal but they also cant be dq'd

 

[Cindysphinx]

Nope. She has been C or B for years.

I think it must have been a three-player issue.

 

[jonnythan]

It wasn't a dynamic DQ, because she had a B rating. It had to be something else. She violated a rule of some kind.

 

[Topaz]

I stumbled on a DQ of someone I know, and I cannot make sense of it.

Player was a 4.0 for a few years. Then bumped to 4.5. Then bumped back down to a 4.0 for 2012. Current 2013 rating is 4.0B.

Player is on 40+ teams and 8.0 mixed teams.

She has played four matches so far this year:

Jan. 15 -- 8.0 mixed 18+ with 4.0 partner -- DQ
Jan. 23 -- 8.0 mixed 18+ with same 4.0 partner -- DQ
Jan. 25 -- ladies 4.0 40+ with 4.0 partner
Feb. 3 -- ladies 4.0 40+ with 4.0 partner

So she was DQ'd from the first 2 matches she played in mixed, but she wasn't bumped up and she continues to play as a 4.0 in the 4.0 leagues.

What could be going on here?

Her captain violated the rule that says you can't take more than 3 players from Nationals teams with you the next year...she kept 3 from her 8.0 team, but then added a guy from the 10.0 National team...that's 4!

Not sure if she got the DQ because she was the last out of the four that registered or if her captain was able to choose who got the axe.

 

[MesQueUnClub]

Why not ask her ? Wouldn't that be easier than 100 people speculating?