Help! S&v!!!

USERNAME

Professional
Gonna play a serve and volley player in a few sets over the next week, never met the guy but I am guessing he is good because my coach knows him and asked him to play me. My coach said he plays college tennis (IDK what division or year) and is part of their #2 doubles and #5 singles I think it was. I have only played a few S&V players and they were not the best so this is my first test (I hope) against a good S&V player.
Just looking for any secret tips or tactics that I might not know, any advice is appreciated!
Me: 18 years old, 5'11" tall, been playing forever and am ranked nationally well in the top 200 (also have an ITF rank), and Id like to say that Im an all-courter but I think Im more of a counter-puncher.
I just dont wanna look dumb if this guy is really good. Or make my coach look bad.
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
One of the most unsettling things to do against a serve and volleyer is to beat that player to the net. If they can't use those strong volleys, you've denied them their offensive weapon and can press their perhaps less developed strokes. Easier said than done, but something to consider.

When an opponent moves in behind their serve, don't panic. You'll probably miss if you go for a miracle, right? Block your return down on the net rusher's feet so that he has to hit up from a weak position. You may even need to move in a bit yourself after that shot in case your opponent can only come up with a short, weak reply. A somewhat short return placed over toward a sideline can also force a S&V player into scramble mode. They want to generally move forward, not sideways.

One time that it may be easier to go to net yourself is off this opponent's second serve. If you can chip the ball nice and deep, you can charge right in behind it. Hopefully you're familiar with the term chip 'n charge... If you lob, remember to put the ball over his weaker backhand side.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Yeah, short low returns of serve.
YOU come to net on your serve if you so choose.
Low dipping passing shots, but low and dipping is more important than clean winner.
Topspin lobs, over the weaker side.
Challenge a good volleyer only if you think you're better at some aspect.
 

Slazenger07

Banned
Try and take the net from him by attacking first. Also concentrate on getting your returns of serve short and low, make him have to hit great volleys to beat you. Plus when you force them to volley up you'll get a better look at a passing shot.
 

athiker

Hall of Fame
Stay calm and focus on hitting the ball cleanly to the right spot...the spots and types of shots mentioned in the posts above. Don't get tense when you glimpse him moving to the net and try to blast the ball (unless of course its a shot you have confidence you can successfully blast! :) ).

I'm at a lower level than you or the posters above but I love it when my opponents see me coming and try to kill the ball. For every winner that makes me look silly, there is more than one that goes out or in the net so that I don't have to do any work at all! At least make the guy work for his points. My nightmare is the calm guy on the other side that just strokes the ball to the right spot.

One thing to keep in mind is that points will be shorter vs a S&V player. You lose 2 points in a row and you think you are getting routed b/c it can happen so fast vs after 2 long rally points in a baseline battle. You have to focus on the overall picture of how the match in going and how your strategy is working not a couple quick points. Good luck.
 
Me: 18 years old, 5'11" tall, been playing forever and am ranked nationally well in the top 200 (also have an ITF rank), I just dont wanna look dumb if this guy is really good. Or make my coach look bad.
Let me ge this straigh, your a college player ranked in the nation's top 200 and your asking a question like this on this board ????
Don't you like have a world class coach that you can go to ???
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Why not ask?
He smokes his coach anytime anywhere triple bagel, as he can do to us, so why not ask for opinions and then discard what he doesn't like?
Playing level has nothing to do with coaching level.
 

GetBetterer

Hall of Fame
Passing shot, down the line. Cross court if they're out of position. Moonball, maybe Lob, but the Moonball is better.
 

fruitytennis1

Professional
Cant say im at your level...but try slicing some serves back. Different trajectory than a topspin ball and the only real winner shot a person can pull of is a dropper.
 

Nellie

Hall of Fame
For me, as a serve and volley player, I want to see deep, hard ground strokes, I can block cleanly for winners. I do not want to see heavy topspin ball dipping before the service line that I need to take off my shoes or have to hit very close the net (allowing the opponent to lob me easily).

When you are serving, what I really can't do is rally more than three times. I think that if I start hitting a lot of ground strokes, eventually I am going to lose the point, so I will rush to get to the net and try to force some action before I make an unforced error/hit an attackable shot.
 

Doubles

Legend
Trust me, as a serve and volley player myself, DO NOT TRY AND GET TO THE NET! Trust me, I love when people do that, because I can pass you with a good volley, or I lob you. Do what you do best, keep the ball in play, and when the moment is right hit down the line for a winner, or try and go cross court, so long as you're sure they can't reach it to hit a volley well out of your reach...
 

USERNAME

Professional
Let me ge this straigh, your a college player ranked in the nation's top 200 and your asking a question like this on this board ????
Don't you like have a world class coach that you can go to ???
Im starting college in the fall and Im no where near as developed mentally as some of the college players I have been practicing with. My coach is a great coach and will critique me at the end of the week on my progress, I believe he is doing this to see where I stand on handling pressure and to see whether or not I can stay composed against a more experienced opponent.
 

USERNAME

Professional
Why not ask?
He smokes his coach anytime anywhere triple bagel, as he can do to us, so why not ask for opinions and then discard what he doesn't like?
Playing level has nothing to do with coaching level.
Thank you LeeD, and your very right! While I can beat my coach there is still a ton he can teach me. If not for my youth and strength his mental toughness alone would snuff me out lol! And thats why he is getting me as many tough match ups as possible, forces me to stay composed or risk getting smoked.
Thanks for the tips everyone, Ill be playing him tonight and then four more times this week.
 

5263

G.O.A.T.
Thank you LeeD, and your very right! While I can beat my coach there is still a ton he can teach me. If not for my youth and strength his mental toughness alone would snuff me out lol! And thats why he is getting me as many tough match ups as possible, forces me to stay composed or risk getting smoked.
Thanks for the tips everyone, Ill be playing him tonight and then four more times this week.
how did this match go?
 

xFullCourtTenniSx

Hall of Fame
Uhhh... At your level, you should be able to beat a serve and volleyer unless they are above your level... Why the hell are you asking us? Just another tennis match among thousands... You're overthinking the situation.
 

ProgressoR

Hall of Fame
yeh, at lower levels s and v dont tend to be that good, like me, i am at a low level, though improving i hasten to add, and my s and v is hampered by general lack of very good net play, though i enjoy it and one day it will come together.

a poor s and v will come in after weaker serves, and weaker approaches and generally decent passing shots should win the point or force a sitter for you to kill. And decent lobs will kill them too.
 

USERNAME

Professional
Uhhh... At your level, you should be able to beat a serve and volleyer unless they are above your level... Why the hell are you asking us? Just another tennis match among thousands... You're overthinking the situation.
yeh, at lower levels s and v dont tend to be that good, like me, i am at a low level, though improving i hasten to add, and my s and v is hampered by general lack of very good net play, though i enjoy it and one day it will come together.

a poor s and v will come in after weaker serves, and weaker approaches and generally decent passing shots should win the point or force a sitter for you to kill. And decent lobs will kill them too.
This guy is a college player in (he says) a mid-ranked D1 school, he has played longer then me competitively. His serve was not HUGE but very well placed and heavy with spin, he pulled me off court often which opened the court for his volley game. His movement was awesome! Super quick and cut down my angled returns and spinny shots well. On my service games I pinned him to the baseline as much as I could but any sign of defense and he moved in. Played 4 sets so far and lost em all lol, scores were: 6-3, 7-5, 6-4, 7-5. Now in tie breaks though I have a better record at 5-3!!! Most of the time (when I played fast strike tennis) I was able to win the point so Ill try that tomorrow in a set and tie break! Over all I am happy but think I can do better...
 

EP1998

Semi-Pro
Focus on two shot passes and make sure you are up in the court. If you get caught behind the baseline when he's coming in you're in trouble. the key to good passes is Monica Seles style taking it early and getting low and playing up in the court. cannot say that enough because court position is critical.

Also on your return and when they are at the net - show them everything. Hit the dipping shot, the lob, and right at them. Test it all. Also on the pass, if they get on top of the net, lob em and when they start coming back in from the lob, hit a dipping shot at their feet. that is going to bother them unless they have world class volleys. most people dont. even if they play S&V. not that many people really know how to volley all zones. Be ready to come in if you hit the heavy dip because if they get their racquet on it chances are it will drop short. but dont just run in, just be ready to go in and if you do, then just try to out volley them at the net (or lob if you can to get them off). Dont be afraid to lob! no one uses this enough. test his overhead and make him work for it.
 

martini1

Hall of Fame
How about lobbing some deep balls on the return? That would at least keep the S&V'er from coming to the net every time.
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
I like to S&V (in doubles), and the thing I like best of all is when my opponents try to hit their returns extremely hard. It is so much easier to volley a high, hard, flat ball than a ball with lots of topspin.

I'd say to focus much more on spin than pace if you want to bother a S&V player.
 

USERNAME

Professional
AH HAHAHAHA! YES!!! Finally took it to him! The last time we played we played a full 2 out of 3 sets match and I won! Score line was 2-6 7-6(9) 6-3, was down 0-4 in the 2nd set when I started just hitting some ridiculous laser passing shots and returns! I mean these were really not right at all, basically slapping flat bh shots by him crosscourt on his 1st serve out wide on the ad side and rolling heavy topspin fh shots at angles I didnt think possible on a return! Then on my service games every time he came in I either ripped it by him dtl or simply flattened out the ball and railed it at him. Now you might be saying "hes a college player, he should be able to handle shots struck at him..." just trust me, you were not there! I had found my timing perfectly and saw the ball in a way that it seemed the size of a basketball, its like I could not miss! Needless to say I am still VERY SUPER HAPPY right now even after the win!
 

EP1998

Semi-Pro
AH HAHAHAHA! YES!!! Finally took it to him! The last time we played we played a full 2 out of 3 sets match and I won! Score line was 2-6 7-6(9) 6-3, was down 0-4 in the 2nd set when I started just hitting some ridiculous laser passing shots and returns! I mean these were really not right at all, basically slapping flat bh shots by him crosscourt on his 1st serve out wide on the ad side and rolling heavy topspin fh shots at angles I didnt think possible on a return! Then on my service games every time he came in I either ripped it by him dtl or simply flattened out the ball and railed it at him. Now you might be saying "hes a college player, he should be able to handle shots struck at him..." just trust me, you were not there! I had found my timing perfectly and saw the ball in a way that it seemed the size of a basketball, its like I could not miss! Needless to say I am still VERY SUPER HAPPY right now even after the win!
That's great! Now the next time you face someone like that you'll be prepared!
 
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