Help with double vs triple flying clamp?

saman13

New User
So, I've never strung a racquet before but I just picked up a used Klippermate for cheap. Part of the reason it was cheap is because it was missing the flying clamps. Well, I used the money saved to buy some Stringway clamps. I bought the set that includes a double and a triple clamp. Now I've watched the Klippermate video on how to use their machine but they use double clamps for everything so it is all the same. So my question is, when/what side should I use the triple clamp vs the double clamp? People say that the triple clamp holds tension on the string better, so if I use a triple clamp the entire time on one side of the racquet and the double on the other, wouldn't one side be a slightly different tension than the other?

Maybe these are dumb questions. I'm just trying to figure out why/when you would want both a double and a triple clamp vs 2 triple clamps.
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
Well, I used the money saved to buy some Stringway clamps.
Probably a smart move.

Now I've watched the Klippermate video on how to use their machine
In my opinion, not the best video.

...so if I use a triple clamp the entire time on one side of the racquet and the double on the other, wouldn't one side be a slightly different tension than the other?
Yes.

So my question is, when/what side should I use the triple clamp vs the double clamp?
Whichever side you want. That's just a decision you'll have to make, since you only have one double clamp and one triple clamp. You'll just have to choose.
 

saman13

New User
Okay, thanks. I was wondering if I was missing anything about why there was one double and one triple included.
 
I used this setup for a bit. It's true that the side with the triple clamp will come out slightly tighter — I measured it. I think the best solution would be to get a second triple clamp. Alternatively, you could sell/exchange the triple for another double.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
It would be better to use the same clamps on each side. I would either buy another double or a triple.
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
Okay, thanks. I was wondering if I was missing anything about why there was one double and one triple included.
I'm presuming because that is the "set" or "package" that you selected when ordering.
Had you chosen the "2 doubles" set, or the "2 triples" set, or the "2 doubles + 1 triple" set, then that is what would have been included.

String spacing is another reason why one might use the "double" at certain times, and the "triple" at other times.
 

chazz

Rookie
I bought two double clamps to use with my Klippermate and I'm very happy with those clamps. I would get another double clamp instead of another triple clamp.
 

eah123

Professional
I have 2 double clamps. The only time I wish I had a triple is for the last cross which often has wider spacing than the rest of the crosses. If I had a triple, it would be used like a double clamp using just the outer clamping area and leaving the middle area empty. I think you would need to adjust the clamp to be tighter though, if the clamp were set for clamping 3 strings.
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
The only time I wish I had a triple is for the last cross which often has wider spacing than the rest of the crosses.

If the only time you would need/use a triple Stringway clamp is for the bottom cross... you could implement a (much less expensive) alternative.

After tensioning the bottom cross, you can simply "pin" that particular cross in place with an awl (rather than using a flying/floating clamp that would otherwise force the last string(s) to deflect - out of alignment.

Essentially, the same technique that I'm demonstrating here (except, in your case, it would be just for the bottom cross)...
You can jump ahead to the 6:00 mark.

 

eah123

Professional
If the only time you would need/use a triple Stringway clamp is for the bottom cross... you could implement a (much less expensive) alternative.

After tensioning the bottom cross, you can simply "pin" that particular cross in place with an awl (rather than using a flying/floating clamp that would otherwise force the last string(s) to deflect - out of alignment.

Essentially, the same technique that I'm demonstrating here (except, in your case, it would be just for the bottom cross)...
You can jump ahead to the 6:00 mark.

Thank you. I just live with the lower tension on the last cross. The Stringway guy has scared me off of using any awl (risk of damaging frame around the hole).
 

saman13

New User
Haha, looks like I should have asked before ordering! I guess I’ll see if I can return the triple and just get another double.
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
Haha, looks like I should have asked before ordering! I guess I’ll see if I can return the triple and just get another double.


It's hard for us to know exactly what will suit your needs best.

Will you always be stringing the same model racquet... or many different types of frames?

Even if you are stringing the same model frame all the time, what is the string spacing like on it?
Tight pattern throughout?
Open pattern throughout?
Portions that are very open & other portions that are very tight (i.e. the 16x18 Wilson 6.1 95's and 2015 Babolat Pure Drives come to mind)?

So, none of us can really say exactly what you need. It just depends on multiple factors (hence why they offer different "sets" or "packages").
Maybe the triple clamp would be of some value to you... maybe it wouldn't. Who's to know?
There's a reason why "2 doubles + 1 triple" is an option.

If everyone needed the same thing, they would just sell everyone 2 double clamps and be done with it.

BTW, I'm fairly sure you already understand the concept behind the triple clamps - they don't "twist" in the same manner that double clamps can/do.
 

PrinceYonex

Semi-Pro
Back when I was using a gamma x2, I bought two triples and a double, and the clamps were a major upgrade over the gamma clamps. I loved the triples— so easy to apply just enough clamp pressure to prevent string slippage but without marking the string. You really don’t need much pressure at all with those clamps, and it’s so simple to figure out exactly how much pressure is needed. They were also fantastic at limiting drawback on the tensioned string.

I think two Stringway doubles are fine for getting even and consistent tension, but the triples are just a step up in terms of preventing twisting, limiting drawback, and therefore getting a somewhat higher stringbed stiffness at the same reference tension.
 

saman13

New User
I’ll be stringing my Wilson Clash 98, but also probably some of my buddies’ frames from time to time. Like I said, I’ve never strung before so all of this is pretty new to me. I’m gonna start out by stringing my mom’s old Wilson profile 95 (the racquet she gave to me to learn on, that I just replaced with the clash this year) that hasn’t been restrung in a few years just to learn on.

I guess I just didn’t really think about it before I bought the clamps. It makes sense to me now that you would want to use two of the same clamps, whether they’re both double or both triples. I just saw that they offered those two together and that “a double and a triple is probably better than just two doubles”. Maybe I’ll just try stringing with what I have and see if I’ll end up wanting to buy a second triple eventually.
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
I’ll be stringing my Wilson Clash 98, but also probably some of my buddies’ frames from time to time. Like I said, I’ve never strung before so all of this is pretty new to me. I’m gonna start out by stringing my mom’s old Wilson profile 95


@saman13,
Your Clash 98 is going to be easier to string than the Profile 95.
There are a couple things that will be more problematic for you, as a beginner, when you try to string the Profile 95.
Out of curiosity, is her Profile 95 the Profile 2.7 (champagne/gold 16x18) or the Profile 3.0 (silver 18x20)?

Also, if you don't have (or haven't ordered) a starting clamp, I would recommend you get one. It's going to make a number of things easier for you.
Make life easier on yourself from day one, rather than being forced into doing a number of things "the hard way".
 

saman13

New User
It’s the 2.7 16x18.

I haven’t ordered a starting clamp, I was just planning on using the klippermate starting pin. Does a starting clamp vs starting pin make much of a difference?
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
The starting clamp isn't just for helping you start the mains (like the starting pin).
A starting clamp has (at least) half a dozen different uses/purposes.

As I said, it will greatly ease your experience in many regards (especially dealing with flying/floating clamps).
Get one now. You can thank me later.

There are other/better methods for starting the mains than shown in that Klippermate video (especially if you happen to have a starting clamp, but it's not mandatory).
I'll send you a PM.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Haha, looks like I should have asked before ordering! I guess I’ll see if I can return the triple and just get another double.
If you can return them, return both and get pro stringer claws 2 medium and a large. The Stringway clamps have a fixed distance between points where the strings are clamped. The triple is twice as wide as the double. Claws are variable and the L claws are 1/8” wider than the Stringway. So you can clamp any 2 strings without distorting them.

 
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Tennis_dude101

Professional
I've got two SW triple clamps and one double clamp. I normally use the two triples on the mains and then swap over to the double for most of the crosses.
If the Pro Stringer Claws were available when I was looking for a clamp upgrade I would have followed Irvins advice. ;)
 
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saman13

New User
Yeah, I hadn't heard of those pro stringer clamps but if I had I probably would have gone with them. They look pretty nice. Since I already have these Stringway clamps (which arrived yesterday and are VERY solid) I'll probably stick with them. I'm going to try a few stringings with the double and triple I have and see if it leaves me wanting another triple. No point worrying over what I "should have" done when I haven't even tried stringing yet. Thanks for all the help, everyone.
 

saman13

New User
Just restrung my clash with some gosen sheep micro 18. Went way better (and faster) than my first time.
I got a starting clamp and took Wes’ advice and used his technique to start the mains. It was pretty easy and seemed to give a more consistent tension in the middle mains. I also used the starting clamp to start the crosses so I didn’t have to double pull to start. Again, hopefully will be a more consistent tension throughout. My finishing knot technique (used parnells this time) was also a lot better so I didn’t lose a lot of tension at the end like last time.
I actually kind of like having the double and triple. The triple is good for the widely spaced crosses at the top and bottom of the racquet that the double would deflect a lot. I’ll stick with just these two for now.
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
Just restrung my clash with some gosen sheep micro 18. Went way better (and faster) than my first time.
I got a starting clamp and took Wes’ advice and used his technique to start the mains. It was pretty easy and seemed to give a more consistent tension in the middle mains. I also used the starting clamp to start the crosses so I didn’t have to double pull to start. Again, hopefully will be a more consistent tension throughout. My finishing knot technique (used parnells this time) was also a lot better so I didn’t lose a lot of tension at the end like last time.

(y)
Nice job.

I actually kind of like having the double and triple. The triple is good for the widely spaced crosses at the top and bottom of the racquet that the double would deflect a lot. I’ll stick with just these two for now.

Exactly. It just depends on the racquet being strung.
That's precisely why I mentioned...

It's hard for us to know exactly what will suit your needs best.

Will you always be stringing the same model racquet... or many different types of frames?

Even if you are stringing the same model frame all the time, what is the string spacing like on it?
Tight pattern throughout?
Open pattern throughout?
Portions that are very open & other portions that are very tight (i.e. the 16x18 Wilson 6.1 95's and 2015 Babolat Pure Drives come to mind)?
 

ChrisG

Professional
(y)
Nice job.



Exactly. It just depends on the racquet being strung.
That's precisely why I mentioned...
Hi @Wes , I'll be very happy to get the same PM you sent to help me with the starting clamp. I have one but only use if the string is too short to reach the gripper.
thanks !
 
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