Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by 5ean, Oct 27, 2007.
Who would win if they were both at their peak playing their best tennis?
Graf! (only cause I'm biased! Graf = my fav female tennis player of all time)
If you were to watch them pure from a technical point of view, Henin has more weapons, the offensive backhand and a better netgame. However, Graf uses the weapons that she had: forehand, serve, footwork to the fullest. Henin is not used to play against a player who is mentally as strong as Graf. Purely, because Graf/Seles like players aren't playing anymore. Never seen player who were mentally as though as those two.
Even though she was prone to choke, Navratilova certainly belongs in the upper echelon of mental toughness rankings. Imagine being in your mid 30s and facing Graf and Seles in their prime and beating them, after being wiped off the court by them previously. That takes grit.
You have to be pretty tough to rush the net against Seles, and in the 1987 French final, which Navratilova should have won, she had to come in on crosscourt approach shots the whole match.
I don't agree (the beauty of discussion), it's more of having nothing to lose against Graf/Seles. Navratilova's game gave Graf fits, Seles being lefthanded and powerfull from both sides matched up better against Martina. You would never see Graf or Seles in their prime look nervous or checking with their coaches when it mattered most. This is something that made them so difficult to beat. If both women were playing today with today's ecquipment, they would be awesome as they were. Martina belongs there too, of course, beautiful game. Ridiculous to say Navratilova should have won the RG 87, if she should have won, she would have won.
Prime Graf beats Prime Henin, even on clay.
I shouldn't say ridiculous: respect to each other's opinion. I am getting older and wiser
Sadly I have to say Graf would win most of their meetings since Henin just is not mentally strong enough for a player like Graf. I agree Henin might be the more complete player game-wise slightly but she loses too many matches even against lesser players due to mental fragility. Last year is a real example of this, a shot to win all 4 slams and losing 3 out of 4 finals to much inferior players like Mauresmo and Sharapova. Even this year, losing a chance to win the big 3 slams by losing to Bartoli in the Wimbledon semis after dominating early in the match. Also all those 4th round losses at the U.S Open, way too many for a champion like Justine. So too mentally fragile thus far in her career to have a winning record against a player of the combination of Graf's great overall game, great athletic ability, and amazing mental strength. She would still have some wins, especialy on clay, but overall Graf would have the upper hand.
I agree with your accessment.
For that I thank you
good volleys by them
Justine because of her superior backhand. Slice only might have worked in the 90s, but not these days.
Slice always works, especially in the WTA. You may not hit winners with it, but you won't miss either. I always got annoyed as hell when Agassi and Rafter would get into backhand rallies, and Agassi would crush the ball while Rafter would just slice it right back, and the rally just went on and on.
Graf would have the edge but it would be close.
I may be biased as she is a countrywoman of mine. So, I think Steffi would win this match.:mrgreen:
Until this year, I don't think anyone would have even raised the question. If Graf was playing with modern equipment she'd dominate. She had a stronger fh (compared to the time), stronger serve, was much faster and mentally tougher, and had a great bh slice (although justine's topspin bh is better than her slice). She'd dominate on every surface but clay. maybe on clay, too. she was really tough.
Steffi is too poweful and strong.
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