Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by GerberBaby, Jun 4, 2004.
I'm not going to say who won, but it is finished.
Well Tim played well in the first set and an half but Coria was just too Coria like.
He is the only player to have taken a set off him and to get to the semi's is a real achievement. RG was just a warm up to the big one next month.
Looks like my girl Elena will have to win for me as Tim is out. I want Gaudio to win now as he played really well when beating Big Dave and it was nice to see him showing emotion on the court, he really wants it.
Vamos Gaston and Elena!!!!!!
Nice kiss of death there Liam, do you actually want him to win, if you do then can we just be quiet and watch the tennis rather than make throw-away predictions!
We can be quite what? :?
I just love Liam's predictions. Look out when he points out a candidate, or a match result; in real life, is going to be the exact opposite. Good job, Liam, you can make a great scout.
Liam, be like George Costanza and say the exact opposite of what you are inclined to say.
My brief analysis of the match is that Henman got a bit too greedy in the middle of the 2nd set. His strategy was working to perfection for the first set and a half and it was almost like he couldn't miss. Everything he was doing was working. He was even being patient and ralleying with Coria from the baseline and winning many of the points. I think Henman became just a little "too" overconfident as evidenced by his "Air Sampras" overhead in the middle of the 2nd set. I have NEVER seen Henman try that anywhere. Did you notice that after he hit that shot it went all downhill from there? He started serving and volleying on almost every point and chipping and charging on returns when he should have been more patient like he was in the 1st set. Coria got into a groove and it was off to target practice for him as he started passing Henman all over the place. At the same time, Henman's serve and volleys also started to break down. I guess he didn't realize he was winning many of the points from the backcourt earlier in the match. Coria regained his confidence and Henman lost some of his confidence along with 13 straight games!!
I think had Henman stayed with his original strategy of being patient from the baseline and mixing things up constantly (some S&V, coming in on some 2nd serves, staying back some, some short angle shots, bringing Coria into the net, etc.), he would have won in straight sets. Especially being up 4-2 in the 2nd and knowing that Coria tends to give up when he's way down and has never come back from two sets down.
In the first set and a half, Henman had successfully confused Coria and disrupted his rhythm by not allowing him to get into a groove. He mixed things up well and hit a lot of slice shots which clay courters are not as used to hitting against versus the usual high bouncing top spin strokes. Instead, Henman became just a little bit too aggressive and started losing a lot of points at the net and missed lots of approach shots. I think had he stayed back more and picked the right shots to come in on, he would have won this match. Even so, it was highly entertaining and a real nail biter, especially when Henman won 5 straight games in the 4th only to lose momentum again. So many close shots. Well done, Tim!!!!
Well what can I say. It's a tallent I posses :wink:
Anyway I said Henman would do well and I was the only one at the begining to say the Henman would do it. I think my prediction was bang on, He's kept me on the edge for 3 weeks.
Most people were saying Federer or Moya will win, well my prediction turned out better than their's!!!
I also said Dementieva would do well and she's in the final.
Now thats pretty good if I do say so myself!!
We'll just have to see if the both of us are right about Henman at the big W. I know in an old thread you and I picked Henman to win very early in the year, and this red clay result certainly makes that pick look more legitimate.
Henman is looking better than ever, and without the dominant grass courters around (Federer aside), I think you've got to like Henman's chances.
Did anyone else notice that Tim could have won the fourth set serving at 5-4, and promptly lost 0-40, then got broken on his next service game to lose the match. He has a difficult time closing out big matches, (remember Goran ?) and will have a tough time at Wimbledon again. IMO
Of course we noticed, it was when the match was a bit dodgy, no-one could hold their own serve, Coria had the 13 game run, then tim had a 4 game run then Coria hit back and won the match!
He's a totally different player now than what he was when he bottled it against Goran, i don't think we can feasibly compare the two matches!!!
When are you Henman advocates ever going to learn? Tim is a big time choker, he'll always find a way to lose the "big one". Those easy volleys he missed at the end of the fourth set sealed his fate.
If he gets to the semifinals at Wimbledon he'll do the same thing again.
tim isnt a choker..tim plays serve/volley tennis and that is very high risk. i thought he played as well as anyone could given his playing serve/volley on slow red clay. if any of you have ever played serve/volley, you would know that it is impossible to play pure high risk tennis over that period of time. you are gonna hit patches where the guy either passes you or you have awkward volleys and you make errors or you occassionaly chunk the easy one. it takes tons of ability, patience, energy to play the style that henman does, especially on slow red clay. if you look at matches, most everyone chokes at some points in a match. i think you all are way too tough on henman. to get thru that deep in the tourney tells me what a hell of a player henman is. and no..staying back and ralleying w. coria was not a way to beat coria. i was hoping he would somehow pull that ne out..maybe it would have encouraged more serve/volley and all court play. i think it was just another nail in the serve/volley, all court coffin. i dont think anyone would deny t was exciting to watch that style of play, as opposed to the safety and lesser athlete skills it take to just stay back and play low risk tennis. ed
I don't think it's really necessary to explain the pros and cons of the S&V game, because anyone who know tennis already understands that anyway. Of course Henman is a great athlete, you would have to be to play S&V tennis on that level, I just think todays players are too good at hitting passing shots for it to be effective any longer. I think Sampras will be the last of the great serve & volleyers to win slams (even Wimbledon) mainly because of his huge serve, and powerful forehand (things Tim doesn't possess) that set up his volley.
sure but lots of people on this board evidently dont really know tennis, or they wouldnt have been slaming henman for playing such good T the whole event and being the only one to have taken a set from coria <i think>. this post never really was about comparing sampras to henman i didnt think, but no matter. ed
Henman is the best volleyer in the game. I am so pleased for him to have got to the semi's. I am not slamming him, infact I am praising him.
Coria was just too fast at retrieving the sharp angle volleys and even Sampras couldn't have beaten Coria. Let's face it this kid is awesome.
Henman played better than he ever has before in any GS Semi final. Anyone who lays into him needs to consider a different sport if they couldn't see that.
What an achievement for the lad.
WW Volley. I can't wait until Wimbledon, I said he will do it since 22 January.
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I admit it was a dumb comparison , especially so when you consider that they both have the same number of French Open titles. :wink:
I agree that Henman did a hellava job getting to the semis. Kudos to Tim!!! However, I really do think he had a great chance to win and let this rare opportunity slip away.
I still think there was a very noticable change in Henman's strategy from the middle of the 2nd set. Yes, Coria started playing a little bit better but not that much better. Tim started beating himself by trying to get to the net a bit too early and at the wrong times. He also wasn't serving particulary well and his volleys were off. Had he stuck to his original strategy and played more patiently as he did for the first set and a half, he would have won in straight sets. The serve and volley just wasn't working for him as Coria loves a target to pass against.
I think his success at the net in the first set and a half spoiled him and he thought he could just come in on anything and win the point. Coria adjusted as Tim became more predictable with his rush the net on anything strategy. He stopped mixing it up as well as he did earlier in the match. A real heartbreaker for Tim. What a shame. Best of luck to him at the "Big W".
I agree. There's no doubt in my mind that Tim is good enough player to beat Coria, if only he had played a little smarter, although thats alot easier said than done. Congrats to Tim for getting to the semi's, but I think he let another golden opportunity slip through his fingers.
no worries pushmaster. i am trying to rem the last s.v player to win either the italian or the french. was it jmac? noah won the french but that was in the 80's. adriano panatta won the italian i believe. anyone know for sure? pushmaster i lived in theBurgh all my life until a couple years ago. i'm missing the people, the live music venues and great ethnic restaurants but not the roads or the weather see ya, ed
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