Here comes the rain again, falling on my head like a memory

Juan Ma Del Pony

Professional
not so certain it helps him. If he doesnt play fo a while then has a compressed schedule his recovery tim gets constricted which favors Novak and Murray's younger legs.
Not to mention that due to getting Fognini'd by Fish today, he might not play for 5-6 days if the next 2 days are rained out. This is before meeting a red-hot Berdych, not the ideal preparation for sure.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
T.S. Leslie now comes into play...it would not approach US coastal regions before Sunday but if we go past the weekend it has the potential to be a Cat 2 hurricane by then and outer bands could be on coastline by Monday.
 

CDNguy87

Hall of Fame
Another example of why the USO's backloaded, Super Saturday scheduling is so ridiculous. If this was any other Slam, all the Men's R16 matches would have been completed by now, leaving only a maximum of 3 matches for all players.

But since this is the USO, if Tuesday gets rained out, the bottom half would need to play 4 matches in 5 days to keep the Final on Sunday. If both Tuesday and Wednesday are a wash out, that would be 4 days straight and we'd be looking at a repeat scenario of last year's player revolt. I think for the 5th straight year we're looking at a Monday final here, and the USO has only themselves and their idiotic scheduling to blame. How many more times does this need to happen for the USO to change things?
 
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Another example of why the USO's backloaded, Super Saturday scheduling is so ridiculous. If this was any other Slam, all the Men's R16 matches would have been completed now, leaving only a maximum of 3 matches for all players.

But since this is the USO, if Tuesday gets rained out, the bottom half would need to play 4 matches in 5 days to keep the Final on Sunday. If both Tuesday and Wednesday are a wash out, that would be 4 days straight and we'd be looking at a repeat scenario of last year's player revolt. I think for the 5th straight year we're looking at a Monday final here, and the USO has only themselves and their idiotic scheduling to blame. How many more times does this need to happen for the USO to change things?

To be quite blunt , it wont. Not until the ads/ commercials arent what makes Saturday a good day to schedule tennis at the Open.
Lets face it , its what pays for the tourny that makes plays in the tourny.

For better or for worse. Who knows?
 
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romeo8880

G.O.A.T.
I don't remember...was the final last year played in the morning, afternoon, or evening(new York time)?
 

joeri888

G.O.A.T.
late afternoon evening , right? lights were on for sure in the end although they played the lights out :) was a great match that final!
Not sure if serious. It was a one-sided grindfest. Pure blasphemy against the way hardcourts tennis is supposed to be. If they were dead, Laver, McEnroe, Borg, Connors, and even Sampras and Federer would have been turning in their graves.
 
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Not sure if serious. It was a one-sided grindfest. Pure blasphemy against the way hardcourts tennis is supposed to be. If they were dead, Laver, McEnroe, Borg, Connors, and even Sampras and Federer would have been turning in their graves.

Borg liked it. He was in fact, very excited about the way they played. Not sure what Mac said, do you know?
 
On the rain theme, i guess what goes up has to come down.Worldwide mean average temperatures are rising.
The oceans are heating and the ice is melting. That means more moisture. Moisture becomes rain.
Jetstreams and currents are affected and we get changes and more extreme weather.

Thats generally speaking on a global scale.
But it does happen and it happens to happen sometimes where we are happening.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
To be quite blunt , it wont. Not until the ads/ commercials arent what makes Saturday a good day to schedule tennis at the Open.
Lets face it , its what pays for the tourny that makes plays in the tourny.
How come the other slam events do without super saturday ?
 

skip1969

G.O.A.T.
well, supposedly this the last year of the backloaded schedule . . . but i will believe it when i see it.

it doesn't look good for today, though. big band of showers to come through. boo.
 

joeri888

G.O.A.T.
Can anyone actually post something that makes sense? Like a more detailed weather prediction? Is play gonna rain out today? When are the dry spells gonna be? Are they going to move women's matches away from AA and LA stadium?
 

skip1969

G.O.A.T.
it's front page on the uso website, dude.

"The current weather forecast calls for rain showers on and off throughout the day. The forecast does call for possible periods of clearing, so today’s day session will go forward as scheduled. We will provide regular updates throughout the day. Please check usopen.org for the latest information.

We will provide an update on the Evening session at 3pm this afternoon."
 

mikeler

Moderator
On the rain theme, i guess what goes up has to come down.Worldwide mean average temperatures are rising.
The oceans are heating and the ice is melting. That means more moisture. Moisture becomes rain.
Jetstreams and currents are affected and we get changes and more extreme weather.

Thats generally speaking on a global scale.
But it does happen and it happens to happen sometimes where we are happening.

Another weather thread, another global warming reference. :roll:
 

spiderman123

Professional
They should cancel all Women's matches, give Serena the trophy and have a lottery system to determine the runner-up. That way we will have more time to finish men's matches, women players would be ok as this gives them a good chance to be a runner-up without getting humiliated.
 
They should cancel all Women's matches, give Serena the trophy and have a lottery system to determine the runner-up. That way we will have more time to finish men's matches, women players would be ok as this gives them a good chance to be a runner-up without getting humiliated.
Lets go a bit further , womens tennis is boring ,dont you agree? why not scrap it altogether so that we can enjoy some real tennis.
 

tennisenthusiast

Hall of Fame
They should cancel all Women's matches, give Serena the trophy and have a lottery system to determine the runner-up. That way we will have more time to finish men's matches, women players would be ok as this gives them a good chance to be a runner-up without getting humiliated.
I totally agree with you.

That makes so much sense! At least there is someone who thinks pragmatically about WTA!
 

joeri888

G.O.A.T.
it's front page on the uso website, dude.

"The current weather forecast calls for rain showers on and off throughout the day. The forecast does call for possible periods of clearing, so today’s day session will go forward as scheduled. We will provide regular updates throughout the day. Please check usopen.org for the latest information.

We will provide an update on the Evening session at 3pm this afternoon."
Thanks. But I thought there'd be some New Yorkers around here who know a bit more maybe.

I think they should already decide to divide the matches over the courts. Put Djokovic first on Ashe, Ferrer first on Armstrong, and The women's matches on the grandstand.
 

joeri888

G.O.A.T.
By the way, what does this type of weather and the predicted weather mean for conditions? Speed and heigth of bounce?
 

JoelDali

Talk Tennis Guru
Ever since Uncle Toni put the Clay Crystals in the mixture in 2010 the courts have played much slower.
 

joeri888

G.O.A.T.
Much faster and much higher:)

Do you play tennis at all?
Thank you. And please define tennis. I think I play by the rules of tennis, but that's about it. What I do (only occassionally) has nothing to do with tennis.

And btw, I do not play on a hardcourt (in a gigantic stadium) with high temperatures during dry spells. Take this all into account.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
To be quite blunt , it wont. Not until the ads/ commercials arent what makes Saturday a good day to schedule tennis at the Open.
Lets face it , its what pays for the tourny that makes plays in the tourny.

For better or for worse. Who knows?
Actually this is the last year of super saturday.

And while it's a dumb schedule, if it rains for several days in a row, any tournament in the world is going to get screwed up
 

CDNguy87

Hall of Fame
Actually this is the last year of super saturday.

And while it's a dumb schedule, if it rains for several days in a row, any tournament in the world is going to get screwed up

Wimbledon and AO have roofs, so at least for the 2nd week where there are not as many singles matches, it could rain every day and they could still conceivably get the matches in roughly on schedule by turning it into essentially an indoor tournament (which isn't far off from what Wimbledon actually did this year).

I don't think the USO necessarily needs a roof (NYC's late summer climate is not like England's notwithstanding the last 4 years), but if not, then they need to allow more flexibility in the 2nd week scheduling to potentially adjust for bad weather.
 
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kanamit

Hall of Fame
It's so surprising that there's a tendency for significant rainfall to occur in the midst of the tropical cyclone/hurricane season.

What a revelation this must be to the bean-counters who thought a roof would be too expensive.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
It's so surprising that there's a tendency for significant rainfall to occur in the midst of the tropical cyclone/hurricane season.

What a revelation this must be to the bean-counters who thought a roof would be too expensive.
An architectural feasibility study was made and experts feel the ground at Flushing BJK Center is not suitable to handle the weight of any roof design for Ashe. They are spending $500 million this decade on the best renovations possible. Short of razing Ashe and starting from scratch, there is no way to cover the main court at the USO.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
An architectural feasibility study was made and experts feel the ground at Flushing BJK Center is not suitable to handle the weight of any roof design for Ashe. They are spending $500 million this decade on the best renovations possible. Short of razing Ashe and starting from scratch, there is no way to cover the main court at the USO.
I think they know they need a roofed stadium, but as you pointed out, it's not feasible for Ashe, and having the roof on a court other than the main stadium is something the USTA is not going to do.

So, why not just start over? I honestly think they don't believe Ashe is old enough yet and they want to get more use out of it first. After they get some more years out of Ashe, then they'll start over and build a main stadium with a roof.
 

skip1969

G.O.A.T.
if only they'd thought it through better before they built the damned thing. alls they really took into consideration was how many seats they could cram in. pretty lame.

architecture is so high tech these days, and it sucks that such a (supposedly) important venue was not given the adequate thought.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
It will still be about the stability of the ground vs the structural weight of any roof capable of covering a large enough stadium. Ashe sits on top of a "swamp-like ash dump" (Ashe on an ash-dump...LOL), according to The New York Times' Richard Sandomir (6/24/12). The new Armstrong site is better suited for a roofed venue of 15,000. Could it handle a 20,000+ capacity plan with a roof? No one answered that but I think if it could, USTA would have gone green light on the plan. They may be banking on more advances in lightweight metals to remedy this all in the 2020's.
 
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bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
if only they'd thought it through better before they built the damned thing. alls they really took into consideration was how many seats they could cram in. pretty lame.

architecture is so high tech these days, and it sucks that such a (supposedly) important venue was not given the adequate thought.
It's not THAT crazy that they didn't plan a roof for Ashe. At the time it was built, the AO was still the only Slam with a roof, with Wimbledon and the FO still far off (and the FO still hasn't added their roof yet). It was not the norm by any means.

Plus, at that time, though rain delays regularly occurred, there had never been a period of five years like we've had recently to really raise the outrage over not having a stadium. People seemed to accept rain delays as an inevitable part of a sport which had been played primarily outdoors for a very long time.

Now, the collective outrage level has snowballed because fans have other venues to compare Ashe to, have the means to complain (the internet) and get riled up by other people's posts. Plus, people seem to just be generally more impatient.

None of this is to say that there shouldn't be a roof. But, when Ashe was conceived and built, it was hardly crazy to exclude a roof.
 
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Cormorant

Professional
Raining right now in Manhattan. Sky is dark as fuch. No matches today folks.
Wasn't it raining in Manhattan during the Sharapova/Azarenka match? I don't know that the weather in that island has ever been a reliable indicator of what's going on in Queens.

And whilst I'm no native of NYC, if I want to see what the weather in Queens is like I'd check out this webcam on Queens Blvd: http://nyctmc.org/google_popup.php?cid=161. The lens looks spattered with raindrops at the moment, and the street is wet, so the forecast is accurate so far. And what's this about a tornado warning??
 
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