Zara
G.O.A.T.
Shapo needs to be patient and that's the key to his game but he wants to be a showboat instead.
Here is what happen in the match between Shapovalov vs Nadal
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Shapo needs to be patient and that's the key to his game but he wants to be a showboat instead.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Shapo didn't push it in 5th .Nadal basically gifted the two sets and even the final but Shapo refused to take it
Nadal was barely moving but he saved many bps in the 5th set . Shapo did absolutely nothing in this match. Nadal even had multiple bps in the 4th set while not moving lol. It was a weird match.Statistics shows every single match Nadal is over the allowed time, and statistics also shows that Nadal clock is always started 10-15 sec. after the point is over, and this is only for him.
So otherwise Nadal stats will be 40+ secs on serve.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Bro, Roger also took the mto and he even admitted that he felt like taking it . Is that not a gamemanship? But hey, Fed must be resolved of all blame , no ?
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
I guess he was gassed and was saving his energy for the serve. Had he moved he would have lost the 5th set .
Zara
G.O.A.T.
Doesn't make you respect Rafa either if he has to resorts to gamesmanship. I wouldn't want for any player to do that but I guess most players do it at some point or another. The sport is too competitive so it's not highly surprising but it also compromises the spirit of the game as fans feel cheated and of course, the players. And the match becomes far too controversial.
It's a shame that you can exploit a player by playing mind games and do things to make them explode mentally. At the same time, Shapo really needs to mature and not give into these weaknesses of his. Easier said than done of course.
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Zara
G.O.A.T.
Any form of cheating is wrong no matter who does it.
Well, there you go! This is why Djofedal is Djofedal. The other two handled Nadal’s tactics. Couldn’t agree more. I teach my son, whenever he’s complaining that someone is cheating, to be so good to win no matter how much they are cheating.
Show me a quote of him saying this. And which MTO you are even talking about. Cause if it was against Wawrinka, it was Stan that took MTO first. So get your facts straight.
How many MTO Federer have in his career, and how many Nadal? Nadal probably had like 50, Fed no more than 5, and probably most of them are after he was already 35+.
TopspintheTerrible
Hall of Fame
When Shapo wins 13 French Opens, he can cheat too.
You are not alone on this one.
This is a huge thing, and mess with opponents big time.
Zara
G.O.A.T.
Reading this , a question comes to my mind especially during this Forced-vaccination Australian Era .
What if it was Djokovic ,instead of Rafa Nadal today ?
I think Commentators would instigate the listeners to hate Djokovic and throw racial slurs too .
There would be lynch mobs ( Aussie Darcy ) trying to enter the court to physically harm Djovak .
Prime minister Moronison sending Border police to arrest Djovak midway during match and send him to the detention .
Anglo Australian media celebrating Djovak arrest with dance events all day and Australia declares Public holiday .
A part of me is incredibly glad that Novak is not playing this AO after the drama. It would have been very difficult for him to play let alone win a match.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
How do you think Governments win elections and rule over all of us ? I don't live in delusion .
TopspintheTerrible
Hall of Fame
The reality is Joker, Fed & Nadal are going to do what they want on court & generally umpires aren’t going to do anything about it.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
Same here .
I am afraid of Monica seles kinda incident happening with Novak .
I have never seen such level of hatred for any foreign player ever , that I saw in Anglo Australians for Novak .
A part of me wants Novak to never return to Australia and a part of me wants him to return there and win again and show them their place .
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
Temperature and exhaustion and who you are a fan for equals excuses!
Time between points from end of 4th set to beginning 5th sert was under 7 minutes according to ESPN. That's pretty much in line with a bathroom break. Not saying Rafa didn't use all the time he could - he always does, but wasn't grossly egregious.
killerboss
Professional
Federer was also taking too long with the towels against Cilic when Cilic was ready to serve and he wasn't there. Umpire needs to enforce these sort of things (often subjective and not so clear cut anyway imo). Personally I have no sympathy for Shapovalov though. He can't beat a 35 year old at his worst slam, that's on him.
catskillthunder
Professional
If you break it down and do the math its not as bad as you're making it out to be. Over 1250 matches and an alleged 50 MTO, is only 1 MTO every 25 matches played. Thats nearly all 4 major tournaments worth of matches
Zara
G.O.A.T.
To be honest, I am afraid of the same especially after seeing some reaction on this very forum and in general. Very eye opening! You never know who's thinking what or going to do what. I think Novak will be vulnerable everywhere especially now that these fans can use the 'unvaccinated' card against him to unleash their original anger.
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Nadal was the first man ever to win a masters event with the shot clock, and the first man ever to win a slam with the shot clock.
Also, during the Denis-Nadal match, the commentators showed a stat on the screen in the 2nd Set, Nadal was only taking 2 more seconds than Denis in between service points.
In other words, Denis is a fraud.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Cilic is notoriously slow to serve and tends to bounce the ball a lot, him moaning at Fed the one time he decides to not do his usual routine is just funny. Fed in that instance was probably still faster than Nadal most of the time anyway. Besides that an outlier from Fed doesn't equate to a pattern of behaviour from Nadal going back years. I don't have sympathy of Shapo either BTW, Nadal was there for the taking but he didn't have the talent or the mental strength to finish the deed. However that doesn't make Nadal's on-court behaviour acceptable in my eyes.
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TheNachoMan
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killerboss
Professional
And why should that matter? Bottom line is he wasn't ready when Cilic was (or so Cilic claims) and it's supposed to be play to the speed of the server. And I have just rewatched Shapavolov's "you're all corrupt" rant (was half asleep at the time tbh). The guy is a clown looking for excuses. It was literally after the first set and Nadal literally took a matter of a few extra seconds to get to his standing position. Guy's a clown looking for excuses.
He may even be a bigger goof than Medvedev this tournament, who has managed to dupe some of his fans that his genuine on court saltyness is all entertainment.
I guess the way Nadal stacked the medical evaluation and the bathroom break at the end of set 4 is a little... suspect, but at the end of the day it's Shapo's fault if that throws him. I imagine it's tough to have such an extended break when you feel loose and in the zone, but true champions have to be prepared for all kinds of challenges.
DSH
Bionic Poster
I thought that breaking the racket like crazy and throwing them into the stands was considered worse.
It blows my mind on tiebreak changeovers in particular – Rafa sometimes leaves the other guy standing there waiting to serve for like 20 seconds and the ump says nothing. Ridiculous. It's a continuous changeover, maybe time for a quick sip of water, not ruffling through every last thing on your bench.
Azure
G.O.A.T.
Lol thats a funny name!People are offended by Rafa , they should be offended by Shapo-pulav
In the last two games , Rafa was serving WTA serves and Shapo-pulav wasn't even able to return back those serves haha
initialize
Hall of Fame
Yeah Nadal and Djokovic both take their sweet time between points and it pisses me off to no end.
Nadal was literally half-stepping and taking double the amount of time it normally takes between points.
Add in his 50 slow-ball bounces on serve, hair combing, sweat-wiping, and ass-picking, and he's basically taken a full week vacation of rest between points
Nadal was literally half-stepping and taking double the amount of time it normally takes between points.
Add in his 50 slow-ball bounces on serve, hair combing, sweat-wiping, and ass-picking, and he's basically taken a full week vacation of rest between points
NatF
Bionic Poster
Context matters no? Fed should have been ready but he wasn't actively trying to slow down play he was just expecting Cilic to take longer because that's what Cilic usually does. That's a different scenario to Nadal consistently making the server play to his place. Honestly don't see how you can equate the two especially when I said one is an outlier and the other is a well known pattern.
And yes Shapo like all the #NextGen is a clown.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
Azure
G.O.A.T.
His mind was certainly a pulav but yes, i am not a big fan of Rafa’s tactics either. Fair is fair.
I wish I could be awful like that, taking two sets from Nadal....you mean awfully good?
Ha, ha! What stomach injury? Nadal looked to be in splendid shape.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
It actually makes it worse if this is a habit of Nadal, something which is expected, and the officials play along with it. It gets worse, not better, with the expectations.
You obviously have no comeback. I asked you what was awful about winning two sets from Nadal. No answer? Not surprised.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
I didn't get to watch the match . I only got to watch last set and I was offended the way Shapo was unable to return WTA serves of Rafa . Those were weak serves .
Even Rafa must be surprised how the hell he won ?
Well sure, I'm no stranger to being annoyed by Nadal's time tactics. Clearly Shapo isn't either. But my point was rather that Shapovalov being annoyed by the ump's laxity or inconsistent enforcing of the rules is – or should be – independent of his performance in the fifth set. If he wants to make further strides as a player, he needs to set stuff like that aside. Instead he got upset and folded like a cheap plastic table against a Nadal playing like 30% of his best tennis.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal was barely moving over those two sets, he would have dropped them against any other top-50 player. Why do you try to post about the match when you so clearly didn't watch it? It makes you look like a fool.
That's right, a race to the bottom. Let everybody cheat. Actually, Shap should have made some obvious violations of his own just to make the point. Goof around a bit.
yourtennisfit
Professional
I don't know which match you have seen, but in the one I watched Rafa wasn't able to run for more than 3 shots and basically didn't show up for return games.
You think that is what you do in splendid shape?
TopspintheTerrible
Hall of Fame
On court, The Big 3 do what they want. And unless it’s something particularly egregious, umps aren’t going to do much about it. And it’s def not going to change at this stage in their careers.
Shap should have made some obvious violations of his own and goofed around to make the point.
FlamingCheeto
Hall of Fame
Summary:
Shapo choked and had to blame everyone else but himself.
Shapo choked and had to blame everyone else but himself.
TopspintheTerrible
Hall of Fame
Shapo was screaming at his box and dropping f bombs nonstop & nothing happened. Djokovic and Nadal have always been slow players. Have always taken MTOs & extended bathroom breaks when things aren’t going their way. And if it wasn’t for Tsitsipas, there would have been no changes to bathroom break rules.
yourtennisfit
Professional
I would have used some humour, Shap could have fooled around and imitated Nadal, played around delaying serve, grabbed his stomach in fake pain, whatever...get some laughs from the crowd.
TopspintheTerrible
Hall of Fame
I don’t think they would have been on his side tbh. Murray acts the same way, constantly moaning and screaming at his box. And if he wasn’t a fan fave, he would be booed. Shapo doesn’t have the same crowd support.
IgoatFerlkeVogus
Rookie
Rafael Nadal had to use all his experience as a statesman of the tour to calm a situation that was ready to explode as Canadian young gun Denis Shapovalov and chair umpire Carlos Bernardes got in a heated disagreement over the Spanish star's pace of play at the end of the first set of their quarter-final.
Nadal closed out the first set 6-3 and Shapovalov was left peeved at the time the veteran Spaniard was taking in between points ahead of the second set.
Shapovalov approached umpire Bernardes prior to the first game of the set and urged him to call Nadal for a time violation.
"Started the clock so long ago and he's still not ready to play. You've gotta call him," the Canadian told the Brazilian official.
Minutes later, after Shapovalov won his first service game of the second set, the Canadian gestured to the umpire with eight seconds left on Nadal's shot clock, only this time Bernardes was not having any of it.
Shapovalov: He's not ready to play!
Bernardes: You're not ready either.
Shapovalov: What do you mean I'm not ready to play?
Bernardes: Because you're coming to talk to me.
Shapovalov: You guys are all corrupt...
Bernardes: You have eight seconds to play, what do you want? Why are you looking at me like you have to watch, you have the shot clock for this.
After the heated exchange with the chair umpire, Shapovalov and Nadal met at the net to discuss what was annoying the young Canadian so much.
"Rafa walked up with authority as if to say, 'Now son, come here' and put his hand out gently as to say, 'We don't have issues. You just get back there and play and we'll get it all done'," Todd Woodbridge said on commentary for Nine.
"It was like a senior defusing moment. A lot of other players would've gone a lot hotter a lot quicker than Rafa did."
Shapovalov was criticised for his move by US tennis great Jim Courier, who said the 22-year-old was "out of order".
"The shot clock was at seven and he had his hands up in the air like Nadal was doing something wrong," he said on Nine's coverage.
"Here we go, a conversation between the two players, we don't see that too often do we?
"Shapovalov has no business putting his hands up in the air when there's still time on the clock.
"If the clock's zero, then he should say, 'Bernardes, call it'. The frustration from the first set is bubbling over a little bit."
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