Here is what happen in the match between Shapovalov vs Nadal

[intrepidish]

Did Nadal say he has respect for Carlos Bernardes? this time & that last time too!

After his first-round victory at the French Open on Tuesday, Nadal said he respects Bernardes, but it is "better for both of us if we are not (on a) court at the same time for a while."

Such paradoxical statements. & yes the top end of town are always receiving little bonuses. Because this is what can happen to you if you try to stick to the rules. You may lose your job!

Happens in every sport. Much the same as winning a penalty against Man United @ Old Trafford where the ref would get mobbed by the entire team lol!

& let's be fair here. The smaller guys only complain because it goes against them. If they were in Nadal's position, they'd likely do the exact same thing. Such is life

Carlos didn't lose his job in the slightest and players on tour do put in requests regarding umpires. If you've been around for a while you would know this.

 

[mr tonyz]

Carlos didn't lose his job in the slightest and players on tour do put in requests regarding umpires. If you've been around for a while you would know this.

Putting in a request behind the scenes & officially calling out an umpire are two separate things. Furthermore, one is a request & the other is basically banning the umpire from your matches.

& how can a player say that he respects an umpire but then say he doesn't want him officiating his matches?? & of course who knows how the lower ranked players requests are handled in comparison to the higher ranked players.

& this is why umpires 'fall in line'. Sure he did not lose his job, but who knows how many other big time matches he missed out on etc because of it. Now you can see why umpires have discretion @ when they choose to press the shotclock button/how many times the clock hits zero but still no code violation ensues. Why not just let Rafa do what he does & make life easier for yourself? As we can see what happens when the rules are followed a little more strictly.

 

[intrepidish]

Putting in a request behind the scenes & officially calling out an umpire are two separate things. Furthermore, one is a request & the other is basically banning the umpire from your matches.

& how can a player say that he respects an umpire but then say he doesn't want him officiating his matches?? & of course who knows how the lower ranked players requests are handled in comparison to the higher ranked players.

& this is why umpires 'fall in line'. Sure he did not lose his job, but who knows how many other big time matches he missed out on etc because of it. Now you can see why umpires have discretion @ when they choose to press the shotclock button/how many times the clock hits zero but still no code violation ensues. Why not just let Rafa do what he does & make life easier for yourself? As we can see what happens when the rules are followed a little more strictly.

They aren't separate things; it's a player working to move an umpire from his matches which is far from uncommon. Shapovalov also just called all umpires corrupt which in some regards is a far more grave offense, actually.

You grossly exaggerated about Carlos 'losing his job' and didn't seem aware that plenty of players are putting pressure on umpires themselves.

The shot clock is not hitting zero 'plenty of times'; I see most of Nadal's matches and I'm rarely even shown the shot clock in the first place. Stop pulling things out of your ass.

 

[yourtennisfit]

You cannot argue with them anyways - they just want to complain about Nadal and timekeeping, since they loose their minds about the danger of #21.

Nobody can even explain why there was no MTO announced between 4th and 5th set. The only one calling it MTO is Shapo himself, all other outlets speak of a toilet break.
Plus - Nadal has locked horns with Bernardes a couple of times, but Carlos has never been shy of warning Rafa in the first place.

This is all getting ridiculous - and all because somebody wants to complain...

 

[mr tonyz]

They aren't separate things; it's a player working to move an umpire from his matches which is far from uncommon. Shapovalov also just called all umpires corrupt which in some regards is a far more grave offense, actually.

You grossly exaggerated about Carlos 'losing his job' and didn't seem aware that plenty of players are putting pressure on umpires themselves.

The shot clock is not hitting zero 'plenty of times'; I see most of Nadal's matches and I'm rarely even shown the shot clock in the first place. Stop pulling things out of your ass.

I've watched Rafa play for a really long time & i've looked up his stats on time between points & they aren't quick. The guy quite often makes servers work to his pace.

Really mature final statement there, shows me who i'm wasting my time with here. You keep your views, i'll stick with statistics.

 

[mr tonyz]

The shot clock is not hitting zero 'plenty of times'; I see most of Nadal's matches and I'm rarely even shown the shot clock in the first place

Stop clock. Counting the seconds in between points. Not a hard workaround.

 

[yourtennisfit]

Stop clock. Counting the seconds in between points. Not a hard workaround.

The rule purposefully gives the ref some flexibility in when to start the clock, there have been numerous players (not called Nadal) that have requested more time even when playing in hot and humid conditions. This enables players to reach their towel, breathe etc

And to all your stats - no one here is claiming that Rafa is a fast server, but a lot of players use this (FAA today, Djoker always on close points etc).
Shapo should have known and anybody who has played tennis at 30+ degrees understands the value of another 5 seconds

 

[mr tonyz]

The rule purposefully gives the ref some flexibility in when to start the clock, there have been numerous players (not called Nadal) that have requested more time even when playing in hot and humid conditions. This enables players to reach their towel, breathe etc

And to all your stats - no one here is claiming that Rafa is a fast server, but a lot of players use this (FAA today, Djoker always on close points etc).
Shapo should have known and anybody who has played tennis at 30+ degrees understands the value of another 5 seconds

I disagree with discretion. It defeats the purpose of having a shot clock to begin with. You may as well remove discretion & set the shot clock to 30 seconds if this is the case.

So in my view, you either have a hard set auto shot clock, or just go back to the old rules.

Let's not forget. Even with a hard set shot clock, it still only counts for first serve. What about lets & second serves? How much more time is wasted between points there??

 

[yourtennisfit]

I disagree with discretion. It defeats the purpose of having a shot clock to begin with. You may as well remove discretion & set the shot clock to 30 seconds if this is the case.

So in my view, you either have a hard set auto shot clock, or just go back to the old rules.

Let's not forget. Even with a hard set shot clock, it still only counts for first serve. What about lets & second serves? How much more time is wasted between points there??

Well you're not a player on tour and I would guess these guys know what they need to perform

But regardless of that - when would you then see the "start of serve"? Beginning of bounce (Djokovic)? Could still take another 10 seconds to serve.
Things in tennis are just not automatic or hard counts - that's what this sport is all about. An automatic serve clock wouldn't work in the first place because of spectators and their noise - it's not like basketball where you just play regardless.

I am sorry to say so, but if you think a hard set serve clock would work, you don't know much about the dynamics of a tennis match

 

[mr tonyz]

But regardless of that - when would you then see the "start of serve"? Beginning of bounce (Djokovic)? Could still take another 10 seconds to serve.

The rule is there. The beginning of the serve motion.This is the current rule. This is when the shot clock stops.

So i mean as a sport. I remember a statistic from the Madrid '09 slugfest between Rafa & Djoker. That match was 5+ hours with the actual 'live ball time' being 45 minutes.

Tennis is great. But there is simply far too much time in between points. It's like 75%-25% in between points time/changeovers etc vs live ball time.

I suppose the slowing of the courts to aid a more baseline heavy play can counter my argument here.

Plus tennis is another sport that has to keep the crowds quiet. I'm not sure why this is? NBA/ European Football etc, can have crowds screaming & the players play through it.

Not sure why tennis has to have so many things to cater towards it. Rich mans sport for sure.

 

[intrepidish]

Stop clock. Counting the seconds in between points. Not a hard workaround.

Are you even reading the posts? You can't reliably just 'count seconds' because the clock starts from when the umpire decides the conditions obtain.

Since you don't have the same criteria as the umpire and aren't keeping a log of his times you have no way of knowing what you claim.

 

[vernonbc]

I've watched Rafa play for a really long time & i've looked up his stats on time between points & they aren't quick. The guy quite often makes servers work to his pace.

Really mature final statement there, shows me who i'm wasting my time with here. You keep your views, i'll stick with statistics.

Statistics. Where is this magical place where you're finding statistics for the shot clock or time between serves? Link please.

 

[PilotPete]

I've seen someone take a MTO to cut their nails lmao

That's the point. Nadal is a faker.

 

[roysid]

You cannot argue with them anyways - they just want to complain about Nadal and timekeeping, since they loose their minds about the danger of #21.

Nobody can even explain why there was no MTO announced between 4th and 5th set. The only one calling it MTO is Shapo himself, all other outlets speak of a toilet break.
Plus - Nadal has locked horns with Bernardes a couple of times, but Carlos has never been shy of warning Rafa in the first place.

This is all getting ridiculous - and all because somebody wants to complain...

How things change. Now bernerdes is new best friend of nadal. Plus he speaks spanish

 

[Gazelle]

I shall borrow this for when Nadal loses and the injuries excuses resurface

I already have a hinch it's gonna be either 'sore foot' or 'couldn't train his defence'.

 

[MichaelNadal]

I shall borrow this for when Nadal loses and the injuries excuses resurface

I already have a hinch it's gonna be either 'sore foot' or 'couldn't train his defence'.

No one should need to "cope" if Nadal loses a HC slam semi or final at 35 lol

 

[roysid]

Poor Nadal. Again got a day match.
So hes playing 5 day and only 1 night match. Quite a record

 

[Karma Tennis]

Poor Nadal. Again got a day match.

Nadal wanted the Day matches. His game is much better suited to Day matches. And he has made another Major Final as a result.

 

[roysid]

Nadal wanted the Day matches. His game is much better suited to Day matches. And he has made another Major Final as a result.

It almost backfired in shapopalov match. Had a heat stroke, medically treated. Could have lost the match

 

[fmdlnt_tennis]

Credit to Nadal that he made another AO final at this age. Whether he employed tactical MTOs is beside the point. A pro like Shapovalov is expected to handle such disruptions. If he could not bring his best game when it mattered, he lost deservedly.

 

[Karma Tennis]

Credit to Nadal the he one another Major Title. His second AO Title.

Completes his Dual Career Grand Slam. Now only one of four male players to achieve that feat.

Achieves his 21st Major Title and goes clear of his two greatest rivals.