Hewitt doesn't rate Tomic..

forthegame said:
Just saw this:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/l...-tomic-not-ready/story-e6frf9if-1225815344933

Didn't realise there was beef between them. IIRC, Hewitt seems to have rubbed a lot of folks the wrong way, this one of them scenarios?
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From what i read when Wimbledon was on, it seemed that Tomic did indeed snub Hewitt, who didn't take it very well, Tomic does have a case of a very pushy Father though which has caused trouble for him, I didn't know about him sledging Luzcak though.

Still Think Luczak should go in, he's higher Ranked and has what Tomic doesn't, Experience.
Tomic will get his chance for Davis Cup, he needs to get the results first though.

Tennis Australia really needs to pick up the act though, Hopefully they can get a good leader when they elect a president later this year
 
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Tempest344 said:
From what i read when Wimbledon was on, it seemed that Tomic did indeed snub Hewitt, who didn't take it very well, Tomic does have a case of "Tennis Father" though which has caused some trouble for him, I didn't know about him sledging Luzcak though.

Tennis Australia really needs to pick up the act though, Hopefully they can get a good leader when they elect a president later this year
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What's a 'tennis father'?
 
Tomic has no weapons in his game at all to challenge anyone in the top 100, Hewitt is absolutely right.
 
luczaks a great guy and team player. But he's not the future of aussie tennis.

And unless the tie is a clay court, he shouldn't have priority over tomic.

Time to put these young guns in real rubbers, just like we did with carsten ball and gooch.

TA must follow its youth policy all the way, from AO WC to davis cup selections.

I bet tomic would have gladly played in india last year, unlike hewitt.
 
Hewitt is right, Tomic isn't ready at all. He may be an excellent junior, but he is not an accomplished pro player yet.
 
Tempest344 said:
From what i read when Wimbledon was on, it seemed that Tomic did indeed snub Hewitt, who didn't take it very well, Tomic does have a case of a very pushy Father though which has caused trouble for him, I didn't know about him sledging Luzcak though.

Still Think Luczak should go in, he's higher Ranked and has what Tomic doesn't, Experience.
Tomic will get his chance for Davis Cup, he needs to get the results first though.

Tennis Australia really needs to pick up the act though, Hopefully they can get a good leader when they elect a president later this year
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Tennis Australia is in BIG trouble at the moment.

The presidential election last year was won by the same incompetant fool that has been running Tennis Australia for the last few years. And all you in the rest of the world can see the current state of Australian Tennis. Who is our best male player? How old is he? Now, where are the rest of the male Australian tennis ranked?
Female tennis players are slightly better off: Stosur and Dokic to name a few, but are they really champion material?
We used to win Davis Cups, now we are stuck in the qualifying stages?

Talking with many (unrelated to one another) coaches and 'youf hopefuls' around the North Shore and North West of Sydney, there is alot of discontent with the current administration, and most worryingly of all, with the changes they are making to the coaching qualification process.

EDIT: I'll elaborate on this (and also how money is distributed by Tennis Australia to it's players to help them out on the ATP tour) in it's own thread when I have the time.




And to set the record straight forthegame, Tomic snubbed Hewitt when Hewitt offered to have a hit with Tomic. Thus the animosity.
 
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Tomic claimed to have swine flu, and had proof of this.

Hewitt wasn't out of line to say this, and took no swipe at Tomic, just stated the damn obvious.
 
fair point by hewitt....tomic lost to lindahl and ebden both of which arent that good of players anyway, not top100 or 150...
 
Who knows, this might be Tomic's breakthrough opportunity. He got the AO wildcard right? Is there anyone els it could have gone to?
 
VillaVilla said:
Who is our best male player?
How old is he?
Now, where are the rest of the male Australian tennis ranked?
Stosur and Dokic to name a few, but are they really champion material?
We used to win Davis Cups, now we are stuck in the qualifying stages?

Talking with many (unrelated to one another) coaches and 'youf hopefuls' around the North Shore and North West of Sydney, there is alot of discontent with the current administration, and most worryingly of all, with the changes they are making to the coaching qualification process.

EDIT: I'll elaborate on this (and also how money is distributed by Tennis Australia to it's players to help them out on the ATP tour) in it's own thread when I have the time.
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Tomic is our best followed by Ball. No point dwelling on older players. Look to the future.
Tomic is #10, Ball is #3
Yes, I believe stosur has won doubles slams.
We're competing against more countries who have fewer national sports siphoning away talented young athletes.
It's just long over due tightening of the coaching standards. Coaches who continually endeavor to increase there knowledge and show the required evidence should be rewarded. No coach should have a TA certification for life.

I'd love to hear more. Ultimately it's about everyone in the tennis chain, from grassroots coaches, elite players to administration being responsible for the state of tennis in our country. Coaches can't expect certs renewal unless they choose to continue with education. The players can't expect support without meeting targeted results. which they'll have happily agreed to when signing for TA provided government funds.
 
Ronny said:
fair point by hewitt....tomic lost to lindahl and ebden both of which arent that good of players anyway, not top100 or 150...
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Hewy is talking ****. He really should shut his mouth and not sprout off to the media about tomic.

Ebden has been on a roll tearing up the local futures circuit. his game has greatly improved since his first AO WC playoff few years back.
Linners has strange results, he can play outstanding and so average. But he's been consistently ranked 250-350 for 3 years. Time for him make a move up this AO. He'll still pull in any chic he wants...winning or losing..
Both are solid players who with any luck could break 150.
 
if I remember correctly they have history between them.What happened was that Hewitt wanted a practice partner at one slam once,and he asked for Tomic.Tomic said ok but then said that he couldn't make it and then Hewitt came to the court to find out he was practising with someone else,robredo? .. tomic father is an a$$hole and has created already many problems.
 
malakas said:
if I remember correctly they have history between them.What happened was that Hewitt wanted a practice partner at one slam once,and he asked for Tomic.Tomic said ok but then said that he couldn't make it and then Hewitt came to the court to find out he was practising with someone else,robredo? .. tomic father is an a$$hole and has created already many problems.
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Actually Tomic declined Hewitt because his dad said that Hewitt was not good enough to be hitting with Tomic... I would be mad also if I was a former world number 1 and some random kid's father insulted me by saying that I wasn't good enough to hit with a kid...
 
I don´t give much for Tomic tbh.
He is certainly a talented player who has a future, but I can´t say I don´t agree with Hewitt. It´s not all about experience, but it´s a great deal of pro tennis.
I don´t really understand why they should consider Tomic for the second spot, as long as they´ve got players as Luczak and Ball, which I regard as better players.
Tomic has not shown anything, besides being regarded as great talent - he´s got no results and is ranked outside the top 200.
I think, as others mention, that Tennis Australia really needs to think this one through, before selecting the squad
 
Hewitt DOES rate Tomic!

bottom line is:

1.No Love lost between Hewitt and Tomic.But Lleyton rates him otherwise he wouldn't have asked him to hit at Wimbledon. It was Lleyton offering a hand and Bernard got some bad advice...used a weak excuse.
2. It has happened before (Newk vs Cash), Newk vs Phillipoussis(Flip vs Rafter). different circumstances but Newk should stay out of it. It won't help.
It is ironic that Newk has commented on this but although I liked Newk and his game, he didn't have the right feel with Cash or Flip. His ego gets in the way but he could play. He had the game and the name in the early 70s.
3. Always tough when parents get too involved in coaching process.
4. Hewitt is right, Luczak is ready and fit. They have got Chinese Taipeh at home but need to get back in the World Group. No time for experiments (as GB found out against Poland). Tomic is still stabilizing, growing and learning. If he was as ready as Lleyton at 16 or Cash at 18 it wouldn't be so bad. He isn't.He will mature later like Federer. If he gets hot in the middle of the year they can still bring him in.
5. Somebody from IMG should help them patch it up , clear the air.
6. if not somebody with diplomacy intervenes. Tomic is a talent, he needs help. If Tennis Australia doesn't fix it then they only have themselves to blame. Maybe Woodbridge can fix it, Fitzy is too much on Lleyton's side. Davis Cup is important to them, huge for Hewitt(proven), maybe important for Tomic. Craig Tiley's call.
7. Tomic will be very good in 2, 3 years if they handle him right, he was born to be a top sportsman but you can't expect a top diplomat at 16, 17. In fact we expect too much from young sportspeople where the media can quickly turn them into enemies in 3 minutes.
 
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Well put raging. Your point of view came across very well and intelligently. Maybe my title should have been -

"Hewitt doesn't rate Tomic for Davis Cup yet".

Nurture is so important.
 
armsty said:
Tomic claimed to have swine flu, and had proof of this.

Hewitt wasn't out of line to say this, and took no swipe at Tomic, just stated the damn obvious.
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i thought the rumor was that tomic said hewitt wasn't "good enough" to hit w/him and opted to hit with juan carlos ferrero instead.
 
Leelord337 said:
i thought the rumor was that tomic said hewitt wasn't "good enough" to hit w/him and opted to hit with juan carlos ferrero instead.
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that happened though months ago.

what's with australian juniors?:/Wasn't there someone else who was banned for racially insulting an african player?
 
No-one, including Lleyton, is always the perfect hitup partner...

I seem to remember when all the hewitt-tomic crap happened that something came out that mentioned that tomic was about to play someone who hit with a lot of spin, and that was the hit they were looking for.

Now, Hewitt's camp is renowned for being big on the entourage side, and Tomic's dad is renowned for being a tool, it's easy to see how this ended up messy. Add to that the Tomic is the cheeky Lion Cub trying to establish himself in the pack (with his dad propping him up no doubt), and yeah, situation explained.

It's the aussie summer, and brand Hewitt is just gearing up.

If you've never lived in aus for an aussie summer, you haven't seen "Brand Hewitt" in action. In their mini-way, Lleyton and Bec (try) and be our "Posh and Becs", and kinda succeed. Tennis is (mostly) aired on our free-to-air channel "7", and Bec was a massive soapie star on a Ch 7 show. Ch 7 laps this up, has found ways to adopt (pay) Hewitt too, and provides saturation coverage. Bec, and Lleyton and bec, are massive front-page-trash-magazine sellers too.

Why does Lleyton say something tactically provocative early in the "month of tennis"? It helps give ch 7 and the magazines some fodder. He'll probably be featured in their news now (more), and they might even find an excuse to interview him on the nightly current affairs horror shows. Same reason he pumps up his season hopes every year, to get the non-tennis crowd on board. And it works.

Brand Hewitt has a good PR machine.
 
malakas said:
wow really??:shock: never thought he was that popular in australia nowadays..
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His popularity has always been a bit hit and miss, but he's still tennis royalty, she's entertainment royalty, and they have, wait for it, children.

The perfect package. Add to the fact that she was 'knocked up' a bit early on, it's all very aussie :p, and both of them have realised the potential income from such a situation and capitalised on it.
 
Tomic's dad came out and said that Hewitt wouldn't have said anything if their background was Australian... such a stupid father.
 
Wouldn't surprise after this summer if the tomics decide they've had enough of being cut down by the australian tennis fraternity and leave for germany.
 
More from John Tomic:

After his weekend quip that, ''I think Lleyton had lots of wine during the new year,'' and the suggestion that perhaps the enmity between his son and Hewitt was a result of cultural prejudices, John Tomic sent a strongly worded email to the Herald.

''Lleyton Hewitt and some others in his camp seem to think or at least are implying to the world at large that Bernard Tomic owes Lleyton Hewitt something, or that Bernard Tomic should maybe bow to Lleyton Hewitt. This is ridiculous,'' Tomic wrote.

''Lleyton would be best served by worrying about himself and his own game, rather than about Bernard's Davis Cup prospects or his ranking.

''We have on numerous occasions offered Lleyton and his camp an olive branch in the hope that any ill-feeling or misunderstandings can [be] set aside. It seems our efforts are in vain. Perhaps Lleyton would like to settle his differences with Bernard, who remains a minor, on the tennis court. We look forward to that day and the days beyond … Bernard is just 17 years [old] and I have [to] protect my son. It is my duty.''

Tomic war rages on as father gives Hewitt serve
 
Ok, the story was Hewitt asked him to hit, tomic said no he was sick, then later Hewitt and Juan Carlos Ferrero were talking and Ferrero mentioned that Tomic had asked him to play him, but he had had to decline because he already had a hitting partner and wondered if Hewitt was intrested. I know JCF is the nicest guy in the world (A 20-year-old who collects antique cars?!) but he was #1 for 8 weeks, Hewitt was #1 for 85
 
Oh Boy!

Looks like it is all too late- John Tomic is now involved and this will not be pretty!
He had a bad summer last year where he got involved with a referee and got Bernard disqualified. He will not help the situation, his son needs protection, from him!
Fact is aussie press love it, it sells newspapers, makes a great story.Calling Hewitt racist is not really smart, not sure John Tomic would be welcome back in germany or even Croatia(where he comes from). It is shaping like another phillipoussis or dokic story and we know how they turned out! Still hoping Jelena Dokic can salvage something from her tennis career.
I hope it doesn't affect Bernard's tennis, his dad has been demanding all sorts of things from Tennis Australia and he is very difficult, just ask IMG.
Very sad for Aussie tennis, but the newspapers/media will love it.
It is all a done deal, IMG should have got involved or at least Tennis Australia.
Doing nothing is not the right move in this case.

It will be hard to bring these 2 together now. Should make for fireworks when they meet on the court, problem is Lleyton will eat him alive, BT is not ready and you don't want to give Hewitt a target. Worse case scenario is that TA tells them to go.... and invests in other juniors, they want team guys for Davis and Fed. Cup and if not then he will be left out in the cold. Dumb.
 
Oh Boy!

Looks like it is all too late- John Tomic is now involved and this will not be pretty!
He had a bad summer last year where he got involved with a referee and got Bernard disqualified. He will not help the situation, his son needs protection, from him!
Fact is aussie press love it, it sells newspapers, makes a great story.Calling Hewitt racist is not really smart, not sure John Tomic would be welcome back in germany or even Croatia(where he comes from). It is shaping like another phillipoussis or dokic story and we know how they turned out! Still hoping Jelena Dokic can salvage something from her tennis career.
I hope it doesn't affect Bernard's tennis, his dad has been demanding all sorts of things from Tennis Australia and he is very difficult, just ask IMG.
Very sad for Aussie tennis, but the newspapers/media will love it.
It is all a done deal, IMG should have got involved or at least Tennis Australia.
Doing nothing is not the right move in this case.

It will be hard to bring these 2 together now. Should make for fireworks when they meet on the court, problem is Lleyton will eat him alive, BT is not ready and you don't want to give Hewitt a target. Worse case scenario is that TA tells them to go.... and invests in other juniors, they want team guys for Davis and Fed. Cup and if not then he will be left out in the cold. Dumb.
 
"tennis" writer leo schink has been told by his news paper superiors to stir up some trouble between the familys.
 
equinox said:
"tennis" writer leo schink has been told by his news paper superiors to stir up some trouble between the familys.
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Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

Nothing like manufacturing news to sell some papers, though that said the Tomic dad doesn't sound like he needs much of a wind up.
 
Blinkism said:
Tomic just got straight-setted by a qualifier in the first round of Brisbane
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Which is funny... because Hewitt said similar things - that Tomic isn't tour level yet - that were treated as somewhat 'inflammatory' a week ago when asked was Tomic Davis-Cup potential yet.
 
Tomic=The Australian equivalent of Donald Young, no weapons in his game to threaten anyone in the top 50.
 
No, by this age it is clear whether a player has weapons or not, 2-3 years will not make a huge difference in his game talent wise, yes he can become better with consistency or strategy, but he will never have weapons to threaten anyone in top 50.

If you watch some of the current players at the top of the game when they were young you would still see weapons in their groundstrokes.
 
Lsmkenpo said:
No, by this age it is clear whether a player has weapons or not, 2-3 years will not make a huge difference in his game talent wise, yes he can become better with consistency or strategy, but he will never have weapons to threaten anyone in top 50.

If you watch some of the current players at the top of the game when they were young you would still see weapons in their groundstrokes.
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Hmm, top 50 will be interesting, with his backing, support, etc... it'd be interesting if he never cracks that.

I do agree more broadly on the weapons front though, watched him live in the 1R match he won at the AO as a wildcard, when he played (from memory) a very pathetic Potito Starace. My single biggest comment was that I didn't see a weapon, I didn't see power (potential), and as players like Hewitt know now, it's a hard game to play if you want to rely on consistency, placement and speed....and Tomic doesn't really have speed.
 
Morrissey said:
Hewitt having a beef with someone? Rubbing folks the wrong way? I can't believe Hewitt would have that affect on people.
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Fair call... though in this specific case, the bar is swinging to Tomic('s Parent) as being the real agressor (idiot).

Goaded or not, he should not have played the race card, it's pathetic.
 
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There are at least 5 Australian players better than Tomic right now. Davis cup is about winning, not gaining playing experience. Let Tomic take widcards into Australian Tournaments, but he shouldn't be put into the Davis Cup team and expected to actually win
 
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