Discussion in 'Health & Fitness' started by PCXL-Fan, May 28, 2008.
Please tell more than just copying and pasting out of wikipedia.
One of the worst side effects is a condition known as acromegaly. Bones in your joints get bigger and wind up pressing against your nerves (think carpal tunnel syndrome), bones of the face get disproportinately large, etc. I would guess that these side effects would be with the use of sizable doses of HGH - the kind of doses pro bodybuilders tend to abuse.
Barry Bonds much lol.
I believe some pro baseball players have claimed that they have used HGH for injury-healing purposes.
Does it actually work? Does this mean that recreational players with long-term tendon injuries could benefit from this?
I red an article that talked about the potential of it accelerating cancer growth when it was present. From what I gathered it promotes cellular growth and if cancer is present could speed up the rate of growth of cancer. Seems sketchy and uncontrollable to me.
Must be some pros if a 60 yr old Sly Stallone used HGH.
Only pro bodybuildiers?!
What I mean is that pro bodybuilders, in their never-ending quest for more muscle, tend to overuse (abuse) drugs. Be they steroids, growth hormone, ephedrine for fat loss, etc.
I think one could use HGH safely, but that it wouldn't be safe at the dosages that pro bodybuilders tend to (ab)use.
I agree. Many normal doses of testosterone are prescribed all the time by doctors with few adverse effects. The same drugs taken in "bodybuilder doses" can lead to all kinds of problems.
Testosterone is almost never prescribed except when plasma levels are low. One exception is that it is sometimes used in females with very low libido (yes, testosterone mediates libido in both men and women), but safety is less of a concern here as there is no prostate. (An interesting corollary is that a treatment sometimes used for sexually aggressive predatory males is the estrogen patch.)
well HGH is safe with moderate dosages--thats why doctors will give it in some cases, it just tends to be way overused.
It really depends on your age. If you're planning on giving it to a child then theirs pituitary dwarfish and giantism. If you take HGH during adulthood then you can get Acromegley (The guy who played Jaws in the bond movies had acromegely)
"sufferers" of acromegely have "spade" shaped hands and feet, the area above the eyes is elongated and sticks out.
Growth hormone excess (acrmomegaly) is actually quite serious. Half of cases have diabetes (GH causes glucose intolerance), bone growth in the sella turcica (the little bony pocket in which your pituitary sits) can compress the pituitary, joint spaces widen leading to serious arthritis, growth of bone on their INSIDE surfaces can cause nerve compression (spine, wrist, etc.) resulting in weakness, tingling, or worse, etc. etc. The bony abnormalities are not reversible. Cheers!!!
Anyone had any luck with hGH releasers? Products designed to promote the release of our own hGH are said to be safer than injecting hGH. Releasers include amino acids, such as L-Arginine and L-Glutamine, and some support nutrients.
Some sources, written by medical doctors, indicate the hGH releaser products are a scam and are based on flawed conclusions drawn from various studies. However, these same sources appear to be pushing hGH injections. Other sources indicate that hGH releaser products can be useful for people under 45 but only hGH injections are useful for older individuals. Some hGH releaser products:
Your suggestion lacks common sense. Evolution tends to go in particular directions for adequate reasons. Most GH is released during stages 3 and 4 of sleep. Why? I don't know either, but a rational perspective is that this had greater survival value for the species than continuous or random release. One would want to have an awfully good reason to try to disrupt the natural pattern of release. It's funny on this board how people who recommend natural remedies also recommend disrupting a natural cycle of hormonal release.
If the OP is just interested in the topic, fine.
But, OP, if you are seriously considering HGH, please consult a physician, not the TW message boards.
People on these boards may have some good knowledge (and a few may even be doctors), but still, if you are going to use it, consult a real, live doctor.
OP, if you'd like to get a natural release of extra GH, do a heavy squat workout, with no more than 60 sec. rest between sets. Deadlifts will also do it, as long as you're using the major muscle groups - quads, hams, gluteals, back muscles, etc. The main things are to use heavy weight, use large muscle groups, and limit your rest to 60 sec. or less.
Whose suggestion are you referring to?
Yours. The natural pattern of GH release is highly unusual, being linked to the sleep cycle, and disrupting that without a very compelling reason seems foolish.
Read my post again. I was asking a question, not making suggestions.
To the OP, when I'm 50 if I can get HGH legally I will. I'm not saying some crazy body builder dosage. I'm talking about hormonal replacement type dosages. When I'm 50++ I want my hormone levels that of an average 30 year old.
It helps prevent the normal muscle lose and bone density decreases. It's' also supposed to help your skin and "Male Issues", energy, blah, blah, blah.
Long story short IF QUALITY product is administered and monitored properly by qualified medical personnel, from everything I've read it's relatively safe and very beneficial.
The fact is that currently there are few legal ways for most people to get HGH, etc. So you would be ordering random Horse **** off the internet.
Orderign from online pharmacies you could get a low grade product, or you could get a toxic substance. The russian mob and others are in this business, and they really don't give a crap about anyone so you generally have no idea what you are injecting or ingesting.
So until the DEA changes the rules I'd say don't even think about ordering this stuff.
Eh. It's only really effective when stacked with steriods if your a young person in good shape. That's the dirty truth about it..
Agreed. As a means to increase LBM within the BB community, HGH's reputation is really poor. With all the side effects that megadosages (note: making distinction between that and the "male hormone therapy" that richw76 mentioned )would cause, why?!?
As I mentioned previously, I was not dispensing suggestions in post #14, I was asking a question about hGH releasers. I was not taking a stance -- in fact, i presented a couple of contrary perspectives on its usefulness. However, I will now address the point that you brought up.
As I understand it, hGH is released periodically during the day with the largest & most predictable release occurring shortly after the onset of sleep -- during the first sleep cycle (I'll take your word for it that it happen during stage 3 &/or 4). Not really sure if most of our daily hGH release occurs during sleep as you indicated. I've read that the largest release occurs during sleep (but have not seen any numbers on what % of the total daily release this might be).
It is also my understanding that exercise, particularly strenuous exercise, has a significant effect on the release of hGH. I believe that hGH releaser products are intended to be taken just prior to exercise and, more importantly, just prior to the onset of sleep. This would appear to be in keeping with your assertion that it is best not to interfere with the timing of hGH release.
On the other hand, hGH injections would probably not be in sync with the timing of our natural release cycles.
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