Higher level HC season?

2003 Roddick or 2019 Medvedev?


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AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
2003 Roddick: AO SF (Schuettler), Canada-Cincy-USO treble W, Indianapolis W, YEC SF (Federer)

2019 Medvedev: AO 4R (Djokovic), Cincy and Shanghai W, Canada and USO F (Nadal), Sofia and StPb W, YEC RR (0-3)
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
2003 Roddick: AO SF (Schuettler), Canada-Cincy-USO treble W, Indianapolis W, YEC SF (Federer)

2019 Medvedev: AO 4R (Djokovic), Cincy and Shanghai W, Canada and USO F (Nadal), Sofia and StPb W, YEC RR (0-3)

It really is the Indianapolis-Canada-Cincinnati-USO quadruple, plus he won Queens in 2003 also.

Edit - sorry, I see only HC here.
 

guga_fan

Professional
Wasn't Roddick favored with the US Open scheduling in 2003? I still think Nalbandian should have won that title.

Not that much between the level of both, but Roddick got more masters and a GS with a win against a great player in 5 sets in the SF, so I vote for him. Rafa was good in 2019, but his level was not THAT high.
 
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Deleted member 780630

Guest
Yes, that is true. Just stating that Roddick is the only player to win 4 HC titles during the NA summer HC swing.
Nope, Agassi in 1995 won Washington, Canada, Cincy, New Haven.
 

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
As a Federer and Nadal fan I hold a particular bias for these two, I don't believe any other player in history has played at the level of these two have in their respective peaks. Compare matches like Wimbledon 2007, Wimbledon 2008, Australian Open 2009 for example to the level of play we see today or have seen over the last 10 years - it hasn't been matched.

Glad this is public so I can laugh at anyone who votes for Medvedev.

Yeah would be interesting to see who votes for him.
 

ChrisRF

Legend
Its a shame that right when it was Andy's time, you know who came along to murder his career :(
Still great that he won that US Open, and he deserved that. But it could easily have been that Federer already started his total dominance after Wimbledon 2003. IMO it only depended on still not being able to overcome his nemesis Nalbandian yet. Would he have done that at the US Open already instead of the Masters Cup a bit later, he would have won the tournament I guess.
 

Kralingen

Bionic Poster
Its a shame that right when it was Andy's time, you know who came along to murder his career :(
21-2 and Andy rarely even took a set, even in some of his 'high peak' performances vs. Federer. 2009 WB was the only time he even pushed Roger to 5, and in pretty much every final even in Masters he just bent over, like clockwork, every single damn time.

I'm not one of the weak era theorists bc I really do respect Andy's talent but it wasn't even that Roger was playing GOATing peak level tennis all the time. That's the maddening part. Roddick never believed in his soul that he could do anything against Federer. He fired his coaches and tried to change his entire game because of it. We make fun of NextGen but he was such a mentally weak player when it came to Roger - like if he existed today he would be called the most mentally fragile mug on tour.

I'm not saying Roger didn't deserve to win, but ffs. Win at least once against him Andy. He didn't kill American tennis, but he was the only one who could have saved it, and he failed spectacularly in all honesty. H2H over Novak be damned, he had a failed career and I hate him for it because he had the talent to be so, so much more.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
21-2 and Andy rarely even took a set, even in some of his 'high peak' performances vs. Federer. 2009 WB was the only time he even pushed Roger to 5, and in pretty much every final even in Masters he just bent over, like clockwork, every single damn time.

I'm not one of the weak era theorists bc I really do respect Andy's talent but it wasn't even that Roger was playing GOATing peak level tennis all the time. That's the maddening part. Roddick never believed in his soul that he could do anything against Federer. He fired his coaches and tried to change his entire game because of it. We make fun of NextGen but he was such a mentally weak player when it came to Roger - like if he existed today he would be called the most mentally fragile mug on tour.

I'm not saying Roger didn't deserve to win, but ffs. Win at least once against him Andy. He didn't kill American tennis, but he was the only one who could have saved it, and he failed spectacularly in all honesty. H2H over Novak be damned, he had a failed career and I hate him for it because he had the talent to be so, so much more.
Roddick could have managed a few more wins vs Fed like YEC 2006, Miami 2009, Wimb 2009 and even Basel 2001. Add 2004 Wimb to the mix.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
21-2 and Andy rarely even took a set, even in some of his 'high peak' performances vs. Federer. 2009 WB was the only time he even pushed Roger to 5, and in pretty much every final even in Masters he just bent over, like clockwork, every single damn time.

I'm not one of the weak era theorists bc I really do respect Andy's talent but it wasn't even that Roger was playing GOATing peak level tennis all the time. That's the maddening part. Roddick never believed in his soul that he could do anything against Federer. He fired his coaches and tried to change his entire game because of it. We make fun of NextGen but he was such a mentally weak player when it came to Roger - like if he existed today he would be called the most mentally fragile mug on tour.

I'm not saying Roger didn't deserve to win, but ffs. Win at least once against him Andy. He didn't kill American tennis, but he was the only one who could have saved it, and he failed spectacularly in all honesty. H2H over Novak be damned, he had a failed career and I hate him for it because he had the talent to be so, so much more.
Besides Fed being a terrible match-up for A-Rod, I also think Roddick implemented the wrong strategy. He should have gone for more topspin serves to the BH and then the FH put away.
 

Kralingen

Bionic Poster
Besides Fed being a terrible match-up for A-Rod, I also think Roddick implemented the wrong strategy. He should have gone for more topspin serves to the BH and then the FH put away.
I admit my post was a little angry lol, Roddick was the first tennis player I ever knew about and I have vague memories of watching him in I think USO ‘06 and Wimby ‘05 which were obviously hilarious performances.

Still though you feel that it he just got one over Roger even if it wasn’t a Slam he might have been able to turn the matchup around somehow. Agree on his laughable tactics.
 
21-2 and Andy rarely even took a set, even in some of his 'high peak' performances vs. Federer. 2009 WB was the only time he even pushed Roger to 5, and in pretty much every final even in Masters he just bent over, like clockwork, every single damn time.

I'm not one of the weak era theorists bc I really do respect Andy's talent but it wasn't even that Roger was playing GOATing peak level tennis all the time. That's the maddening part. Roddick never believed in his soul that he could do anything against Federer. He fired his coaches and tried to change his entire game because of it. We make fun of NextGen but he was such a mentally weak player when it came to Roger - like if he existed today he would be called the most mentally fragile mug on tour.
Tbh, Fed was pretty darn good most of the time.
Wimb 03 and 05, USO 06 and 07, AO 07 and 09.

The two times Fed play less than stellar, Roddick did manage to push him hard, at Wimbledon 04 and Wimbledon 09.
Not excusing stinker performaces like AO 07 or subpar performances like Wimbledon 05 and USO 06, but he wasn't gonna win any of those matches, minus the two I mentioned above.

It's probably a match-up issue, exacerbated by Fed playing great most of the time.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
I admit my post was a little angry lol, Roddick was the first tennis player I ever knew about and I have vague memories of watching him in I think USO ‘06 and Wimby ‘05 which were obviously hilarious performances.

Still though you feel that it he just got one over Roger even if it wasn’t a Slam he might have been able to turn the matchup around somehow. Agree on his laughable tactics.

He kept up with one if the best Fed's at the USO for two sets in 2006. Definitely far from hilarious. Wimby was tactically terrible though.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Tbh, Fed was pretty darn good most of the time.
Wimb 03 and 05, USO 06 and 07, AO 07 and 09.

The two times Fed play less than stellar, Roddick did manage to push him hard, at Wimbledon 04 and Wimbledon 09.
Not excusing stinker performaces like AO 07 or subpar performances like Wimbledon 05 and USO 06, but he wasn't gonna win any of those matches, minus the two I mentioned above.

It's probably a match-up issue, exacerbated by Fed playing great most of the time.

Don't know why you guys think the USO 2006 was a subpar performed...certainly it was better than Wimbledon 2005.
 
Don't know why you guys think the USO 2006 was a subpar performed...certainly it was better than Wimbledon 2005.
1st and 4th set were pretty bad.
2nd set was great. 3rd set was great on serve, but mediocre on return.

For Wimbledon 05 I have mediocre 1st set, decent 2nd, decent 3rd. A bit worse, but not a lot worse.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
1st and 4th set were pretty bad.
2nd set was great. 3rd set was great on serve, but mediocre on return.

For Wimbledon 05 I have mediocre 1st set, decent 2nd, decent 3rd. A bit worse, but not a lot worse.

I think the middle sets in 2006 raise it at least a notch above but ok. I wouldn't average out those four sets to being subpar, I think holding off GOAT'ing Fed for set 2 and most of set 3 lifts to at least "par" :p
 
I think the middle sets in 2006 raise it at least a notch above but ok. I wouldn't average out those four sets to being subpar, I think holding off GOAT'ing Fed for set 2 and most of set 3 lifts to at least "par" :p
I wouldn't say Fed was GOATing in set 2 and his level in set 3 was inflated by Roddick's poor returning, but I am ok with putting it to "par".
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
I wouldn't say Fed was GOATing in set 2 and his level in set 3 was inflated by Roddick's poor returning, but I am ok with putting it to "par".

Those two sets from Fed were probably better than any two back to back sets either Djokovic or Nadal have played in a USO final :sneaky:
 
Those two sets from Fed were probably better than any two back to back sets either Djokovic or Nadal have played in a USO final :sneaky:
If you want back to back 3rd and 4th set of 2010 final for Nadal and 2011 final for Djoko were close to that level.

I would rate Fed a 8.5 in set 2 and 9 in set 3.
Set 1 is a 9.5 and set 4 is virtually a perfect 10, maybe a 9.75 because he didn't win it 6-0 :p
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I admit my post was a little angry lol, Roddick was the first tennis player I ever knew about and I have vague memories of watching him in I think USO ‘06 and Wimby ‘05 which were obviously hilarious performances.

Still though you feel that it he just got one over Roger even if it wasn’t a Slam he might have been able to turn the matchup around somehow. Agree on his laughable tactics.
USO 2006 wasn't a hilarious performance. Roddick played well that day against an in form Federer. No worse than Djokovic vs Nadal at 2013 USO or Nadal vs Djokovic at 2011 USO.
 

guga_fan

Professional
USO 2006 wasn't a hilarious performance. Roddick played well that day against an in form Federer. No worse than Djokovic vs Nadal at 2013 USO or Nadal vs Djokovic at 2011 USO.
Have to disagree about Nadal in 2011. He played a guy who read his service like a book in a slow surface and who could keep playing those 30+ shots rallies consistently and not be bullied by his forehand. He had only lost one set in the tournament until then, to Murray.

Djokovic in 2013 I agree, he was definitely pathetic, though, awful 1st set and gave up after his choke in the 3rd. His 2nd and 3rd set levels were higher than Roddick can come up with, though.
 

RS

Bionic Poster
Those two sets from Fed were probably better than any two back to back sets either Djokovic or Nadal have played in a USO final :sneaky:
Level of play of Fed being better is based on opinion not a fact :sneaky:
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Level of play of Fed being better is based on opinion not a fact :sneaky:

If we don't allow room for subjective evaluation in sports then there would be no debates.

Some of the best posts I've ever seen on TTW were opinion pieces, used to be far common on this forum too. Now it's stats this, weak era that, my hero is the GOAT bla bla bla
 
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