Highest ranked players beat to win a Slam

[Lew II]

These are the highest ranked players they beat to win each Slam, excluding themselves from the ranking, so they're not somehow penalized for having a high position:

FEDERER

no.1 x 5
no.2 x 3
no.3 x 2
no.4 x 4
no.5 x 6

geometric mean: 2.65

NADAL

no.1 x 11
no.2 x 3
no.3 x 2
no.4
no.5
no.6
no.27

geometric mean: 1.86

DJOKOVIC

no.1 x 10
no.2 x 4
no.3 x 4

geometric mean: 1.49

 

[Lew II]

Slams won beating the no.1:

Federer 25%
Nadal 55.0%
Djokovic 58.8%

Slams won beating a top-2:

Federer 40%
Nadal 70.0%
Djokovic 82.4%

Slams won beating a top-3:

Federer 50%
Nadal 80.0%
Djokovic 100%

 

[tennisaddict]

Does this stat include beating fringe players like Raonic, Stan Wawrinka and players of the calibre of Murray ?

 

[Lew II]

Does this stat include beating fringe players like Raonic, Stan Wawrinka and players of the calibre of Murray ?

Not Raonic.

It includes Roddick and Hewitt as no.1, and Ferrero as no.2 But we have to work with what we have.

 

[tennisaddict]

Everyone knows Djokovic had a harder time being the 3rd banana behind Fedal! He wasn't gifted majors with 2nd rate players, always needing to go thru the best, but for a couple occasions; his 1st AO over Tsonga in '08! How anyone can count Murray against him with him actually being able to take down Nole occasionally makes no sense! He made final after final even if he didn't win! Fedal had it a lot easier with the likes of Roddick (Roger's b!tch) & Ferrer (Nadal's b!tch) in major finals while Nole actually had to overcome Fedal, Murray, Wawrinka, & Del PO!

Roddick and Ferrer would have become like Murray and Stan if Fedal were not stingy

 

[Mainad]

Roddick and Ferrer would have become like Murray and Stan if Fedal were not stingy

I wonder what Murray and Stan had that Roddick and Ferrer didn't?

 

[BrokenGears]

Incoming Fed brigade. I still need to answer some of the troll posts in the Djokovic Weak Era thread lmao. The hypocrites...

 

[Fiero425]

Roddick and Ferrer would have become like Murray and Stan if Fedal were not stingy

Ferrer just didn't have the game to challenge the top players! Whacking away from the baseline wasn't enough and he went down in flames again and again! Roddick was probably one of the more "joke time" #1's! He will be dismissed before the decade is out!

 

[ABCD]

These are the highest ranked players they beat to win each Slam, excluding them from the ranking, so they're not somehow penalized for having a high position:

FEDERER

no.1 x 5
no.2 x 3
no.3 x 2
no.4 x 4
no.5 x 6

geometric mean: 2.65

NADAL

no.1 x 10
no.2 x 2
no.3 x 2
no.5
no.6
no.27

geometric mean: 1.83

DJOKOVIC

no.1 x 10
no.2 x 2
no.3 x 3

geometric mean: 1.37

Excellent thread.

 

[Fiero425]

I wonder what Murray and Stan had that Roddick and Ferrer didn't?

Some real power and weapons! Ferrer, Almagro, Berdych, & many others just didn't have it!

 

[Fiero425]

Incoming Fed brigade. I still need to answer some of the troll posts in the Djokovic Weak Era thread lmao. The hypocrites...

This is hardly a weak era; Nole just makes them look that way! Winning his last 3 major finals without losing a set makes them all look bad I guess!

 

[Fiero425]

Get away from here with your silly facts and figures.

As they hoovered up their phoney slams Nadal and Djokovic never had to look into the white hot eyes of the dread Baghdatis; suffer the knee-trembling thought of playing the mighty Gonzalez-a player who reached at least the quarter finals of every single slam (according to the main claim on his Wikipedia page)- or suffer the agonies of taking on the all-conquering, all-powerful Hewitt-scampering around like an extra from Neighbours trying to hit his mark.

These are the scars of greatest! Not the mere baubles of wins over all-time greats and double-slam winners.

Stats be dam*ed!!!

Well that was a weak period no matter what people say! For Fedal to make final after final in majors & Masters events proved it! They were good, but not that good!

 

[upchuck]

Djokovic has most of the records adjusted for difficulty based on rankings.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Lol at the so called goat numbers
It’s ridiculous how he had easy competition and getting those slams before the other two came along.
The whole goat thing calling Federer that is a scam.

 

[True Fanerer]

Lol at the obsession with Federer.

 

[Fiero425]

Lol at the so called goat numbers
It’s ridiculous how he had easy competition and getting those slams before the other two came along.
The whole goat thing calling Federer that is a scam.

Nothing new really! Back in the day, I thought it a ridiculous and hilarious JOKE when Connors was put on a pedestal by defeating an ancient Rosewall at Wimbledon and the USO in straight sets back in '74! I was embarrassed for the old man, but lost sympathy when he hung on for several more years taking up a spot in draws he wasn't deserving of!

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Lol at the obsession with Federer.

That was a comment from the right person hehe

 

[True Fanerer]

That was a comment from the right person hehe

I've been defending Rafa lately in case you haven't noticed.

 

[alexio]

I wonder what Murray and Stan had that Roddick and Ferrer didn't?

they had post post prime weak fed

 

[tennisaddict]

I wonder what Murray and Stan had that Roddick and Ferrer didn't?

Weaker opponent

 

[Jonas78]

Preaching to the choir @Lew II ?

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

I've been defending Rafa lately in case you haven't noticed.

Are you celebrating Feds birthday too?

I havent read so much in the threads here lately. Other sports been taking more of my interests and a lot of working. But nice you are defending him!

 

[True Fanerer]

Are you celebrating Feds birthday too?

I havent read so much in the threads here lately. Other sports been taking more of my interests and a lot of working. But nice you are defending him!

I don't celebrate my own birthday unless someone makes me.

 

[uscwang]

These are the highest ranked players they beat to win each Slam, excluding them from the ranking, so they're not somehow penalized for having a high position:

FEDERER

no.1 x 5
no.2 x 3
no.3 x 2
no.4 x 4
no.5 x 6

geometric mean: 2.65

NADAL

no.1 x 10
no.2 x 2
no.3 x 2
no.5
no.6
no.27

geometric mean: 1.83

DJOKOVIC

no.1 x 10
no.2 x 2
no.3 x 3

geometric mean: 1.37

So Federer won 10 GS titles without playing another Top 4 seed (considering his own high ranking, No. 4 and 5 in his list are No. 5 and 6 in actual ranking).

And Novak has beaten at least one Top 4 seed in every GS he won.

Wow. Are you sure you got all the numbers correct? Could you list year, highest ranked player beaten? Since i can see your post as an often cited post in the future.

 

[beard]

Lew, please backup all these great stats update it and present on one place when its all set and done...

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

I don't celebrate my own birthday unless someone makes me.

Same here. I hate the attention.

 

[Indigo]

Does this mean that Novak is the Strongest of All Time? Or just stronger than Federer and Nadal?

 

[alexio]

Same here. I hate the attention.

me too, most unloved holiday for me, only if being on somebody's birthday that's okyou definitely not the twins by a zodiac sign

 

[alexio]

Does this mean that Novak is the Strongest of All Time? Or just stronger than Federer and Nadal?

if he's stronger than fed and nadal then he's stronger than anybody))

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

me too, most unloved holiday for me, only if being on somebody's birthday that's okyou definitely not the twins by a zodiac sign

Capricorn! I also love other peoples birthdays, celebrate their birthdays and plan things. Mine? Thats just awkward!

 

[Mainad]

Weaker opponent

You're right, Nadal and Djokovic were so much weaker than JC Ferrero.

 

[astronautzor]

You're right, Nadal and Djokovic were so much weaker than JC Ferrero.

lol

 

[Bobby Jr]

So Federer won 10 GS titles without playing another Top 4 seed (considering his own high ranking, No. 4 and 5 in his list are No. 5 and 6 in actual ranking).

You could look at it another way. In most of the majors Federer won the depth was comparatively stronger on those surfaces (hard and grass) so the top seeds didn't enjoy the advantages of weak fields on that surface like they did, for example, on clay for Nadal.

 

[dh003i]

These are the highest ranked players they beat to win each Slam, excluding them from the ranking, so they're not somehow penalized for having a high position:

FEDERER

no.1 x 5
no.2 x 3
no.3 x 2
no.4 x 4
no.5 x 6

geometric mean: 2.65

NADAL

no.1 x 10
no.2 x 2
no.3 x 2
no.5
no.6
no.27

geometric mean: 1.83

DJOKOVIC

no.1 x 10
no.2 x 2
no.3 x 3

geometric mean: 1.37

That is pretty crazy. How many times did Djokovic beat Fed or Nadal to win a Major when they were ranked #1-3?

This is a pretty simple metric, though. If the #1-3 seeds don't make the final, they weren't playing up to their ranking and players ranked lower were playing about their ranking. Remember that ranking includes results from a year ago. It would be far more difficult to assess the actual playing level in finals.

 

[KINGROGER]

Lol at the so called goat numbers
It’s ridiculous how he had easy competition and getting those slams before the other two came along.
The whole goat thing calling Federer that is a scam.

I’d suggest watching Fed (IE the GOAT of tennis) play.

Nadal the GOAT of clay.

Djokovic the GOAT of pushing the ball with depth.

 

[metsman]

19 AO final Nadal, 18 USO final Delpo and legendary beast AO/RG final Muzz much tougher than 17 AO final Nadal, 09 RG semi Delpo, 06 USO Blake, 03 Wimby semi and 09 Wimby final Roddick. The rankings told me so, no?

 

[Lew II]

19 AO final Nadal, 18 USO final Delpo and legendary beast AO/RG final Muzz much tougher than 17 AO final Nadal, 09 RG semi Delpo, 06 USO Blake, 03 Wimby semi and 09 Wimby final Roddick. The rankings told me so, no?

Do you think smoking causes lung cancer?

Well, not all smokers suffer from lung cancer...

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Will it ever end

Number of opinions changed by all these threads: 0

 

[BrokenGears]

Will it ever end

Number of opinions changed by all these threads: 0

Yet TTW is still open

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

I’d suggest watching Fed (IE the GOAT of tennis) play.

Nadal the GOAT of clay.

Djokovic the GOAT of pushing the ball with depth.

You think i havent watched these 3 play tennis before?

 

[junior74]

I don't celebrate my own birthday unless someone makes me.

Luckily, from 20 on, it's just one party every 10 years for men

I never really fancied the concept of celebrating your own birth

 

[Jonas78]

Luckily, from 20 on, it's just one party every 10 years for men

I never really fancied the concept of celebrating your own birth

I still celebrate 0.5. Just turned 40.5!

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Do you think smoking causes lung cancer?

Well, not all smokers suffer from lung cancer...

LoL, what a useless attempt at a Get Out of Jail Free Card that was.

 

[Lew II]

LoL, what a useless attempt at a Get Out of Jail Free Card that was.

1) high ranking in most cases reflects high level
2) Federer does not have the exclusive of lower ranked opponents playing at high level

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Will it ever end

Number of opinions changed by all these threads: 0

Of course it will: the moment Novak drops off a cliff.

Such is the nature of some "fans".

 

[Lew II]

This is one of my greatest threads, I'm proud of it.

 

[metsman]

Do you think smoking causes lung cancer?

Well, not all smokers suffer from lung cancer...

You would be the authority on smoking....

 

[KINGROGER]

You think i havent watched these 3 play tennis before?

Based on your posts, probably not Federer from before 2013.

 

[Towny]

I don't know how the Federistas can keep supporting the notion that Fraud had even passable competition while greedily piling up his undeserved slams. His only competition were weak era trash like Roddick, Bagdatis, Haas, Blake and Ljubicic who wouldn't even be in the top 20 now. Yeah he had EMBRYO Nadal, who didn't reach his prime till 2011, and he still got destroyed almost every time they met. ROFLMAO

Djokovic has had peak Nadal, peak Federer (don't kid yourselves that he wasn't, Fed fans, he even admitted he was at his best in 2015) peak Murray and peak Wawrinka. Not to mention he had Delpo, Cilic, Tsonga, Berdych and Ferrer thrown in for good measure. Real strong era competition. In spite of all that, he achieved the Nole slam, something that Fraud could never do, even with his cream puff competition.

Federer is a modern day Roy Emerson, building his legacy on one of the weakest eras of all time, and has duped the public into believing he's the best there's ever been, with help from Moet & Chandon, Rolex and his numerous other sponsors. Doesnt matter how many Stefan Edberg awards they buy for him, the facts are the facts.

@Lew II @Nadal_Django @ABCD Did I do it right?

 

[Lew II]

Only players who trump Djokovic in this statistic, with a geometric mean of 1 (beating no.1 100% of times):

Wawrinka
Del Potro
Krajicek
Stich
Chang
Cash
Orantes

But they won respectively only 3, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 slams.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

I don't know how the Federistas can keep supporting the notion that Fraud had even passable competition while greedily piling up his undeserved slams. His only competition were weak era trash like Roddick, Bagdatis, Haas, Blake and Ljubicic who wouldn't even be in the top 20 now. Yeah he had EMBRYO Nadal, who didn't reach his prime till 2011, and he still got destroyed almost every time they met. ROFLMAO

Djokovic has had peak Nadal, peak Federer (don't kid yourselves that he wasn't, Fed fans, he even admitted he was at his best in 2015) peak Murray and peak Wawrinka. Not to mention he had Delpo, Cilic, Tsonga, Berdych and Ferrer thrown in for good measure. Real strong era competition. In spite of all that, he achieved the Nole slam, something that Fraud could never do, even with his cream puff competition.

Federer is a modern day Roy Emerson, building his legacy on one of the weakest eras of all time, and has duped the public into believing he's the best there's ever been, with help from Moet & Chandon, Rolex and his numerous other sponsors. Doesnt matter how many Stefan Edberg awards they buy for him, the facts are the facts.

@Lew II @Nadal_Django @ABCD Did I do it right?