Hit a 98 MPH serve today!!

[drakulie]

^^As Hunter has stated, you are definitely over-estimating how fast people around you serve.

I have a radar gun, and have taken it out several times when folks have asked. For the average player, who **thinks** they are hitting 100, they are barely cracking the 80 mark, and this is with no pressure of getting it in the box, and simply hitting as hard as they could.

 

[HunterST]

I guess I'll take your word for it, though it's hard for me to believe without seeing it for myself. And 75 really isn't THAT fast, even at the park I see guys who can routinely hit 80-85 with subpar form. Also, I think I played MAYBE 2 players who didn't hit 75mph first serves this last season, and even their serves had insane movement and spin on them. Played a few guys who could break 100 without much effort as well. I think you're underrating how easy it is to hit a ball 75mph.

I certainly don't know if this is the case with you as I obviously have no idea about your level of play or anything. But...

I think it's very, very common for people to hit a serve that is good for them and then say "wow that serve was probably around 100mph" in reality, the serve could be 30 mph slower. Again, I really don't mean this to sound insulting, but are you 100% sure these serve speeds you are estimating are accurate?

A few months ago I measured my first serves to be around 85mph. People that had been playing for years would say things like "MAN that's gotta be over 100 mph". I think that shows how difficult it is to guess a serve speed without having some technology helping. Again, I could be absolutely wrong.

 

[mtommer]

I think you're underrating how easy it is to hit a ball 75mph.

I agree with you on this but the issue isn't how easy it is to hit in the 70's, it's about whether a flat 70's paced ball can hit the fence on one bounce. As for speed, if my sister can just throw the ball up in the air, hit and hope to get it in the serve box and reach high 60's, I'm sure 75 mph and beyond is easily attainable by almost everybody with just a few slight corrections by a pro as they're hitting.

 

[Falloutjr]

I certainly don't know if this is the case with you as I obviously have no idea about your level of play or anything. But...

I think it's very, very common for people to hit a serve that is good for them and then say "wow that serve was probably around 100mph" in reality, the serve could be 30 mph slower. Again, I really don't mean this to sound insulting, but are you 100% sure these serve speeds you are estimating are accurate?

A few months ago I measured my first serves to be around 85mph. People that had been playing for years would say things like "MAN that's gotta be over 100 mph". I think that shows how difficult it is to guess a serve speed without having some technology helping. Again, I could be absolutely wrong.

I'm actually pretty good about guesstimating serve speeds. When I watch pro matches, I always try to guess how fast their serves are before it shows up on the radar gun and I'm very rarely off by more than 2-3 MPH. There's a possibility I could be wrong sometimes, but I'm usually close. Hell, I was about 2-5 MPH on guessing my own average serve speed.

 

[drakulie]

If memory serves, jollyroger did an expirement precisely related to this discussion. He hit one just above 50 mph and it his the fence on one bounce.

seriously, fallout, you are over estimating.

 

[Falloutjr]

If memory serves, jollyroger did an expirement precisely related to this discussion. He hit one just above 50 mph and it his the fence on one bounce.

seriously, fallout, you are over estimating.

Well, would anyone argue that a 50mph serve with no spin is an effective serve? That just shows how inaccurate the fence test is.

 

[drakulie]

Well, would anyone argue that a 50mph serve with no spin is an effective serve? That just shows how inaccurate the fence test is.

Well, are we discussing your false claim that a 75 mph serve can't hit the fence, or if a 50 mph serve is effective?? Which one??

In the first case, you are wrong. You over estimated by approximatley 50 mph.

In the second case, I would argue that a 50 mph serve that is in, is more effective than one that is out. I would also say that a 50 mph serve in the recreational level, regardless of spin, is good enough to win with. Further, I would say most players are hitting in this MPH range.

Based on the aforementioned, I will go out on a limb and say you are over-estimating both your, and your friends serve.

 

[WildVolley]

The fence test is terrible. There are so many factors including the court surface, how new the balls are, the spin on the ball, the height of contact, etc., that you can't use it to judge serve speed. The best ways are to get someone to measure the serve with radar or to use the frame count method to estimate.

I think it is possible to get fairly good at estimating serve speed if you have spent a lot of time watching high serve speeds in person, but it is still going to be an art. The first time I played against a guy who probably hit in the 120mphs, I was amazed by the speed. I'd never seen anything like it. Spend a few days watching the pros up close and a 120mph serve looks hard but ordinary.

When I'm hitting well, I regularly hit first serves over 100mph. On the public courts out here in California where I play, I'm usually the guy hitting the hardest serves. Most of the players much better than me don't hit very hard serves. The last time I saw a guy hitting close to or over 120mph out here on the public courts, I talked to him and learned that he was a former D1 player.

 

[Falloutjr]

Well, are we discussing your false claim that a 75 mph serve can't hit the fence, or if a 50 mph serve is effective?? Which one??

In the first case, you are wrong. You over estimated by approximatley 50 mph.

In the second case, I would argue that a 50 mph serve that is in, is more effective than one that is out. I would also say that a 50 mph serve in the recreational level, regardless of spin, is good enough to win with. Further, I would say most players are hitting in this MPH range.

Based on the aforementioned, I will go out on a limb and say you are over-estimating both your, and your friends serve.

Yes, because one of the most respected coaches in the state with a radar gun clearly overestimated my serve. He changed the numbers as he showed it to me just to mess with my head.

You're right, I've never seen a 50 mph serve hit the fence in one bounce because

1. I haven't seen many players that hit 50 on a regular basis. The few that do have their serves smacked around so hard that 99% of the time, the ball doesn't even make it past the 3/4 mark because people just take it on the rise.

2. My high school coach hits dink serves around 50, and his serves often 4-hop to the fence when he's warming up his serve. Even my teammates that I played with in HS that served around 50 had serves that 4-hopped to the fence with EASE, even when they hit it with a lot of topspin with new balls.

The fact that you think a 50mph serve is common is laughable and the idea that people wouldn't step up and hammer it or even worse miss something that slow is just hilarious. I could probably manipulate a test to make a serve with no spin hit the fence in one bounce if I moonballed it with NO PRESSURE to get it in. You could lob it up 40 feet and as long as it landed in the box, you could technically call it a serve, but a legit, competiton-situation serve could not travel 50 mph and hit the fence in one bounce. I would bet my own life on THAT.

 

[drakulie]

Yes, because one of the most respected coaches in the state with a radar gun clearly overestimated my serve. He changed the numbers as he showed it to me just to mess with my head.

Post a video.

You're right, I've never seen a 50 mph serve hit the fence in one bounce because

1. I haven't seen many players that hit 50 on a regular basis. The few that do have their serves smacked around so hard that 99% of the time, the ball doesn't even make it past the 3/4 mark because people just take it on the rise.

2. My high school coach hits dink serves around 50, and his serves often 4-hop to the fence when he's warming up his serve. Even my teammates that I played with in HS that served around 50 had serves that 4-hopped to the fence with EASE, even when they hit it with a lot of topspin with new balls.

The fact that you think a 50mph serve is common is laughable and the idea that people wouldn't step up and hammer it or even worse miss something that slow is just hilarious.

You are absolutely full of it, an internet smack talker who hypes himself up, and doesn't know squat. You are most likely one of thos people that thinks you are serving 100, and probably hitting about 70.

For your information, nearly 90% of the worlds tennis playing population play at or below the 3.0 level. This would mean the majority dink the serve in. So the fact that you think these people are all hitting over 50 mph proves you are full of it.

Oh, and if you haven't seen a 50 mph serve hit the fence on one bounce, here you go:

http://vimeo.com/6042807

 

[5263]

Yes, because one of the most respected coaches in the state with a radar gun clearly overestimated my serve. He changed the numbers as he showed it to me just to mess with my head.

You're right, I've never seen a 50 mph serve hit the fence in one bounce because
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you are fighting a losing battle here. Many of the posters on here are not understanding of the severe slowing of the tennis ball after it is served, as well as the limitation of the radar they are using, which leads them to grossly underestimate the speeds of serves.
Having worked with the set ups that the pro get measured by, I have seen how easy it is to serve 80-90 and into the 105 range at times.
I would tend to agree with your assessments about speeds more than those you are arguing with. I guess they need to believe the ones on TV are that much more special, when really it is more like long drive contest in golf. There are tons of guys who can hit over 300 yards (longer than most pro avg) but lack the variety of skill needed to play sub par golf.

 

[thebuffman]

i went out and purchased a radar gun and can attest to the fact that my 75mph serves hit the back fence. my strong pronation put a lot of spin on my FLAT serve and it would easily land in the service box and hit the back fence. it was the most eye opening experience a serve that low could go that far. from that point i stopped using the back fence as a guage whatsoever.

then to my disappointment, my hardest hit serves were only going 85mph tops. this is when i realized that technique trumps power. i have changed my technique a lot sense getting a coach and everything, but here is an old video of my 80 mph serves. mind you that 3.5 rated players had a very difficult time with my serve so 80mph at 3.5 level is a weapon.

now my serve tops out at 94mph and that was checked about 5 months ago. i haven't pulled my radar out of my tennis bag since a little scared of not seeing any improvement. one thing i can say though is that a lot of time when i thought i was cranking away at a serve the radar would disappoint me. i even went as far to trying to send it back to the manufacturer as defective....i came out of my denial eventually. also, i noticed that my hardest serve recorded came when i executed perfect even flawless technique.

something to think about

 

[mtommer]

The first time I played against a guy who probably hit in the 120mphs, I was amazed by the speed. I'd never seen anything like it. Spend a few days watching the pros up close and a 120mph serve looks hard but ordinary.

I do find it interesting how the same serve speed hit by one person can seem different when hit by someone else. A great example: When Scott van Overbeek hitt 111 or 112, his motion "SNAPPED" and the sound of the ball was "SMACK". When Jack Sock hit the same speed it looked easy without the snap and sounded slower, easier if you will.

 

[drakulie]

Many of the posters on here are not understanding of the severe slowing of the tennis ball after it is served, as well as the limitation of the radar they are using, which leads them to grossly underestimate the speeds of serves.

what exactly is being underestimated??? And spare me the BS about the serve slowing down once it leaves the racquet, and after the bounce. I'm well aware a 100(+/-) mph serve wil be around the 45 mph range by the time it reaches the baseline.


Like I said, the vast majority of the tennis playing population (about 90%) plat at or below the 3.0 level. This would obviously include beginners. And there is no way in hell you are going to convince me or anyone who has actually been on a tennis court, that the vast majority of this group is hitting over 50 mph with their "let me dink it in serves".

 

[thebuffman]

and the sound of the ball was "SMACK".

remember that string types and tensions vary immensely with pros. some pros string at 42# while others are up at 70#. after playing with a 32# & 44# copoly setup, i note a significant difference in sound and cupping on the serve from my typical 57# natty gut setup. the 32# setup was very dull while my 57# POPS when i serve big.

 

[Falloutjr]

Post a video.





You are absolutely full of it, an internet smack talker who hypes himself up, and doesn't know squat. You are most likely one of thos people that thinks you are serving 100, and probably hitting about 70.

For your information, nearly 90% of the worlds tennis playing population play at or below the 3.0 level. This would mean the majority dink the serve in. So the fact that you think these people are all hitting over 50 mph proves you are full of it.

Oh, and if you haven't seen a 50 mph serve hit the fence on one bounce, here you go:

http://vimeo.com/6042807

Not all 3.0s hit dink serves. My high school coach was a high 3.0-low 3.5 just because of how consistently he hits despite his serve, so someone with a good serve (around 80) and no groundstrokes could probably win some matches in 3.0. And yea, I believe a LOT of those 3.0s probably do hit the ball harder than 50mph because 50mph is basically a tap. I doubt many of them get FAR over 50, but to think that someone with at least some racquet skill can't hit a serve over 50 is just preposterous. I'm not saying EVERYONE hits over 50, but 90% of the tennis players in the world do not hit serves under 50...

And yeah, I'll admit, he hit the fence in one bounce. But that again just proves my point that this test is horribly inaccurate. He's putting a ton of spin on the ball, which is making it hit the fence in one bounce, so if you base speeds off simply where they land, then you will guess inaccurately. I don't estimate serve speeds based on where they bounce on the second bounce because I've hit some pretty really slow, really high-bouncing kickers that would hit the fence 5-6 feet up, and I've hit very hard first serves with almost no spin that would hit the fence 3-4 feet up. Would you then assume, based on where they hit the fence, that my kicker was faster than my flat serve? No.

 

[drakulie]

Not all 3.0s hit dink serves. My high school coach was a high 3.0-low 3.5 just because of how consistently he hits despite his serve, so someone with a good serve (around 80) and no groundstrokes could probably win some matches in 3.0. And yea, I believe a LOT of those 3.0s probably do hit the ball harder than 50mph because 50mph is basically a tap. I doubt many of them get FAR over 50, but to think that someone with at least some racquet skill can't hit a serve over 50 is just preposterous. I'm not saying EVERYONE hits over 50, but 90% of the tennis players in the world do not hit serves under 50...

You have some serious reading comprehension problems. I suggest you go back to school and take k-12 all over again.

And BTW, how did you like the taste of seeing someone hit the back fence with a 50 mph serve? I look forward to seeing your 100+ mph serves.

 

[Falloutjr]

You have some serious reading comprehension problems. I suggest you go back to school and take k-12 all over again.

And BTW, how did you like the taste of seeing someone hit the back fence with a 50 mph serve? I look forward to seeing your 100+ mph serves.

Says the man that takes almost all of my posts out of context.

And I'm not mad about it. I didn't think it was possible, but I suppose it is. You've proven me wrong. And I would have no qualms posting videos of myself if I had a camera. I'll try to take one with my phone tomorrow when I go to the park, but my phone can only send videos of ten seconds or less so I may have to post multiple videos or just post one serve.

 

[drakulie]

Says the man that takes almost all of my posts out of context.

LOL. You said a 75 mph serve can't reach the back fence. I said it could, and then brought up, Jolly who had already expirmented with this, and hit one 50 mph. You then came back with a 50 mph isn't effective.

:roll:

 

[Falloutjr]

LOL. You said a 75 mph serve can't reach the back fence. I said it could, and then brought up, Jolly who had already expirmented with this, and hit one 50 mph. You then came back with a 50 mph isn't effective.

:roll:

My point was that I was wrong, but hitting a 50mph serve on the first bounce doesn't prove much except that good pronation will produce a lot of topspin. Just because it hits the fence in one bounce doesn't make it effective, and this is really just for s**ts and giggles.

 

[thebuffman]

LOL. You said a 75 mph serve can't reach the back fence. I said it could, and then brought up, Jolly who had already expirmented with this, and hit one 50 mph. You then came back with a 50 mph isn't effective.

:roll:

i don't want to get swept up in the bickering at all but i do recall now that even my 65 mph radar recorded serve hit the back fence. back fence is definitely not even an adequate guage of serve pace.

 

[Falloutjr]

i don't want to get swept up in the bickering at all but i do recall now that even my 65 mph radar recorded serve hit the back fence. back fence is definitely not even an adequate guage of serve pace.

Exactly. I don't judge serve speeds based on where they bounce the second time, simply how fast the ball travels from point A (server's baseline) to point B (returner's service line).

 

[thebuffman]

Exactly. I don't judge serve speeds based on where they bounce the second time, simply how fast the ball travels from point A (server's baseline) to point B (returner's service line).

i'm curious falloutjr, how fast did you think my serves in my video were traveling?

 

[HunterST]

Not all 3.0s hit dink serves. My high school coach was a high 3.0-low 3.5 just because of how consistently he hits despite his serve, so someone with a good serve (around 80) and no groundstrokes could probably win some matches in 3.0. And yea, I believe a LOT of those 3.0s probably do hit the ball harder than 50mph because 50mph is basically a tap. I doubt many of them get FAR over 50, but to think that someone with at least some racquet skill can't hit a serve over 50 is just preposterous. I'm not saying EVERYONE hits over 50, but 90% of the tennis players in the world do not hit serves under 50...

And yeah, I'll admit, he hit the fence in one bounce. But that again just proves my point that this test is horribly inaccurate. He's putting a ton of spin on the ball, which is making it hit the fence in one bounce, so if you base speeds off simply where they land, then you will guess inaccurately. I don't estimate serve speeds based on where they bounce on the second bounce because I've hit some pretty really slow, really high-bouncing kickers that would hit the fence 5-6 feet up, and I've hit very hard first serves with almost no spin that would hit the fence 3-4 feet up. Would you then assume, based on where they hit the fence, that my kicker was faster than my flat serve? No.

This is getting a little heated. I don't want to escalate it, but I really really doubt dink serves are anywhere near 50mph.

I'd agree that most people that have a reasonably technically sound motion are getting into the 50s. However, those that have an eastern grip and literally tapping it over are likely serving in the upper 20s or 30s.

That may sound a little extreme but, in my experience, it's accurate. People can throw faster than the "tap em over" serves.

 

[Falloutjr]

i'm curious falloutjr, how fast did you think my serves in my video were traveling?

I just watched your video, those look to be about mid 70s. If I had guessed at the park, I would have probably said 73-76.

 

[thebuffman]

I just watched your video, those look to be about mid 70s. If I had guessed at the park, I would have probably said 73-76.

interesting. those are actually around 80mph.

 

[Falloutjr]

interesting. those are actually around 80mph.

Really? That's not a bad looking serve. Not something that looks like it would bother a lot of people, but with the placement and the spin, you must not double fault a lot or lose too many service games because of it. Actually looked a bit slow for 80 to me, but I'm just some guy lol.

 

[HunterST]

i'm curious falloutjr, how fast did you think my serves in my video were traveling?

Where is this video?

 

[fluffy Beaver]

You are absolutely full of it, an internet smack talker who hypes himself up, and doesn't know squat. You are most likely one of thos people that thinks you are serving 100, and probably hitting about 70.

Well Drak, you are totally correct.

just a taste of fallouts bs

05-25-2010, 04:23 AM #15 Falloutjr
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I have a kick serve but it doesn't have much pace on it. It's in the 50-60 mph range and college players that I hit with just kill it

Oct 20,09:
My first serve percentage is shaky (usually around 35-40%) and my second serves are very consistent with lots of spin but fairly easy to attack (they're right around 60 mph)

I'm a solid 4.0-4.5 player I have a pretty big, flat serve (around 100-110), a solid for

Lol another addition to my post [I can't figure out how to edit] My serves are closer to 110-115, not 100-110 like I originally posted.

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Just from the eye test my serve looks at least 100. It's a very straight trajectory serve. It hits the fence in one bounce, usually hitting the fence a couple feet above the ground and most players I played with either got aced by it, or put up a weak ball that I can finish with, and my school historically plays one of the strongest schedules in the state. On average I would say the people I play against at first singles are solid 4.0s, with a few weaker 4.5s in there.
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\ Well im 17yo and 6 feet tall and I mix around my first/second serve. My real first serve is a power slice and is generally around 90-100 mph but its a really high % (80+) and my other is a flat power serve which on avg is about 120 and the highest recorded is 134 but its a very low % serve (like 20) so its pretty clear which is the better one ;D kids don't get obsessed blasting the ball.
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Falloutjr
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It's quite easy to have a 80mph spin serve that's 80+% and a 115+mph flat serve that's 20% that's how I am, as states in my original post. Even when I hit flat there are shots that I could've hit better that maybe clock in at 90 and absolute bombs when everything comes together at 130 but thats why its an average because over time it shows how you've done over time so anyone could mess around with a power serve and hit 110 but if they're a pusher and they have a 95% serve topping 70, their average even with the 110 will probably be around 60. That's why you should eliminate outliers in averages lol

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Of course then there are all your contradictory statements about your ntrp rating, your prospects: commited to a d2 school, naia schools all want you, d3 schools want you, scholarship offers...

You're a beginner, with high aspirations. Good for you; but out the BS and grow up.

 

[Falloutjr]

Well Drak, you are totally correct.

just a taste of fallouts bs

Yeah, I USED to hit around 120. I slowed my serve down because it was less effective than a serve that's around 105-110 that I could actually control on a regular basis. For a while, I modified my serve to hit with slice because my percentages were in the garbage for a while, but I just fixed my form was all.

The DII school I committed to was Malone University, which was technically an NAIA school which was making the jump to DII, which I was offered a partial scholarship to attend. So yes, I committed to an NAIA school which would be a DII my freshman year of college.

EDIT: The pro that rated me a 3.5 also didn't watch me play a match. He watched me hit about 5 backhands and forehands in a drill in a clinic. He didn't watch me play a real set or anything. So he didn't see my serve, or any REAL play. Before I had gone there, I believed I was a high 4.0-low 4.5. Looking back, I was on the lower end of 4.0, but I've gotten to the initial high 4.0-low 4.5 rating I believed I had.

 

[fluffy Beaver]

Yeah, I USED to hit around 120. I slowed my serve down because it was less effective than a serve that's around 105-110 that I could actually control on a regular basis. For a while, I modified my serve to hit with slice because my percentages were in the garbage for a while, but I just fixed my form was all.

The DII school I committed to was Malone University, which was technically an NAIA school which was making the jump to DII, which I was offered a partial scholarship to attend. So yes, I committed to an NAIA school which would be a DII my freshman year of college.

EDIT: The pro that rated me a 3.5 also didn't watch me play a match. He watched me hit about 5 backhands and forehands in a drill in a clinic. He didn't watch me play a real set or anything. So he didn't see my serve, or any REAL play. Before I had gone there, I believed I was a high 4.0-low 4.5. Looking back, I was on the lower end of 4.0, but I've gotten to the initial high 4.0-low 4.5 rating I believed I had.

Stop making excuses and trying to defend yourself. All you do is throw out bs over and over again. And no, you still are still not a 4.0-4.5. People do not jump up a half level or even more unlikely a full level in a month or two. Just stop talking and making yourself look bad.

 

[Falloutjr]

Stop making excuses and trying to defend yourself. All you do is throw out bs over and over again. And no, you still are still not a 4.0-4.5. People do not jump up a half level or even more unlikely a full level in a month or two. Just stop talking and making yourself look bad.

LOL 1. Look at my picture in my avatar. I couldn't possibly look bad. 2. I see that the pro was inaccurate because he didn't watch me in a match situation. He saw me for about 2 minutes, which is not really an accurate rating.

 

[drakulie]

Well Drak, you are totally correct.

just a taste of fallouts bs

As I suspected.

And now, he is hitting 120 mph serve. :roll:

Gotta love these boards.

 

[drakulie]

LOL 1. Look at my picture in my avatar. I couldn't possibly look bad.

LOL. Funny.

anyway, is that you in the avatar???

 

[Falloutjr]

LOL. Funny.

anyway, is that you in the avatar???

Yes, that is me.

 

[Fedace]

I finally got around to taking my radar gun out and hit some serves. My fastest serve was 98 mph. I got two others in the 90s and the rest were mostly mid to upper 80s for first serves. My second serves were around 55-60 mph. One of them was 79.

How far do you think my average serve speeds will take me? That is, how will around an 85 mph first serve and a 60 mph second serve affect each NTRP level?

My guesses:

at 3.5: 1st serve=weapon. 2nd serve= lesser weapon

4.0: 1st serve= fairly good weapon. 2nd serve= Neutral (not a weapon, not a liability)

4.5: 1st serve= Neutral. 2nd serve= pretty significant hindrance

at 4.0, most guys serve in 80's as 1st serve. and at 4.5, you are looking at 1st serves that are in 90's most of the time. Really high level 4.5, you will see 1st serve around 100 mph. but these speed is really Irrelevant.
Well placed 1st serve in 80 's will go for service winner or will force a weak return even in 4.5 level. so Placement is the most important factor.
Even with 2nd serves, if you can hit serve around 60mph and direct it to Backhand side with Good spin then that will also force a weak or Short return.

 

[Falloutjr]

at 4.0, most guys serve in 80's as 1st serve. and at 4.5, you are looking at 1st serves that are in 90's most of the time. Really high level 4.5, you will see 1st serve around 100 mph. but these speed is really Irrelevant.
Well placed 1st serve in 80 's will go for service winner or will force a weak return even in 4.5 level. so Placement is the most important factor.
Even with 2nd serves, if you can hit serve around 60mph and direct it to Backhand side with Good spin then that will also force a weak or Short return.

That's true. A friend of mine serves right around 105-110, but he never moves it, it always comes to my backhand so I can just block it every time, but another friend of mine serves 80 and mixes it up between my forehand and backhand, which is a lot harder to return, i can't wait with a backhand grip like I usually do. You have to REALLY serve bombs to get away with hitting it to the same spot every time or play someone with no return game.

 

[thebuffman]

Where is this video?

court in las vegas. aloha park.

 

[athiker]

court in las vegas. aloha park.

Not sure but I think HunterST might've meant where can he see the video.

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Anyway Buffman...a bit off topic but I just wanted to thank you for putting up the Pat Daugherty video "The Pro Grip" in your vimeo account. The part starting at about 1 minute...I'm sitting here still a bit stunned that all reading and watching I've done about the serve and pronating that I'm still have evidently been doing it wrong! I even hit some serves at lunch today to work on some recent stuff I'd read re: hips and shoulders.

After watching that clip I now see how pronating actually can really speed up the racquet head speed on the serve. Before I just thought it was a way let you bring the racquet up on edge and then flip it while adding a bit to the power...but I realize my wrist angle has been off...very similar to the kid in the Daugherty video. I've been relying too much on a wrist flick I think...anxious to see on the court anyway.

Watch Murray in this video at .19 Look at the speed his racquet head picks up from .19 to .20 compared to the rest of the stroke...looks like a lot from forearm pronation to me and keeping an angle in his wrist to let the pronation give direct force to the racquet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GFkqD7GBZQ

 

[thebuffman]

Anyway Buffman...a bit off topic but I just wanted to thank you for putting up the Pat Daugherty video "The Pro Grip" in your vimeo account.

hey man glad i could help!

and here is the post again of my old serve. it really is outdated though...or so i like to think.

 

[HunterST]

Not sure but I think HunterST might've meant where can he see the video.

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Haha yeah, thanks.

hey man glad i could help!

and here is the post again of my old serve. it really is outdated though...or so i like to think.

Wow your serve looks pretty solid to me. They look to have about the same pace as mine (as you said around 80 mph) but you don't seem to miss hardly any and you get good direction on them.

 

[grimmbomb21]

again...location location location :twisted:

it doesn't matter how big your "serve" is. it depends on how many times you can get it in as well...pft lol...

But advanced "servers" should, with some practice, be able to consistently hit their spots. :lol:

 

[Fedace]

That's true. A friend of mine serves right around 105-110, but he never moves it, it always comes to my backhand so I can just block it every time, but another friend of mine serves 80 and mixes it up between my forehand and backhand, which is a lot harder to return, i can't wait with a backhand grip like I usually do. You have to REALLY serve bombs to get away with hitting it to the same spot every time or play someone with no return game.

Agree, also with this light graphite rackets, it is much easier to block the return back if you know where it is going.

 

[Falloutjr]

Well, it just so happens a friend of mine brought his camera to the park. It totally slipped my mind to make a video for you guys, but he sent me one of the clips of me warming up my serve. It's not at the best angle, but you should be able to decide for yourself whether or not I'm capable of serving 100 on a regular basis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6gTGlIhKXY
BTW those were slice serves, not flat serves. I remember he wanted to film me hitting slice serves to see what I wasn't doing right.

 

[mtommer]

Foot Fault!

 

[Falloutjr]

Foot Fault!

Lol it looks like I foot fault from that angle but I don't the toe of my right foot actually comes to be level with my left foot before I hit the ball, and my left foot is about an inch or two off the baseline.

 

[fluffy Beaver]

Well, it just so happens a friend of mine brought his camera to the park. It totally slipped my mind to make a video for you guys, but he sent me one of the clips of me warming up my serve. It's not at the best angle, but you should be able to decide for yourself whether or not I'm capable of serving 100 on a regular basis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6gTGlIhKXY
BTW those were slice serves, not flat serves. I remember he wanted to film me hitting slice serves to see what I wasn't doing right.

Well after watching that, there is now no doubt in my mind you can not hit 100+ MPH serves.

And would you like a pan cake with that serve?

 

[Falloutjr]

Well after watching that, there is now no doubt in my mind you can not hit 100+ MPH serves.

And would you like a pan cake with that serve?

Lol well I'll take another video of me ACTUALLY hitting first serves, instead of practicing slice serves.

 

[Falloutjr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y41KJeXJEg

Me serving against a friend of mine in a match. I took a bit off that particular serve to make sure I got it in at 6-6, ad in (this one looks about 95 to me), but if you guys don't think that's proof I can hit a 100mph serve, then I don't know what is.

 

[Chanto]

No offense dude, but you were like a foot in on that serve. Doesn't matter if it's 100mph if it's not a legit serve.

Why don't you clock it instead of estimating it, you'll get a lot less crap that way.