Hitting 2 handed Backhand video

tlm

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I’m trying to develop a better 2 handed backhand and I can finally hit it pretty consistent but it seems like my power is limited. I would also like to get more topspin on it.




 

tlm

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You are ripping the pee pee out of those and they are going in ... you are good to go. 8-B (y)
Im hitting them better than in the past but I want more spin and dip on the backhand side so I could create more angles and attack better off that wing. Plus it’s easy to rip sitters off a ball machine.

After watching these last couple videos I made of backhands and forehands it looks like I need to get the racket head up to get more of a loop going. A few guys suggested that on my forehand video and it also applies to the backhand side.

So I really need to work on faster prep to give me enough time to add loop. I try it at times when rallying on the forehand side and it does work but at time I end up late on the swing because of slow preparation.
 
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ByeByePoly

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Im hitting them better than in the past but I want more spin and dip on the backhand side so I could create more angles and attack better off that wing. Plus it’s easy to rip sitters off a ball machine.
I don't see you backing off for loopy angles without weed or valium. 8-B
 
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golden chicken

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Things became easier for me when I extended my arms a bit and kept them extended well beyond contact. It freed up my arms and allowed my left arm to dictate the shot more like a left-handed forehand.

I wasn't making it to this position:
 

ByeByePoly

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Ya you are probably right my arms are pretty close to my body.
Chicken of the golden color is talking about extending ... the swing thought of reaching for that target with left arm/hand in follow through. It's ok if left elbow is close to body before reaching/extending to contact.

This fella's left elbow stays close until $ time ... his 2hbh is ok. 8-B

 

time_fly

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I would check out this video:

Now compare your contact point to Alex's from Top Tennis Training. What I'm seeing is that you are really leaning out over your front foot, which halts your momentum and makes you generate more of your power from your arms. That's why you are bending at the elbow and snapping over the ball so quickly. Compare to how Alex keeps his arms extended through contact and is in a more balanced position to continue to transfer weight through the swing. He will also be able follow through with his left elbow up across his face, similarly to a left-handed forehand. You end up with both elbows down because your stroke includes a shovel-like motion coming from the arms.

 

tlm

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Chicken of the golden color is talking about extending ... the swing thought of reaching for that target with left arm/hand in follow through. It's ok if left elbow is close to body before reaching/extending to contact.

This fella's left elbow stays close until $ time ... his 2hbh is ok. 8-B

Yep I see what you are saying, I wrap my swing around too fast same with on the forehand side. I see on Zev’s backhand like all the good ones that they make their turn with the racket head pointing up.
 

tlm

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I would check out this video:

Now compare your contact point to Alex's from Top Tennis Training. What I'm seeing is that you are really leaning out over your front foot, which halts your momentum and makes you generate more of your power from your arms. That's why you are bending at the elbow and snapping over the ball so quickly. Compare to how Alex keeps his arms extended through contact and is in a more balanced position to continue to transfer weight through the swing. He will also be able follow through with his left elbow up across his face, similarly to a left-handed forehand. You end up with both elbows down because your stroke includes a shovel-like motion coming from the arms.

Those shots side by side show what your pointing out well, I know that I do use too much arm trying to get pace on the 2 hander.
 

ByeByePoly

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Yep I see what you are saying, I wrap my swing around too fast same with on the forehand side. I see on Zev’s backhand like all the good ones that they make their turn with the racket head pointing up.
Before all the ideas come ... give yourself some credit for the improvement ... looks good and I know how hard it is to improve.

I came to the conclusion there isn't just one way in 2hbhs. Rios didn't have his racquet up in backswing ... another fella with a decent :unsure: 2hbh.

Here is the rule with 2hbh ... for every inch we don't turn our back our shoulders ... arms have to make it up. As a fellow aging tennis warrior ... rotation doesn't come cheap. I found out I can adhoc pretty good with more arm with fh ... but I suck with two arms without really good shoulder turn. On some of your 2hbhs in this video you still rip a good 2hbh with a moderate turn. My compliments ... mine just throws in the towel. I can't remember how long that it took me to get that message that first summer ... but I think I smiled to myself the first time I accidentally took a maxish type turn.
 
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ByeByePoly

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Yep I see what you are saying, I wrap my swing around too fast same with on the forehand side. I see on Zev’s backhand like all the good ones that they make their turn with the racket head pointing up.
Oh ... I thought of another way to describe the 2hbh ... thought I was down to golden oldies. 8-B

So think of the two arm triangle as a lose elephant trunk that you want to swing. If we just point to sideline with our chest ... weak tea elephant trunk toss. But flip that trunk back with some extra shoulder turn and in rhythm flip in forward with shoulders ... now you are talking golden ... perhaps golden chicken.

Sounds like I tried some of that weed doesn't it?
 
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golden chicken

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It can be hard as we age to twist the trunk to generate power.

I'm always struck by how Madison Keys keeps her head so still and rotates her shoulders around her spine.

 

tlm

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Before all the ideas come ... give yourself some credit for the improvement ... looks good and I know how hard it is to improve.

I came to the conclusion there isn't just one way in 2hbhs. Rios didn't have his racquet up in backswing ... another fella with a decent :unsure: 2hbh.

Here is the rule with 2hbh ... for every inch we don't turn our back our shoulders ... arms have to make it up. As a fellow aging tennis warrior ... rotation doesn't come cheap. I found out I can adhoc pretty good with more arm with fh ... but I suck with two arms without really good shoulder turn. On some of your 2hbhs in this video you still rip a good 2hbh with a moderate turn. My compliments ... mine just throws in the towel. I can't remember how long that it took me to get that message that first summer ... but I think I smiled to myself the first time I accidentally took a maxish type turn.
Thanks it has not been easy trying to hit a 2 hander especially since I started as a 1 hander. I do feel I’ve improved some but I would like to hit the better ones with more pace more consistently.

You are correct about the shoulder turn it definitely helps to turn more, my coach told me the same thing about getting a good turn facing side fence when I can. But he also told me to practice some without as much turn because you have to hit them more open at times.
 

tlm

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It can be hard as we age to twist the trunk to generate power.

I'm always struck by how Madison Keys keeps her head so still and rotates her shoulders around her spine.

Yep she is very talented I love watching her crush those shots of hers. Yes not easy to get the trunk twisting for old guys, that’s probably why I arm it too much because I don’t use enough twist.
 

ByeByePoly

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Thanks it has not been easy trying to hit a 2 hander especially since I started as a 1 hander. I do feel I’ve improved some but I would like to hit the better ones with more pace more consistently.

You are correct about the shoulder turn it definitely helps to turn more, my coach told me the same thing about getting a good turn facing side fence when I can. But he also told me to practice some without as much turn because you have to hit them more open at times.
You can face the side fence with no unit turn, and hit an open with big unit turn.

Hips turned past feet, shoulders turned past hips. If your toes and nipples are both pointing perpendicular to sideline, no unit turn.

I will check back tomorrow. (y)
 

travlerajm

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You are not extending the left arm forward into the ball. That should be your primary power source, and you are not using it at all. You’re just sweeping the arms around.
 

tlm

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You are not extending the left arm forward into the ball. That should be your primary power source, and you are not using it at all. You’re just sweeping the arms around.
I am going to hit in the morning with the ball machine and will work on extending the left arm.
 
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